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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.10.01 05:15:00 -
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The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
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Victor Moody Stahl
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
266
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Posted - 2015.10.01 05:31:00 -
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Just throwing out that I had a similar experience today- I pub solo, and am of average skill... and am being repeatedly thrown into matches with multiple squads of high-end corps. It sucks, it isn't fun, and it needs to be fixed.
Metalocking matches is something that I think would help a lot, but I also think that the mu ranking needs to be looked at, because today alone I had a string of matches where I was thrown against what seemed to be q-synced squads from one or more PC-level corps, and on my team was mostly randumb blueberries and a few newbs.
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Vesta Opalus
Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance
1
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Posted - 2015.10.01 05:32:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Better question is why you dont just counter snipe him. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
1
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Posted - 2015.10.01 05:48:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Pubs should have never had squads. It's what allowed pub stomping in the first place. Several organized groups vs randomly matched people is a win button for the squads. Personally I think it's why this game never got popular. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
963
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Posted - 2015.10.01 05:55:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Better question is why you dont just counter snipe him.
Are you ******* serious?
Thanks for the advice. Hopefully next time I will remember common sense counter tactics. |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2015.10.01 05:58:00 -
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Well, either you got moved up MU (which is good for you) or they are up to the usual "find a low MU player and squad with them" BS I see them pull every day. THIRD ROCK have become the gold standard for scrubbery of late with that. Followed closely by Groupo, Ecce, AE, and Iberica. Seems to be the only way they can maintain high K/Ds. Having to play in the High MU bracket has a normalizing effect over time. No matter how good you are, most are just as good especially if squaded up in that bracket. Which is why there are 10x more leaves in the high MU than low MU. So they go stomp starter fits to make them feel better about small epeens. Make a friend who just came out of academy and watch his games if you want to watch it happen. I have for the last two weeks, and they are there as 3/4 of a squad every day. Every game I watch him play is frustrating as hell for him, and for me to watch. Him in standard or free fits, them in proto MK0s/AK0s/CK0s.... they go 32/2 etc. He goes 2/11. How long do you think he will want to play at that rate?
They are doing more to kill the game than all the lag and imbalance issues combined. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
963
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Posted - 2015.10.01 06:01:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Pubs should have never had squads. It's what allowed pub stomping in the first place. Several organized groups vs randomly matched people is a win button for the squads. Personally I think it's why this game never got popular.
I agree. |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2015.10.01 06:03:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Better question is why you dont just counter snipe him.
Dude you do realize that not everyone has SPs in Sniper rifle right.... Try counter sniping without SP in it and tell me how that turns out for you. Even if you hit a proto commando with a head shot he will walk away from your milita fit sniper rifle even with 3 complex mods on it. Love it when Captain Obvious shows up. You think NO ONE tries to counter snipe.......
Every thread has the guy that states the obvious counter...forgetting that most players don't have all the option especially the ones in the lower MU bracket. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
1
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Posted - 2015.10.01 06:53:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Better question is why you dont just counter snipe him. Are you ******* serious? Thanks for the advice. Hopefully next time I will remember common sense counter tactics.
Off topic but.
Got a single counter sniper fit ( with a Thales cause extra sp is not a problem ). Two Corp squads vs randoms so figure I'll spoil there fun... 5-6 kills later I suddenly freeze a few seconds later I get sniped ( told by my wife who was playing with me ) wtf?
First time in a long time I felt like a dev was messing with me. Except for when I got a 1v1 round... tho I still won that even if he ran officer/pro gear.
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
24
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Posted - 2015.10.01 11:13:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Well, either you got moved up MU (which is good for you) or they are up to the usual "find a low MU player and squad with them" BS I see them pull every day. THIRD ROCK have become the gold standard for scrubbery of late with that. Followed closely by Groupo, Ecce, AE, and Iberica. Seems to be the only way they can maintain high K/Ds. Having to play in the High MU bracket has a normalizing effect over time. No matter how good you are, most are just as good especially if squaded up in that bracket. Which is why there are 10x more leaves in the high MU than low MU. So they go stomp starter fits to make them feel better about small epeens. Make a friend who just came out of academy and watch his games if you want to watch it happen. I have for the last two weeks, and they are there as 3/4 of a squad every day. Every game I watch him play is frustrating as hell for him, and for me to watch. Him in standard or free fits, them in proto MK0s/AK0s/CK0s.... they go 32/2 etc. He goes 2/11. How long do you think he will want to play at that rate?
They are doing more to kill the game than all the lag and imbalance issues combined. I knew there was something fishy about this. Time after time, I see AK0, MK0, CK0 fits in pubs. I basicly don't care to play pubs anymore. I'm still a noob to my mind, and knowing how CCP works skills (I'm an EvE player), I will fundamentally be a noob for years yet. Years of playing against this crowd in pubs? I think not. Whenever I see them doing that, I switch to FW instead. Believe it or not, much better matches. |
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Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion.
