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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:11:00 -
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if that is the case then explain to me why my gall assault running LR is still capable of downign an opposing amarr assault with my own lr.
the amarr can fire for longer yes and in theory/paper has more dps. but as far as single shots go and your own wepaon managment the bonus its's self isnt that great.
the lr is bordering on the ''almost'' OP line. kept balanced by its heat managment requirement. a hefty 125 hp feedback damage and the fact it has a ******* overheat time of 10 seconds.........
the scr finally got its needed nerf but is still a vialbe weapon. and like the LR can be run on other suits rather well.
how ever as per racial fitting and racial desgins it makes sence that a race's own wepaons work better on thier own suits. while this is true. personal skill/aim will top racial bonuses any day of the week.
to bring it into perspecitve.
non amarr assualt useng LR without manageing heat depletes clip from 100-40. in a single trigger hold. at max skills
amarr assault using LR without managing can deplete the LR from 100-25 at max skils. this is a huge diffrence
as far as the scr rifle goes its also like the lr. the amarr comes out on top but not by too much of a margin.
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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:29:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:
the scr finally got its needed nerf but is still a vialbe weapon. and like the LR can be run on other suits rather well.
You are just plain wrong.
Even on the Amarr assault it is weird and messed up.
Middle range where it is suppose to thrive is killed by the new kick.
Following up a charge shot with anything besides a base shot is instant overheat. The only counter to this is millions of SP to increase cool down and to max out a suit to get a bonus to almost make it viable.
Did it need a nerf? Sure.
Was it nerfed TOTALLY wrong leaving it useless to anyone that does not have a lot of experience with the weapon and millions of extra SP over what other weapons require to be viable? ABSO-FREAKING-LUTELY.
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Georgia Xavier
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:if that is the case then explain to me why my gall assault running LR is still capable of downign an opposing amarr assault with my own lr.
"But I was able to kill x with the y weapon" is never a viable argument because this varies from person to person. Saying you're able to do something does not mean others will be able to with equal success. If that were the case, We would see more laser rifles besides the Viktor's.
Racro 01 Artifisan wrote:the scr finally got its needed nerf but is still a vialbe weapon. and like the LR can be run on other suits rather well.
No, no it isn't, its viable only on the amarr assault and barely commando, the kick is negligible at short range but at medium and above,as intended, is a bit of a pain because of its minute zoom. You don't use any of these weapons at all do you?
Racro 01 Artifisan wrote:both laser wepaons have thier own damage multipliers for how close they are to overheating. the LR also has a second damage multipler which is how long the target it's self has been hit/pointed at by the beam.
My thoughts exactly. You're wrong on both, the scr doesn't have increasing damage and the LR's damage scales by time not heat so if you burst fire the LR you would be doing minimal damage and high heat levels.
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Ateroith wrote:I agree. My MLT Laser Rifle does absolutely nothing. I would gladly agree to those upgrades!
you suck with the laser rifle then
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i drop these all day with mlt lr
please do not buff my lr lol it will become boring
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Mortedeamor wrote:Ateroith wrote:I agree. My MLT Laser Rifle does absolutely nothing. I would gladly agree to those upgrades! you suck with the laser rifle then http://imgur.com/V7jNh0gi drop these all day with mlt lr please do not buff my lr lol it will become boring
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Posted - 2015.11.03 00:07:00 -
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That's funny... I didn't get any notifications for this.
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Posted - 2015.11.03 00:30:00 -
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Okay Forever, we need to collaborate on this, I'm currently working on Amarr Commando Balancing so I am going to pop this thread in here and see if we can work together. I honestly do not think we can not balance one without changing the other. Well we can but we should balance both at the same time.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=220063&find=unread
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Posted - 2015.11.03 00:32:00 -
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And on the AV laser rifle (or Breach Laser Rifle as I named it) I already made the exact stats for it in the thread.
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Posted - 2015.11.03 01:46:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:The Problem: ScR and LR can't be balanced properly due to how a huge factor the Amarr Assault bonus gives. Balance of these weapons always keeps in mind the Amarr Assault bonus not the weapon itself thus leading the weapon to only be effective on one suit and terrible on any other.
