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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.01 17:49:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage.
You realize most players run solo right? Squads are the minority not the majority. New players especially are solo players. The low MU bracket is overwhelmingly solo. That is why squading is so powerful. Its almost always 4 guns to 1. So simply telling people to squad is not the answer. Even if they do 4 random guys who wander around separately are just four solo players with stripes over their heads.
As for metalocks that would be a great to see. We have the basics of them in place, so just enforce them. Squads will still be good and SP gaps will provide an advantage, but 32/2 games are a lot harder to achieve in starter fits than officer gear. Plus if the payouts scale accordingly it may dissuade some from playing down. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
990
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Posted - 2015.10.01 17:49:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage.
A lot of people do not have time to devote to running in a squad. A lot of people also don't like a squad determining what gamemode they are going to play, when they are going to play it, and what strategies to use during the match.
Some of us also don't like the fact that the majority of squads act in the interest of their squad instead of acting in the interest of their team.
I ******* hate squads in this game because for some idiotic reason people in this game think that simply being in a squad makes you a team player more so than the actions you take in the match itself.
Now I am all for a metalock with the matches.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:04:00 -
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Mr.Pepe Le Pew wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:You must not be reading the theme of this thread , why keep placing organized squads against random players .?. and I've said this myself many a times .
Where are the CPM's on this ?
Where is the push to actually create a matchmaking system or just to balance teams in matches in general ?
People have been saying the same thing for sometime now but this get's zero attention and interest .
If people are complaining then obviously it has some kind of negative effect so why not fix this ?
Common sense , it's not like these people have no footing to stand on and are complaining just to do so , why can't the system set up matches so that if there are squads on a team , that there is another on the other .?. , sometimes I get matches where I'm clearly on the random team and were pitted against two squads that are on the same team .
How is this balanced ?
Where is the concern from any besides whom this effects ?
Why wouldn't the players who are playing in squads , want better unless they just enjoy stomping ?
But most of these same claim to be so good .
This is a joke that's not even funny and this broken system needs attention . CCP is highly susceptible to pressure from special interest groups of players. If they aren't fixing something, it's because it suits someone who has influence with CCP. Same thing happens in EvE. The only way to build a game is to build it completely without the influence of the player base, make it as good a game as you can without nerffing, buffing or otherwise sullying it to benefit whoever has the greatest influence with the developers, ignoring the complaints on the basis that it's already a good game, and any changes that come from those complaints are not likely to improve it. Epic
IKR
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:21:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage.
How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ?
That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic .
You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in .
You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with .
Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team .
What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with .?. while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati .
It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:38:00 -
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To me all they have to do is make sure there is a squad , if any .. on each team .
If they could create that setting it's a little more balanced .
No more two squads against random players .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
956
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:39:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ? That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic . You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in . You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with . Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team . What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with , while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati . It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty .
I never said have random people squad up, I said squad up with people you like playing with. That is a very distinct difference. Also if random solo players don't want to play as a team and just want to run around like headless chickens doing their own thing that is there choice, but you can't whine and moan it's unfair if you choose not to even try.
I'm not defending the matchmaking cos it is atrocious, I'm defending getting rid of squads cos people don't want to squad up. If pub squads were to disappear, everyone would just go and play fac war.
Meta lock pubs so proto gear can't be used and things suddenly become a lot more even.
Wanna play eve?
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Daemonn Adima
Y.A.M.A.H
No Context
222
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:40:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over.
-or-
How about you metalock the matches to help level things out?
-or-
How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Brother, I feel your pain. At the start if games I'll run my most expensive suit, almost adv. level gear in all slots (no proto yet). Its the kit that I get the most WP with lately so I'll try not to die at all. I can square off against most people, retreating if out ranged and stomping if they are within.
Then I'll go up against a player where I get the drop, unload half a clip before they bunny hop away and put me down in less than 2 seconds of fire. They end up with half hp even after me getting the drop. This happens so often, I can instantly call proto and sure enough proto suit and weapon.
And for some reason THIRDROCK has been doing this often lately. SKILL OF GOD is another I've noticed almost every day a few players proto stomping. My highest MU is 34, and it's an APEX that was gifted to me. Of my real suits, it's a 31.
What are the MU of some proto fitted players? I'm curious of the difference.
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Worthless Target
Extra Padding
35
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:50:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over.
-or-
How about you metalock the matches to help level things out?