831
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Posted - 2015.10.01 11:18:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
1st Saxon isn't that good soloing why do you think he is ALWAYS in a squad running tanks or snipers. 2nd dozer is a scrub solo why do you think he is ALWAYS in a squad.
This game needs a mode just for solo players to fight each other not these no skill squad scrubs. |
Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion.
831
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Posted - 2015.10.01 11:22:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Better question is why you dont just counter snipe him. First he had a thale which has the longest range (and knowing Saxon) it was either on a sentinel or a calmando so if he tried to countersipe Saxon would go even further into the RL or just quit sniping all together. You have no point made whatsoever
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golpe 4
Eternal Beings RUST415
79
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Posted - 2015.10.01 11:24:00 -
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This is pathetic I love fighting people above me it helps me improve I don't wanna be stuck fighting people on my level cause that's no fun it won't give me a real challenge
im just a scrub here, to u know, do things helpful like ummm commenting,complaining,and giving terrible advice thats it
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.01 12:49:00 -
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You must not be reading the theme of this thread , why keep placing organized squads against random players .?. and I've said this myself many a times .
Where are the CPM's on this ?
Where is the push to actually create a matchmaking system or just to balance teams in matches in general ?
People have been saying the same thing for sometime now but this get's zero attention and interest .
If people are complaining then obviously it has some kind of negative effect so why not fix this ?
Common sense , it's not like these people have no footing to stand on and are complaining just to do so , why can't the system set up matches so that if there are squads on a team , that there is another on the other .?. , sometimes I get matches where I'm clearly on the random team and were pitted against two squads that are on the same team .
How is this balanced ?
Where is the concern from any besides whom this effects ?
Why wouldn't the players who are playing in squads , want better unless they just enjoy stomping ?
But most of these same claim to be so good .
This is a joke that's not even funny and this broken system needs attention .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Alena Asakura
Caldari Logistics Reserve
24
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Posted - 2015.10.01 13:01:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:You must not be reading the theme of this thread , why keep placing organized squads against random players .?. and I've said this myself many a times .
Where are the CPM's on this ?
Where is the push to actually create a matchmaking system or just to balance teams in matches in general ?
People have been saying the same thing for sometime now but this get's zero attention and interest .
If people are complaining then obviously it has some kind of negative effect so why not fix this ?
Common sense , it's not like these people have no footing to stand on and are complaining just to do so , why can't the system set up matches so that if there are squads on a team , that there is another on the other .?. , sometimes I get matches where I'm clearly on the random team and were pitted against two squads that are on the same team .
How is this balanced ?
Where is the concern from any besides whom this effects ?
Why wouldn't the players who are playing in squads , want better unless they just enjoy stomping ?
But most of these same claim to be so good .
This is a joke that's not even funny and this broken system needs attention . CCP is highly susceptible to pressure from special interest groups of players. If they aren't fixing something, it's because it suits someone who has influence with CCP. Same thing happens in EvE.
The only way to build a game is to build it completely without the influence of the player base, make it as good a game as you can without nerffing, buffing or otherwise sullying it to benefit whoever has the greatest influence with the developers, ignoring the complaints on the basis that it's already a good game, and any changes that come from those complaints are not likely to improve it. |
Cesar Geronimo
DUST University Ivy League
107
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Posted - 2015.10.01 14:16:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Better question is why you dont just counter snipe him. First he had a thale which has the longest range (and knowing Saxon) it was either on a sentinel or a calmando so if he tried to countersipe Saxon would go even further into the RL or just quit sniping all together. You have no point made whatsoever
Thales on a Sentinel?? That is the single scrubbiest tactic I've ever heard of in this game...
I'm absolutely terribad at this game, and even I wouldn't descend to that level of desperation...Someone drop an orbital on his stupid head... |
Mr.Pepe Le Pew
Art.of.Death
279
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Posted - 2015.10.01 14:27:00 -
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[/quote] CCP is highly susceptible to pressure from special interest groups of players. If they aren't fixing something, it's because it suits someone who has influence with CCP. Same thing happens in EvE.
The only way to build a game is to build it completely without the influence of the player base, make it as good a game as you can without nerffing, buffing or otherwise sullying it to benefit whoever has the greatest influence with the developers, ignoring the complaints on the basis that it's already a good game, and any changes that come from those complaints are not likely to improve it.[/quote]
Epic.
CEO / Art.of.Death
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Mr.Pepe Le Pew
Art.of.Death
279
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Posted - 2015.10.01 14:28:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:You must not be reading the theme of this thread , why keep placing organized squads against random players .?. and I've said this myself many a times .
Where are the CPM's on this ?
Where is the push to actually create a matchmaking system or just to balance teams in matches in general ?
People have been saying the same thing for sometime now but this get's zero attention and interest .
If people are complaining then obviously it has some kind of negative effect so why not fix this ?