Solution:
Amarr Assault Bonus- 3% to Overheat and 2% to Cooldown
LR/ScR Operation Bonus- 2% to Overheat and 3% to Cooldown
Power disparity between Laser Weaponry on Non-Amarr Dropsuits and Amarr Assaults is lessen, Amarr Assault still remains as top choice. Laser Weaponry can now be balanced on the weapon not the suit. Laser Weaponry is now viable on all suits not just 1(2?) out of 20.
~Adjustments After Solution~
Laser Rifle:
- Increase Clip Size to 150 from 100
- Increase Range to 120m
- Add AV Variant
- LR Sound Increases with Firing Time
- ADS Sensitivity equal to Sensitivity in Settings
Scrambler Rifle:
- Increase Scope Zoom
- Increase Hipfire Dispersion
- Make Holding Charge cause Overheat
- Make AScR Overheat and Reduce Damage Slightly
i like your changes to amar assault and lr / scr skills i dislike your idea of buffing the lr directly so im undecided as whether to give u a like
personally i dont want an av laser rifle
i want a breach laser rifle
and i want an av amar scrambler lance
and infantry amar scrambler lance ....both heavy weapons
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Posted - 2015.11.03 03:19:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Forever ETC wrote:The Problem: ScR and LR can't be balanced properly due to how a huge factor the Amarr Assault bonus gives. Balance of these weapons always keeps in mind the Amarr Assault bonus not the weapon itself thus leading the weapon to only be effective on one suit and terrible on any other.
Solution:
Amarr Assault Bonus- 3% to Overheat and 2% to Cooldown
LR/ScR Operation Bonus- 2% to Overheat and 3% to Cooldown
Power disparity between Laser Weaponry on Non-Amarr Dropsuits and Amarr Assaults is lessen, Amarr Assault still remains as top choice. Laser Weaponry can now be balanced on the weapon not the suit. Laser Weaponry is now viable on all suits not just 1(2?) out of 20.
~Adjustments After Solution~
Laser Rifle:
- Increase Clip Size to 150 from 100
- Increase Range to 120m
- Add AV Variant
- LR Sound Increases with Firing Time
- ADS Sensitivity equal to Sensitivity in Settings
Scrambler Rifle:
- Increase Scope Zoom
- Increase Hipfire Dispersion
- Make Holding Charge cause Overheat
- Make AScR Overheat and Reduce Damage Slightly i like your changes to amar assault and lr / scr skills i dislike your idea of buffing the lr directly so im undecided as whether to give u a like personally i dont want an av laser rifle i want a breach laser rifle and i want an av amar scrambler lance and infantry amar scrambler lance ....both heavy weapons
None of those bonuses are guaranteed besides the Clip Size. Range doesn't really matter, the rest are for show.
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Okay Forever, we need to collaborate on this, I'm currently working on Amarr Commando Balancing so I am going to pop this thread in here and see if we can work together. I honestly do not think we can not balance one without changing the other. Well we can but we should balance both at the same time. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=220063&find=unread
Will have a look right quick.
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2015.11.03 11:51:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Forever ETC wrote:The Problem: ScR and LR can't be balanced properly due to how a huge factor the Amarr Assault bonus gives. Balance of these weapons always keeps in mind the Amarr Assault bonus not the weapon itself thus leading the weapon to only be effective on one suit and terrible on any other.
Solution:
Amarr Assault Bonus- 3% to Overheat and 2% to Cooldown
LR/ScR Operation Bonus- 2% to Overheat and 3% to Cooldown
Power disparity between Laser Weaponry on Non-Amarr Dropsuits and Amarr Assaults is lessen, Amarr Assault still remains as top choice. Laser Weaponry can now be balanced on the weapon not the suit. Laser Weaponry is now viable on all suits not just 1(2?) out of 20.