-or-
How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Match making is working as intended, you're just looking at it the wrong way.
Embrace the stomp
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Doombabies Bulletsponge
Slutty Girls Inc.
1
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Posted - 2015.10.01 19:47:00 -
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I'm not the one to ask, but MU might just be broken, or CCP thinks I'm a god |
Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces
Rise Of Legion.
831
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Posted - 2015.10.01 20:53:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ? That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic . You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in . You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with . Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team . What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with , while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati . It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty . I never said have random people squad up, I said squad up with people you like playing with. That is a very distinct difference. Also if random solo players don't want to play as a team and just want to run around like headless chickens doing their own thing that is there choice, but you can't whine and moan it's unfair if you choose not to even try. I'm not defending the matchmaking cos it is atrocious, I'm defending getting rid of squads cos people don't want to squad up. If pub squads were to disappear, everyone would just go and play fac war. Meta lock pubs so proto gear can't be used and things suddenly become a lot more even.
meta lock doesn't solve passive skills and experience playing the game it'll just have people stomp in adv gear. Removing squads from pubs or making the q put squads against squads is the only fix for pubs other than that stomps will still happen.
To FW statement: they already squad stomp FW so what would change? Getting more balanced FW battles perhaps. |
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Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces
Rise Of Legion.
831
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Posted - 2015.10.01 20:57:00 -
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over.
-or-
How about you metalock the matches to help level things out?
-or-
How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Brother, I feel your pain. At the start if games I'll run my most expensive suit, almost adv. level gear in all slots (no proto yet). Its the kit that I get the most WP with lately so I'll try not to die at all. I can square off against most people, retreating if out ranged and stomping if they are within. Then I'll go up against a player where I get the drop, unload half a clip before they bunny hop away and put me down in less than 2 seconds of fire. They end up with half hp even after me getting the drop. This happens so often, I can instantly call proto and sure enough proto suit and weapon. And for some reason THIRDROCK has been doing this often lately. SKILL OF GOD is another I've noticed almost every day a few players proto stomping. My highest MU is 34, and it's an APEX that was gifted to me. Of my real suits, it's a 31. What are the MU of some proto fitted players? I'm curious of the difference.
You mean meta level not MU. My full decked out MK.0 has a meta level of 64 I think the highest is 70 (just a guess) |
Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
956
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Posted - 2015.10.01 21:03:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ? That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic . You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in . You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with . Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team . What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with , while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati . It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty . I never said have random people squad up, I said squad up with people you like playing with. That is a very distinct difference. Also if random solo players don't want to play as a team and just want to run around like headless chickens doing their own thing that is there choice, but you can't whine and moan it's unfair if you choose not to even try. I'm not defending the matchmaking cos it is atrocious, I'm defending getting rid of squads cos people don't want to squad up. If pub squads were to disappear, everyone would just go and play fac war. Meta lock pubs so proto gear can't be used and things suddenly become a lot more even. meta lock doesn't solve passive skills and experience playing the game it'll just have people stomp in adv gear. Removing squads from pubs or making the q put squads against squads is the only fix for pubs other than that stomps will still happen. To FW statement: they already squad stomp FW so what would change? Getting more balanced FW battles perhaps.
Removing squads won't stop stomps either, because squads aren't the problem. Matchmaking is.
Wanna play eve?
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1
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Posted - 2015.10.01 22:15:00 -
[43] - Quote
I just can't understand how I can be placed in a match against one stomping squad then the next match against another stomping squad. Why are they not forced into a match against each other instead of being allowed to quit until they gind easy pickings?
Because, that's why.
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Clone D
Solo Zen
2
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Posted - 2015.10.02 00:53:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Pubs should have never had squads. It's what allowed pub stomping in the first place. Several organized groups vs randomly matched people is a win button for the squads. Personally I think it's why this game never got popular.
I'd second that. The game needs a devoted soloist mode without squads, where soloists can destroy each other amidst the chaos of non-communication. I'd play that exclusively. |
Worthless Target
Extra Padding
35
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Posted - 2015.10.02 01:01:00 -
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You guys are looking at this all wrong. The match making is working fine, it just dos not work the way conventional games do.
Embrace the stomp
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
1
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Posted - 2015.10.02 01:54:00 -
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Clone D wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Pubs should have never had squads. It's what allowed pub stomping in the first place. Several organized groups vs randomly matched people is a win button for the squads. Personally I think it's why this game never got popular. I'd second that. The game needs a devoted soloist mode without squads, where soloists can destroy each other amidst the chaos of non-communication. I'd play that exclusively.