Common sense , it's not like these people have no footing to stand on and are complaining just to do so , why can't the system set up matches so that if there are squads on a team , that there is another on the other .?. , sometimes I get matches where I'm clearly on the random team and were pitted against two squads that are on the same team .
How is this balanced ?
Where is the concern from any besides whom this effects ?
Why wouldn't the players who are playing in squads , want better unless they just enjoy stomping ?
But most of these same claim to be so good .
This is a joke that's not even funny and this broken system needs attention . CCP is highly susceptible to pressure from special interest groups of players. If they aren't fixing something, it's because it suits someone who has influence with CCP. Same thing happens in EvE. The only way to build a game is to build it completely without the influence of the player base, make it as good a game as you can without nerffing, buffing or otherwise sullying it to benefit whoever has the greatest influence with the developers, ignoring the complaints on the basis that it's already a good game, and any changes that come from those complaints are not likely to improve it.
Epic
CEO / Art.of.Death
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Devron ButtAche
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
2
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Posted - 2015.10.01 14:56:00 -
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no squads? yeah lets get rid of the team part of a team game, if you want to get better at the game run in a squad, even a squad of randoms will do better than a bunch of randoms just matched together, as long as you work together you will all do better, this is not CoD, you kind of need a squad, if you have run proto you will know that the advantage it gives you is small at best, the reason the players from the bigger corps do so well is because we work as a team |
Vesta Opalus
Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance
1
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Posted - 2015.10.01 15:36:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Better question is why you dont just counter snipe him. First he had a thale which has the longest range (and knowing Saxon) it was either on a sentinel or a calmando so if he tried to countersipe Saxon would go even further into the RL or just quit sniping all together. You have no point made whatsoever
Use a forge gun, or a militia rail tank, or dropship a heavy or shotgun fit onto his head? Even if you snipe at him with a militia rifle and he moves back into the RL farther or quits sniping, mission accomplished. He's now farther back in the redline, so your team is in less danger, or hes stopped completely, and so is no longer sniping.
The point is nobody should ever be complaining about snipers. They are straight up the easiest thing in this game to counter. |
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
990
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Posted - 2015.10.01 15:44:00 -
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Devron ButtAche wrote:no squads? yeah lets get rid of the team part of a team game, if you want to get better at the game run in a squad, even a squad of randoms will do better than a bunch of randoms just matched together, as long as you work together you will all do better, this is not CoD, you kind of need a squad, if you have run proto you will know that the advantage it gives you is small at best, the reason the players from the bigger corps do so well is because we work as a team
Removing squads does not get rid of the team aspect in Public Contracts. No one is pushing for a Free-For-All gamemode.
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
990
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Posted - 2015.10.01 15:45:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Better question is why you dont just counter snipe him. First he had a thale which has the longest range (and knowing Saxon) it was either on a sentinel or a calmando so if he tried to countersipe Saxon would go even further into the RL or just quit sniping all together. You have no point made whatsoever Use a forge gun, or a militia rail tank, or dropship a heavy or shotgun fit onto his head? Even if you snipe at him with a militia rifle and he moves back into the RL farther or quits sniping, mission accomplished. He's now farther back in the redline, so your team is in less danger, or hes stopped completely, and so is no longer sniping. The point is nobody should ever be complaining about snipers. They are straight up the easiest thing in this game to counter.
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
363
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Posted - 2015.10.01 16:00:00 -
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Is anyone else tickled on the inside when you are on a team of blueberries who are sniping from the redline (kind of crouched in a horizontal line) and some redberry on the opposing team picks them all off one by one down the line?
I know it was kind of off topic, but dislike snipers that much (especially useless ones) that I am touched when I see it happen.
And back on topic: I think a useful solution to pubs would be for CCP to add a new contract for solo players.
SOLO CONTRACTS
- Solo players randomly get placed in teams of 16
- The game mode is random and cannot be selected (so that it doesn't take forever to matchmake and also doesn't lag the community out more with overload of content)
- This mode is the only mode where people have a chance of getting put in Ambush
- Add in the actual Orbital Strike component in our Warbarge that allowed us to purchase them since not many people running solo will be able to get 3.2/4k wp to drop an orbital.
- OR.....Give us single precision orbital strikes for 400wp a piece (precision strike amount negotiable)
- Also turn Friendly Fire on in this contract.
PUBLIC CONTRACTS
- Get rid of Domination (yes I said it) and just increase the amount of points needed to win Acquisition but make the objective move around more (to fully utilize all the panels on the map)
- DO NOT allow solo players into matches (it will get rid of any complaining AND utilize the whole reason for reducing squad sizes to 4 players)
- Remove Ambush from Public Contracts
FW and PC stay as they are.