~Adjustments After Solution~
Laser Rifle:
- Increase Clip Size to 150 from 100
- Increase Range to 120m
- Add AV Variant
- LR Sound Increases with Firing Time
- ADS Sensitivity equal to Sensitivity in Settings
Scrambler Rifle:
- Increase Scope Zoom
- Increase Hipfire Dispersion
- Make Holding Charge cause Overheat
- Make AScR Overheat and Reduce Damage Slightly i like your changes to amar assault and lr / scr skills i dislike your idea of buffing the lr directly so im undecided as whether to give u a like personally i dont want an av laser rifle i want a breach laser rifle and i want an av amar scrambler lance and infantry amar scrambler lance ....both heavy weapons None of those bonuses are guaranteed besides the Clip Size. Range doesn't really matter, the rest are for show.
range matters clip is irrelevant and completely unneeded i see no reason for either of those buffs is all i do see a reason to reword amar weapons bonuses and assault bonuses to make them slightly better on other suits and lower the difference between on an amar assault and not
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Posted - 2015.11.03 15:18:00 -
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Only OP laser rifle is clearly the viktors, which while its supposed to OP as an officer wep, is still over the line IMO, having a proto armarr and viziam with damage mods, i can say its good but i don't think its better than combat rifles or rail rifles, but it competes with them pretty well. Especially with how armor stacked armarr suits are easily killable with low speed. Fast min assaults with CR's are the best suit/wep combos imo because of contstant blue shielding hit detection at close range but I digress.
My only thoughts on the laser debate is that people in dust were never used to being killed, and other weapons need to be buffed so people in protos or heavy suits can get used to being killed, Its not a god given right to not die in a video game, and I shouldn't be going 15/0 every game i pull out a proto CR/LR/RR/HMG against a team without a squad, before theyre redlined. If a new player comes in and has 400hp and has 400dps against a vet with 1700 hp and 700 dps somethings wrong.
Your post is making me facepalm. ò.ó
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Posted - 2015.11.06 00:45:00 -
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Bump
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Posted - 2015.11.06 06:01:00 -
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This guy wants ammar assault to be nerfed to the ground and better yet ccp us nerfing the scr so what would be the point to use ammar assault with the scr.either way I don't use ammar assault with scr I use it with kalakiota rr because people like this guy want the scr to be dead
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sizwe sizzle wrote:This guy wants ammar assault to be nerfed to the ground and better yet ccp us nerfing the scr so what would be the point to use ammar assault with the scr.either way I don't use ammar assault with scr I use it with kalakiota rr because people like this guy want the scr to be dead
Did you even read anything in this thread? I have already answered this statement... I'll say it again, the Amarr Assault would technically stay the same, but other suits can now access Laser Weaponry.
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Posted - 2015.11.08 14:51:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:sizwe sizzle wrote:This guy wants ammar assault to be nerfed to the ground and better yet ccp us nerfing the scr so what would be the point to use ammar assault with the scr.either way I don't use ammar assault with scr I use it with kalakiota rr because people like this guy want the scr to be dead Did you even read anything in this thread? I have already answered this statement... I'll say it again, the Amarr Assault would technically stay the same, but other suits can now access Laser Weaponry.
amarr assault gets gets 3% heat reduction, 2% cooldown.
But the operation 2% heat reduction, 3% cooldown
my preferred fix ...
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Mortedeamor wrote:Forever ETC wrote:sizwe sizzle wrote:This guy wants ammar assault to be nerfed to the ground and better yet ccp us nerfing the scr so what would be the point to use ammar assault with the scr.either way I don't use ammar assault with scr I use it with kalakiota rr because people like this guy want the scr to be dead Did you even read anything in this thread? I have already answered this statement... I'll say it again, the Amarr Assault would technically stay the same, but other suits can now access Laser Weaponry. amarr assault gets gets 3% heat reduction, 2% cooldown. But the operation 2% heat reduction, 3% cooldown my preferred fix ...
Thank You! That is exactly what I'm pushing for. I don't play anymore, so if anything can get changed, I want that to at least get through.
