How about everytime you get scanned, a blip appears of who scanned you on your TacNet. The blip will vary depending on your EWAR stats and it will range from direction indicator (if your EWAR stats are lacking) to a dot (best ewar stats). This will give you an indication of where you have been scanned from and who scanned you.

Remove TEAM visualized scans. Make them only scannable for squad. This won't really mess with PCs and FW squads; definitely will help for pubs at least.

When was it so important - to so many of you - to avoid being seen?

well, in the past, scouts used to also use their high slots to buff range and precision of passives - which they share with squad - instead of a stack of myo's.

ewar doesn't need a fix. It's the only counter available when fighting an army of damped jumping beans.

When was it so important - to so many of you - to avoid being seen?

Oh, ya. When all of ya went to splashy, jumpy defenseless litte twitchy skitter-fits.

If you are spotted more than 20m out, you get melted by anyone with a gun game.

Perfect. Don't change a thing.

Scanners were never an issue when ttk was longer, and we fought from positions of cover. And flanked. And dropped links.

The way the maps are designed.

So ... Scout permascan was broken, but Logi permascan is fine. Because of myofibs.

Just so you know, dampened scouts usually dampen below 21dB permascan; fixing 21dB permascan won't have any effect whatsoever on countering them. The fact of the matter is that permascan -- in any form -- is bad for gameplay and bad for balance. We got rid of Scout permascan last year with good reason; the same reasoning absolutely applies to Logi permascan. To claim that one flavor permascan is overpowered while another is fine "because reasons" is a pretty obvious double standard, don't you think?

When was it so important - to so many of you - to avoid being seen?

Oh, ya. When all of ya went to splashy, jumpy defenseless litte twitchy skitter-fits.

If you are spotted more than 20m out, you get melted by anyone with a gun game.

Perfect. Don't change a thing.

Scanners were never an issue when ttk was longer, and we fought from positions of cover. And flanked. And dropped links.

The way the maps are designed.

In the wise words of all who defend the gal logi permascans. 'Git gud'.or you can just get a gallente scout at max level and a complex damp. Boom. Not scannable unless its a focused.

Dropping links, and flanking? What do you think the point of myofibs are? They are without a doubt the most essential mobility tool in the game for about 90% of the maps. They get the links where no one else can..

It's threads like this one that proves we need role tags.

Something tells me it's about 98% scouts agreeing with one another.

To sum up:
-scouts:waah,we can't be 100% stealthed godmode anymore...scanners should be nerfed!
-assaults:nah,you stay in your hole where you belong.
-logistics:i can't believe i'm about to say this but...i agree with the assaults.

Touch scanners,assaults get outclassed again.
/thread

Off on another scout witchhunt, eh? There's a shocker. Here are some facts:

Sub-21dB Scouts aren't magically held in check by 21dB active scans. They would not benefit at all from fixing 21dB permascan. Think about it. In what ways would fixing 21dB permascan affect sneaky, sub-21dB Scouts? The real winners here would be Assaults, who'll have the option to flank enemy positions without being painted to Team TacNet. Is that really so bad?

Shouldn't today's permascan be addressed for exactly the same reasons that scannerina-based permascan and Scout-based permascan were addressed? If permascan then was bad for gameplay and bad for balance, how is it that permascan now is not?

^ Every single one of my scouts Amarr, Cal, and Gal are 20db or below. This is a major buff to assaults and perhaps a slight buff to scouts. The Gal logi totally outclassed the Amarr scout which is the best Ewar scout, to maximise Ewar you need 2 precision and 2 damps and at least 1 kinkat I prefer 2 because it is the slowest scout in the game. The range of passive scans is 30 @ 18 db that's not even enough to scan the whole acid pit while the gal can hit the whole city. The amarr can get what the one guy running a scout instead of a shotty assault if he isn't damped enough.
30m range base HP scout vs 200m logi who has all his highs and lows available to him.

The scanner spam is increasingly more and more ridiculous. Ideas on how to balance it? Raise scanner Cpu/pg cost to limit the ability to run multiple scanners? Reduce scan radius? Scanners only logi equipable? Im not sure what the answer is......but something needs to be done. Hopefully~

I haven't been scanned at all the last 10 or so matches I've played.

Right now, one piece of equipment can force five slots worth of counter fitting per person... blah...

For me the annoying thing about active scanners is their range.

I would absolutely agree with the way scanners are working right now if their range was drastically reduced, to somewhere about 50 m for non-flux scanners. That way the scanner stops being an all-seeing eye and becomes a tool you use right before you assault an enemy position, or when you want to paint a specific target for your teammembers. At 50 meter range perma-scanning your environment is a much less desirable option because at any time somebody with a RR could just pick you off from a distance. On the other hand if you spotted a scout somewhere close you could still pull a focused scanner and aim it at where you last saw him to find out if he's still there.

50 meters for non-flux scanners is of course just a placeholder value. The important bit is that it's less than long-range rifle range and more than most passive scans. Could be 60 m just as well.

Another guy who has to have his whole game CQC, and invisible until he's within his short effective range.

OH, wait... there's a big alert that you've been scanned.

Might that not be an indicator to change your movement pattern?

How about you visually clear firing lanes before moving into open space - hmmm?

Have skills in any roles other than jumpy/spashy or ewar/shotty/knife? Try changing roles to adapt to your enemy.

Maybe that's where this desperation for scan nerfing comes from.

NO insight into the flow of battle or ability to adapt to it.

Another guy who has to have his whole game CQC, and invisible until he's within his short effective range.

OH, wait... there's a big alert that you've been scanned.

Might that not be an indicator to change your movement pattern?

How about you visually clear firing lanes before moving into open space - hmmm?

Have skills in any roles other than jumpy/spashy or ewar/shotty/knife? Try changing roles to adapt to your enemy.

Maybe that's where this desperation for scan nerfing comes from.

NO insight into the flow of battle or ability to adapt to it.

Two years ago, Scannerina Permascan: "Permascan is bad!"
One year ago, EWAR Scout Permascan: "Permascan is bad!"
This year, GalLogi Permascan: "Herp! Derp! Learn to adapt!"

The problem ,as I see it, isnt Gal logis or the abundance of them, Personally I only see them here and there. Its the abundance of scanners by all classes with no penalty whatsoever to fitting cost or restrictions at all.

If I wanted to fit a cloak on my assault I would have to sacrifice alot to fit it. Hence if anyone wants to cloak the obvious choice is a scout because of the fitting bonus.

The scanner should be the same way. Sure your assault or scout can run a scanner but you should sacrifice alot in PG/CPU to equip one.