Just a helpful thought for CPM/CCP
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
990
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Posted - 2015.10.01 16:10:00 -
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Alcina Nektaria wrote:Is anyone else tickled on the inside when you are on a team of blueberries who are sniping from the redline (kind of crouched in a horizontal line) and some redberry on the opposing team picks them all off one by one down the line? I know it was kind of off topic, but dislike snipers that much (especially useless ones) that I am touched when I see it happen. And back on topic: I think a useful solution to pubs would be for CCP to add a new contract for solo players. SOLO CONTRACTS
- Solo players randomly get placed in teams of 16
- The game mode is random and cannot be selected (so that it doesn't take forever to matchmake and also doesn't lag the community out more with overload of content)
- This mode is the only mode where people have a chance of getting put in Ambush
- Add in the actual Orbital Strike component in our Warbarge that allowed us to purchase them since not many people running solo will be able to get 3.2/4k wp to drop an orbital.
- OR.....Give us single precision orbital strikes for 400wp a piece (precision strike amount negotiable)
- Also turn Friendly Fire on in this contract.
PUBLIC CONTRACTS
- Get rid of Domination (yes I said it) and just increase the amount of points needed to win Acquisition but make the objective move around more (to fully utilize all the panels on the map)
- DO NOT allow solo players into matches (it will get rid of any complaining AND utilize the whole reason for reducing squad sizes to 4 players)
- Remove Ambush from Public Contracts
FW and PC stay as they are.Just a helpful thought for CPM/CCP
I like everything except for the friendly-fire part for Solo Contracts. |
TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet RUST415
440
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Posted - 2015.10.01 16:24:00 -
[25] - Quote
Alcina Nektaria wrote:Is anyone else tickled on the inside when you are on a team of blueberries who are sniping from the redline (kind of crouched in a horizontal line) and some redberry on the opposing team picks them all off one by one down the line? I know it was kind of off topic, but dislike snipers that much (especially useless ones) that I am touched when I see it happen. And back on topic: I think a useful solution to pubs would be for CCP to add a new contract for solo players. SOLO CONTRACTS
- Solo players randomly get placed in teams of 16
- The game mode is random and cannot be selected (so that it doesn't take forever to matchmake and also doesn't lag the community out more with overload of content)
- This mode is the only mode where people have a chance of getting put in Ambush
- Add in the actual Orbital Strike component in our Warbarge that allowed us to purchase them since not many people running solo will be able to get 3.2/4k wp to drop an orbital.
- OR.....Give us single precision orbital strikes for 400wp a piece (precision strike amount negotiable)
- Also turn Friendly Fire on in this contract.
PUBLIC CONTRACTS
- Get rid of Domination (yes I said it) and just increase the amount of points needed to win Acquisition but make the objective move around more (to fully utilize all the panels on the map)
- DO NOT allow solo players into matches (it will get rid of any complaining AND utilize the whole reason for reducing squad sizes to 4 players)
- Remove Ambush from Public Contracts
FW and PC stay as they are.Just a helpful thought for CPM/CCP Domination stays. You silly acquisition people. |
Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
184
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Posted - 2015.10.01 16:37:00 -
[26] - Quote
Domination should be removed because the player base is too cowardly to actually play it. Both teams load in looking to fortress up and kill, as soon as they see they will have to risk suits to win, they quit.
Save the rest of us from these scrubs, remove the mode.
Bad map design in Dom created this, and the only way to change that is to remove the mode.
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
363
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Posted - 2015.10.01 17:09:00 -
[27] - Quote
Summa Militum wrote:I like everything except for the friendly-fire part for Solo Contracts.
But if I want to run solo, I want to be able to let a stupid blue know when they are being stupid.....
TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Domination stays. You silly acquisition people.
I am by no means a silly Acquisition person, in fact I love Domination. However, the game modes are too similar to keep both and having both PLUS a solo game mode will only make matchmaking that more frustrating. The SAME thing can be accomplished in Acquisition as Domination because I will reiterate; They are too SIMILAR.
KEQ and ROFL. Diplomat.
D4GG3R is my mom.
Only REAL pancakes wear dresses.GÖÑ
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC
956
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Posted - 2015.10.01 17:18:00 -
[28] - Quote
The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage.
Wanna play eve?
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
363
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Posted - 2015.10.01 17:28:00 -
[29] - Quote
Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. I, myself, squad up with corpmates all the time. There's no use for us or CCP to continue to ignore the needs of solo players any longer though. Some people just plain ol' don't like to squad up and they shouldn't be forced to just to run some matches that aren't one sided.
There's a super easy solution to the problem that can keep things separate but also cater to the needs of both solo players and team players. Imagine how much easier it will be to get into matches if you have full squads of 4 queuing into matches as opposed to Scotty trying to fit people in because he ****** up by putting a couple solo players into a queue with a bunch of squads. PLUS we get to stop hearing the solo players (no offense guys your grievances are rightly expressed) complaining on the forums about uneven matches or even about squads of people complaining that they couldn't win because their blues sucked.
Aside from catering to squadders and soloers, it also gives a feasible mode for new players who got bumped up.