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Posted - 2015.11.08 18:58:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Forever ETC wrote:sizwe sizzle wrote:This guy wants ammar assault to be nerfed to the ground and better yet ccp us nerfing the scr so what would be the point to use ammar assault with the scr.either way I don't use ammar assault with scr I use it with kalakiota rr because people like this guy want the scr to be dead Did you even read anything in this thread? I have already answered this statement... I'll say it again, the Amarr Assault would technically stay the same, but other suits can now access Laser Weaponry. amarr assault gets gets 3% heat reduction, 2% cooldown. But the operation 2% heat reduction, 3% cooldown my preferred fix ... Thank You! That is exactly what I'm pushing for. I don't play anymore, so if anything can get changed, I want that to at least get through.
it is a perfect fix skilled up lrs on non amar assaults will overheat around 70 and on amar assault nothing will change
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Posted - 2015.11.21 03:38:00 -
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Just a thought but why not give all weapons heat build up? if all suits had a benefit to all weapons that fit the races ideals that might be better. Just food for thought.
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tritan abbattere wrote:Just a thought but why not give all weapons heat build up? if all suits had a benefit to all weapons that fit the races ideals that might be better. Just food for thought.
That would just create another months work of balancing and adding the mechanics... From what I remember, Legion would add different effects to the weapons(heat, jamming etc) based on the planets environment.
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Forever ETC wrote:tritan abbattere wrote:Just a thought but why not give all weapons heat build up? if all suits had a benefit to all weapons that fit the races ideals that might be better. Just food for thought. That would just create another months work of balancing and adding the mechanics... From what I remember, Legion would add different effects to the weapons(heat, jamming etc) based on the planets environment.
It is true that it would take a while to balance it out but it would give them more room to balance stuff. Its another tool to help them out. Why I Wanted to point it out.
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First of all Bump.
Now lets talk about the topic. Damn I love the changes to LR, the sound increases as more you fire it? Awesome! Hell I say give the beam spirals around it when close to overheating! Yes LR as AV is something cool and that way no reason to add new laser AV weapons. So +1 to all of the above.
Now the Scr and Ascr. I loved the bonuses on the gun's passives this will encourage its use on all the other suits but ofc it will remain superior on the amarr assault. This is absolutely fair since this is the case with other rifles as well. I'm against the Scr scope zoom as this will only give those qqers another reason to start spamming threads. My personal thoughts on overheating mechanic:
Firstly, FIX THE DAM OVERHEATING CCP.
I like the idea of the bar increasing when you hold the charge for too long. How about making it 3 secs? Like if you hold the charge for 3 secs or more the bar will start to rise. Also another 3 secs until you can charge without heating the gun.
I'm fine with the Ascr overheating, but at the cost of reducing the muzzle jump during scope fire.
Give Scr the place that it really deserves, because at this point it is highly inferior.
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Raven-747 wrote:First of all Bump.
Now lets talk about the topic. Damn I love the changes to LR, the sound increases as more you fire it? Awesome! Hell I say give the beam spirals around it when close to overheating! Yes LR as AV is something cool and that way no reason to add new laser AV weapons. So +1 to all of the above.
Now the Scr and Ascr. I loved the bonuses on the gun's passives this will encourage its use on all the other suits but ofc it will remain superior on the amarr assault. This is absolutely fair since this is the case with other rifles as well. I'm against the Scr scope zoom as this will only give those qqers another reason to start spamming threads. My personal thoughts on overheating mechanic:
Firstly, FIX THE DAM OVERHEATING CCP.
I like the idea of the bar increasing when you hold the charge for too long. How about making it 3 secs? Like if you hold the charge for 3 secs or more the bar will start to rise. Also another 3 secs until you can charge without heating the gun.
I'm fine with the Ascr overheating, but at the cost of reducing the muzzle jump during scope fire.
Give Scr the place that it really deserves, because at this point it is highly inferior.
Thanks for the support!
I agree with the time frame you presented for holding the charge. Now concerning the ScR scope it is quite in a poor state especially now with the added 4x kick. It is meant to be a mid to long range fighter but with such a high kick, poor zoom, and basic mechanics(spam to kil), something needs to be done to get it at range and out of the front lines. I would personally just make it a bit less(25%) to what the Darths has. For the AScR muzzle flash/jump, I believe it is all just visual, you are firing pretty accurate but you just are not seeing it... Yes, it is annoying and I believe should be toned down considerably to stop adjusting so much.
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