It solves far too many problems to even pass it over.
KEQ and ROFL. Diplomat.
D4GG3R is my mom.
Only REAL pancakes wear dresses.GÖÑ
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
258
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Posted - 2015.10.01 17:37:00 -
[30] - Quote
golpe 4 wrote:This is pathetic I love fighting people above me it helps me improve I don't wanna be stuck fighting people on my level cause that's no fun it won't give me a real challenge
Going to explain this really slowly so you understand the concept.... There are only two MU brackets in the game so there is really no "your" level. Second this is not real life and there is no skill set to develop by playing against "better" players as you say. There are only a few variables to manipulate in the game and you can learn them in about a week. The biggest difference is SP, gear, and solo v not solo. You can't learn those as a skill set. So, there is no getting better by playing specific opponents. Its a game with really simple mechanics, but major effects placed on it by outside factors like those mentioned above. So, if you want that experience of being sniped from the redline or squad stomped while solo by all means enjoy. All you learn is that a certain number of players in this game will go to no end to ensure that you don't have any fun while promoting their own fun exclusively. Its a game and if everyone is not having fun then people leave, like they have over the past year.
Don't think of this as real life. There is nothing useful to real life to be learned here. If you have a desire to "get better" focus it on something that matters not a video game gasping for its last breath. |
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
258
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Posted - 2015.10.01 17:49:00 -
[31] - Quote
Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage.
You realize most players run solo right? Squads are the minority not the majority. New players especially are solo players. The low MU bracket is overwhelmingly solo. That is why squading is so powerful. Its almost always 4 guns to 1. So simply telling people to squad is not the answer. Even if they do 4 random guys who wander around separately are just four solo players with stripes over their heads.
As for metalocks that would be a great to see. We have the basics of them in place, so just enforce them. Squads will still be good and SP gaps will provide an advantage, but 32/2 games are a lot harder to achieve in starter fits than officer gear. Plus if the payouts scale accordingly it may dissuade some from playing down. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
990
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Posted - 2015.10.01 17:49:00 -
[32] - Quote
Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage.
A lot of people do not have time to devote to running in a squad. A lot of people also don't like a squad determining what gamemode they are going to play, when they are going to play it, and what strategies to use during the match.
Some of us also don't like the fact that the majority of squads act in the interest of their squad instead of acting in the interest of their team.
I ******* hate squads in this game because for some idiotic reason people in this game think that simply being in a squad makes you a team player more so than the actions you take in the match itself.
Now I am all for a metalock with the matches.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:04:00 -
[33] - Quote
Mr.Pepe Le Pew wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:You must not be reading the theme of this thread , why keep placing organized squads against random players .?. and I've said this myself many a times .
Where are the CPM's on this ?
Where is the push to actually create a matchmaking system or just to balance teams in matches in general ?
People have been saying the same thing for sometime now but this get's zero attention and interest .
If people are complaining then obviously it has some kind of negative effect so why not fix this ?
Common sense , it's not like these people have no footing to stand on and are complaining just to do so , why can't the system set up matches so that if there are squads on a team , that there is another on the other .?. , sometimes I get matches where I'm clearly on the random team and were pitted against two squads that are on the same team .
How is this balanced ?
Where is the concern from any besides whom this effects ?
Why wouldn't the players who are playing in squads , want better unless they just enjoy stomping ?
But most of these same claim to be so good .
This is a joke that's not even funny and this broken system needs attention . CCP is highly susceptible to pressure from special interest groups of players. If they aren't fixing something, it's because it suits someone who has influence with CCP. Same thing happens in EvE. The only way to build a game is to build it completely without the influence of the player base, make it as good a game as you can without nerffing, buffing or otherwise sullying it to benefit whoever has the greatest influence with the developers, ignoring the complaints on the basis that it's already a good game, and any changes that come from those complaints are not likely to improve it. Epic IKR
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:21:00 -
[34] - Quote
Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ?
That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic .
You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in .
You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with .
Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team .
What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with .?. while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati .
It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:38:00 -
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To me all they have to do is make sure there is a squad , if any .. on each team .
If they could create that setting it's a little more balanced .
No more two squads against random players .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC
956
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:39:00 -
[36] - Quote
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ? That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic . You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in . You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with . Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team . What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with , while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati . It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty . I never said have random people squad up, I said squad up with people you like playing with. That is a very distinct difference. Also if random solo players don't want to play as a team and just want to run around like headless chickens doing their own thing that is there choice, but you can't whine and moan it's unfair if you choose not to even try.
I'm not defending the matchmaking cos it is atrocious, I'm defending getting rid of squads cos people don't want to squad up. If pub squads were to disappear, everyone would just go and play fac war.
Meta lock pubs so proto gear can't be used and things suddenly become a lot more even.
Wanna play eve?
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Daemonn Adima
Y.A.M.A.H No Context
222
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:40:00 -
[37] - Quote
Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Brother, I feel your pain. At the start if games I'll run my most expensive suit, almost adv. level gear in all slots (no proto yet). Its the kit that I get the most WP with lately so I'll try not to die at all. I can square off against most people, retreating if out ranged and stomping if they are within.
Then I'll go up against a player where I get the drop, unload half a clip before they bunny hop away and put me down in less than 2 seconds of fire. They end up with half hp even after me getting the drop. This happens so often, I can instantly call proto and sure enough proto suit and weapon.
And for some reason THIRDROCK has been doing this often lately. SKILL OF GOD is another I've noticed almost every day a few players proto stomping. My highest MU is 34, and it's an APEX that was gifted to me. Of my real suits, it's a 31.
What are the MU of some proto fitted players? I'm curious of the difference.
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Worthless Target
Extra Padding
35
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:50:00 -
[38] - Quote
Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Match making is working as intended, you're just looking at it the wrong way.
Embrace the stomp
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Doombabies Bulletsponge
Slutty Girls Inc.
1
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Posted - 2015.10.01 19:47:00 -
[39] - Quote
I'm not the one to ask, but MU might just be broken, or CCP thinks I'm a god |
Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion.
831
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Posted - 2015.10.01 20:53:00 -
[40] - Quote
Echo 1991 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ? That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic . You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in . You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with . Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team . What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with , while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati . It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty . I never said have random people squad up, I said squad up with people you like playing with. That is a very distinct difference. Also if random solo players don't want to play as a team and just want to run around like headless chickens doing their own thing that is there choice, but you can't whine and moan it's unfair if you choose not to even try. I'm not defending the matchmaking cos it is atrocious, I'm defending getting rid of squads cos people don't want to squad up. If pub squads were to disappear, everyone would just go and play fac war. Meta lock pubs so proto gear can't be used and things suddenly become a lot more even. meta lock doesn't solve passive skills and experience playing the game it'll just have people stomp in adv gear. Removing squads from pubs or making the q put squads against squads is the only fix for pubs other than that stomps will still happen.
To FW statement: they already squad stomp FW so what would change? Getting more balanced FW battles perhaps. |
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Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion.
831
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Posted - 2015.10.01 20:57:00 -
[41] - Quote
Daemonn Adima wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Brother, I feel your pain. At the start if games I'll run my most expensive suit, almost adv. level gear in all slots (no proto yet). Its the kit that I get the most WP with lately so I'll try not to die at all. I can square off against most people, retreating if out ranged and stomping if they are within. Then I'll go up against a player where I get the drop, unload half a clip before they bunny hop away and put me down in less than 2 seconds of fire. They end up with half hp even after me getting the drop. This happens so often, I can instantly call proto and sure enough proto suit and weapon. And for some reason THIRDROCK has been doing this often lately. SKILL OF GOD is another I've noticed almost every day a few players proto stomping. My highest MU is 34, and it's an APEX that was gifted to me. Of my real suits, it's a 31. What are the MU of some proto fitted players? I'm curious of the difference. You mean meta level not MU. My full decked out MK.0 has a meta level of 64 I think the highest is 70 (just a guess) |
Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC
956
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Posted - 2015.10.01 21:03:00 -
[42] - Quote
Death Shadow117 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ? That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic . You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in . You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with . Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team . What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with , while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati . It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty . I never said have random people squad up, I said squad up with people you like playing with. That is a very distinct difference. Also if random solo players don't want to play as a team and just want to run around like headless chickens doing their own thing that is there choice, but you can't whine and moan it's unfair if you choose not to even try. I'm not defending the matchmaking cos it is atrocious, I'm defending getting rid of squads cos people don't want to squad up. If pub squads were to disappear, everyone would just go and play fac war. Meta lock pubs so proto gear can't be used and things suddenly become a lot more even. meta lock doesn't solve passive skills and experience playing the game it'll just have people stomp in adv gear. Removing squads from pubs or making the q put squads against squads is the only fix for pubs other than that stomps will still happen. To FW statement: they already squad stomp FW so what would change? Getting more balanced FW battles perhaps. Removing squads won't stop stomps either, because squads aren't the problem. Matchmaking is.
Wanna play eve?
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1
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Posted - 2015.10.01 22:15:00 -
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I just can't understand how I can be placed in a match against one stomping squad then the next match against another stomping squad. Why are they not forced into a match against each other instead of being allowed to quit until they gind easy pickings?
Because, that's why.
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Clone D
Solo Zen
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Posted - 2015.10.02 00:53:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Pubs should have never had squads. It's what allowed pub stomping in the first place. Several organized groups vs randomly matched people is a win button for the squads. Personally I think it's why this game never got popular.
I'd second that. The game needs a devoted soloist mode without squads, where soloists can destroy each other amidst the chaos of non-communication. I'd play that exclusively. |
Worthless Target
Extra Padding
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Posted - 2015.10.02 01:01:00 -
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You guys are looking at this all wrong. The match making is working fine, it just dos not work the way conventional games do.
Embrace the stomp
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.10.02 01:54:00 -
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Clone D wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Pubs should have never had squads. It's what allowed pub stomping in the first place. Several organized groups vs randomly matched people is a win button for the squads. Personally I think it's why this game never got popular. I'd second that. The game needs a devoted soloist mode without squads, where soloists can destroy each other amidst the chaos of non-communication. I'd play that exclusively.
To often people give up simply because they see a Corp squad on the other team. Even when in a squad I hear them say over com's " oh great it's ( place Corp name here ) I'm gonna snipe "
Ive said it a million times, your on a team squad or not. Squading give a very big advantage even with cheap suits.
Meta locking won't stop it. Your personal ability to adapt in all situations should be what determines how well you do, not if your on a squad with glass cannons. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.10.02 04:44:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Brother, I feel your pain. At the start if games I'll run my most expensive suit, almost adv. level gear in all slots (no proto yet). Its the kit that I get the most WP with lately so I'll try not to die at all. I can square off against most people, retreating if out ranged and stomping if they are within. Then I'll go up against a player where I get the drop, unload half a clip before they bunny hop away and put me down in less than 2 seconds of fire. They end up with half hp even after me getting the drop. This happens so often, I can instantly call proto and sure enough proto suit and weapon. And for some reason THIRDROCK has been doing this often lately. SKILL OF GOD is another I've noticed almost every day a few players proto stomping. My highest MU is 34, and it's an APEX that was gifted to me. Of my real suits, it's a 31. What are the MU of some proto fitted players? I'm curious of the difference. You mean meta level not MU. My full decked out MK.0 has a meta level of 64 I think the highest is 70 (just a guess)
Meta Level does go higher than 70. I just checked my suits and I have a Proto Logistics at 74, a Proto Assault at 75, and both my Scottsman Officer Suit and Rattati's Officer Suit show 78.
I think 78 might be the highest meta level you can get. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
990
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Posted - 2015.10.02 04:54:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Clone D wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Pubs should have never had squads. It's what allowed pub stomping in the first place. Several organized groups vs randomly matched people is a win button for the squads. Personally I think it's why this game never got popular. I'd second that. The game needs a devoted soloist mode without squads, where soloists can destroy each other amidst the chaos of non-communication. I'd play that exclusively. To often people give up simply because they see a Corp squad on the other team. Even when in a squad I hear them say over com's " oh great it's ( place Corp name here ) I'm gonna snipe " Ive said it a million times, your on a team squad or not. Squading give a very big advantage even with cheap suits. Meta locking won't stop it. Your personal ability to adapt in all situations should be what determines how well you do, not if your on a squad with glass cannons.
This is true. I was in a squad once playing Factional Warfare and right at the start of the match someone in the squad looked to see who we were up against. After realizing we were going against really good, squaded-up players this person asked us if we wanted to just drop out of the match instead of playing. I was befuddled after hearing this for two reasons: 1) we had not even completely deployed into the match and this guy is already asking if we wanted to quit, and 2) we were in a full 8 man squad in this Faction Warfare match which means if we all quit we would be completely ******* over the 8 other people on our team. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
990
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Posted - 2015.10.02 05:17:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ? That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic . You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in . You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with . Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team . What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with , while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati . It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty . I never said have random people squad up, I said squad up with people you like playing with. That is a very distinct difference. Also if random solo players don't want to play as a team and just want to run around like headless chickens doing their own thing that is there choice...
I put in bold what you typed that pisses me off and let me tell you why.
For some reason you think that if I am running solo that I am not acting accordingly to benefit my team in a match. That right there is ********. I have enough situational awareness in this game to assess what my team needs based on what I see them trying to do and what I know they need to do. I do not need someone to constantly hold my hand and guide me into what I should be doing in a match.
Also, joining a squad does not in any way mean that you are playing as a team. With my experience being in a squad and playing with/against squads I have noticed that squads act in the best interest of the squad, not the team. I see squads abandon blueberries constantly leaving them to get slaughtered instead of jumping in and helping them survive. Most squads don't know a damn thing about working as a team. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.10.02 05:33:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Brother, I feel your pain. At the start if games I'll run my most expensive suit, almost adv. level gear in all slots (no proto yet). Its the kit that I get the most WP with lately so I'll try not to die at all. I can square off against most people, retreating if out ranged and stomping if they are within. Then I'll go up against a player where I get the drop, unload half a clip before they bunny hop away and put me down in less than 2 seconds of fire. They end up with half hp even after me getting the drop. This happens so often, I can instantly call proto and sure enough proto suit and weapon. And for some reason THIRDROCK has been doing this often lately. SKILL OF GOD is another I've noticed almost every day a few players proto stomping. My highest MU is 34, and it's an APEX that was gifted to me. Of my real suits, it's a 31. What are the MU of some proto fitted players? I'm curious of the difference. You mean meta level not MU. My full decked out MK.0 has a meta level of 64 I think the highest is 70 (just a guess) Meta Level does go higher than 70. I just checked my suits and I have a Proto Logistics at 74, a Proto Assault at 75, and both my Scottsman Officer Suit and Rattati's Officer Suit show 78. I think 78 might be the highest meta level you can get.
Out of curiosity...highest I could build was a rattati at 101, and a logibro at 128.
Edit: highest I could build and would run... Bolth would be huge force multiplier's. |
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.10.02 05:58:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over. -or- How about you metalock the matches to help level things out? -or- How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Brother, I feel your pain. At the start if games I'll run my most expensive suit, almost adv. level gear in all slots (no proto yet). Its the kit that I get the most WP with lately so I'll try not to die at all. I can square off against most people, retreating if out ranged and stomping if they are within. Then I'll go up against a player where I get the drop, unload half a clip before they bunny hop away and put me down in less than 2 seconds of fire. They end up with half hp even after me getting the drop. This happens so often, I can instantly call proto and sure enough proto suit and weapon. And for some reason THIRDROCK has been doing this often lately. SKILL OF GOD is another I've noticed almost every day a few players proto stomping. My highest MU is 34, and it's an APEX that was gifted to me. Of my real suits, it's a 31. What are the MU of some proto fitted players? I'm curious of the difference. You mean meta level not MU. My full decked out MK.0 has a meta level of 64 I think the highest is 70 (just a guess) Meta Level does go higher than 70. I just checked my suits and I have a Proto Logistics at 74, a Proto Assault at 75, and both my Scottsman Officer Suit and Rattati's Officer Suit show 78. I think 78 might be the highest meta level you can get. Out of curiosity...highest I could build was a rattati at 101, and a logibro at 128. Edit: highest I could build and would run... Bolth would be huge force multiplier's.
128? Good gracious!
I figured 78 was it because both my Officer Suits were at that level and they are set up in completely different ways. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.10.02 06:04:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ? That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic . You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in . You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with . Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team . What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with , while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati . It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty . I never said have random people squad up, I said squad up with people you like playing with. That is a very distinct difference. Also if random solo players don't want to play as a team and just want to run around like headless chickens doing their own thing that is there choice... I put in bold what you typed that pisses me off and let me tell you why. For some reason you think that if I am running solo that I am not acting accordingly to benefit my team in a match. That right there is ********. I have enough situational awareness in this game to assess what my team needs based on what I see them trying to do and what I know they need to do. I do not need someone to constantly hold my hand and guide me into what I should be doing in a match. Also, joining a squad does not in any way mean that you are playing as a team. With my experience being in a squad and playing with/against squads I have noticed that squads act in the best interest of the squad, not the team. I see squads abandon blueberries constantly leaving them to get slaughtered instead of jumping in and helping them survive. Most squads don't know a damn thing about working as a team.
Other than squading with my wife ( who can barley shoot the broadside of a barn ) I play solo and even then I always do something that is giving my team an upper hand tactically, or mentally if possible.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.10.02 06:16:00 -
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The high meta suits is one of the reasons I think meta locking is a bad idea... I could do the same in reverse and make basic suits with very low meta but also extremely tough/good at what they need to do. Experience, sp, and knowledge can make basic suits deadly. Summa tho I don't do it often squad with me sometime ( if I'm playing invite me or message me ) and I'll show you how I play. |
Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.10.02 11:57:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:The high meta suits is one of the reasons I think meta locking is a bad idea... I could do the same in reverse and make basic suits with very low meta but also extremely tough/good at what they need to do. Experience, sp, and knowledge can make basic suits deadly. Summa tho I don't do it often squad with me sometime ( if I'm playing invite me or message me ) and I'll show you how I play. exactly the meta level of the suits doesn't really matter its the organization of squads. However if there was a solo mode I think squad pubs would die. What needs to happen is if a squad q's they have to wait for another squad to q on the opposite side. |
Lost Apollo
Moose Knuckle Pros
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Posted - 2015.10.02 13:55:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Better question is why you dont just counter snipe him.
Easier said than done it seems.
Finding a sniper is one thing. Sniping him/her is a whole different ballgame. Scouts are easy. Most mediums are too. Heavies are straight bitches to snipe simply cus of their eHP.
My armor is weak, but my shields are relentless.
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Starlight Burner
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Posted - 2015.10.02 15:47:00 -
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Where CPM at?
Oh yeah, 'No comment'.
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WELCOME TO NEW EDEN THERE ARE MONSTERS HERE
Because beer, that's why.
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Posted - 2015.10.02 19:53:00 -
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yup, doing my head in, can't even stay logged in due to frustration from one-sided, unbalanced matches of people camping on roofs and not being able to win 1 game all pissing night.
it shouldn't be so much to ask for, to win ONE game and have ONE good game and have ONE balanced game!
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