To often people give up simply because they see a Corp squad on the other team. Even when in a squad I hear them say over com's " oh great it's ( place Corp name here ) I'm gonna snipe "
Ive said it a million times, your on a team squad or not. Squading give a very big advantage even with cheap suits.
Meta locking won't stop it. Your personal ability to adapt in all situations should be what determines how well you do, not if your on a squad with glass cannons. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
990
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Posted - 2015.10.02 04:44:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over.
-or-
How about you metalock the matches to help level things out?
-or-
How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Brother, I feel your pain. At the start if games I'll run my most expensive suit, almost adv. level gear in all slots (no proto yet). Its the kit that I get the most WP with lately so I'll try not to die at all. I can square off against most people, retreating if out ranged and stomping if they are within. Then I'll go up against a player where I get the drop, unload half a clip before they bunny hop away and put me down in less than 2 seconds of fire. They end up with half hp even after me getting the drop. This happens so often, I can instantly call proto and sure enough proto suit and weapon. And for some reason THIRDROCK has been doing this often lately. SKILL OF GOD is another I've noticed almost every day a few players proto stomping. My highest MU is 34, and it's an APEX that was gifted to me. Of my real suits, it's a 31. What are the MU of some proto fitted players? I'm curious of the difference. You mean meta level not MU. My full decked out MK.0 has a meta level of 64 I think the highest is 70 (just a guess)
Meta Level does go higher than 70. I just checked my suits and I have a Proto Logistics at 74, a Proto Assault at 75, and both my Scottsman Officer Suit and Rattati's Officer Suit show 78.
I think 78 might be the highest meta level you can get. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
990
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Posted - 2015.10.02 04:54:00 -
[48] - Quote
HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Clone D wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Pubs should have never had squads. It's what allowed pub stomping in the first place. Several organized groups vs randomly matched people is a win button for the squads. Personally I think it's why this game never got popular. I'd second that. The game needs a devoted soloist mode without squads, where soloists can destroy each other amidst the chaos of non-communication. I'd play that exclusively. To often people give up simply because they see a Corp squad on the other team. Even when in a squad I hear them say over com's " oh great it's ( place Corp name here ) I'm gonna snipe " Ive said it a million times, your on a team squad or not. Squading give a very big advantage even with cheap suits. Meta locking won't stop it. Your personal ability to adapt in all situations should be what determines how well you do, not if your on a squad with glass cannons.
This is true. I was in a squad once playing Factional Warfare and right at the start of the match someone in the squad looked to see who we were up against. After realizing we were going against really good, squaded-up players this person asked us if we wanted to just drop out of the match instead of playing.
I was befuddled after hearing this for two reasons: 1) we had not even completely deployed into the match and this guy is already asking if we wanted to quit, and 2) we were in a full 8 man squad in this Faction Warfare match which means if we all quit we would be completely ******* over the 8 other people on our team. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
990
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Posted - 2015.10.02 05:17:00 -
[49] - Quote
Echo 1991 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ? That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic . You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in . You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with . Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team . What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with , while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati . It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty . I never said have random people squad up, I said squad up with people you like playing with. That is a very distinct difference. Also if random solo players don't want to play as a team and just want to run around like headless chickens doing their own thing that is there choice...
I put in bold what you typed that pisses me off and let me tell you why.
For some reason you think that if I am running solo that I am not acting accordingly to benefit my team in a match. That right there is ********. I have enough situational awareness in this game to assess what my team needs based on what I see them trying to do and what I know they need to do. I do not need someone to constantly hold my hand and guide me into what I should be doing in a match.
Also, joining a squad does not in any way mean that you are playing as a team. With my experience being in a squad and playing with/against squads I have noticed that squads act in the best interest of the squad, not the team. I see squads abandon blueberries constantly leaving them to get slaughtered instead of jumping in and helping them survive. Most squads don't know a damn thing about working as a team. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Summa Militum wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over.
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How about you metalock the matches to help level things out?
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How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Brother, I feel your pain. At the start if games I'll run my most expensive suit, almost adv. level gear in all slots (no proto yet). Its the kit that I get the most WP with lately so I'll try not to die at all. I can square off against most people, retreating if out ranged and stomping if they are within. Then I'll go up against a player where I get the drop, unload half a clip before they bunny hop away and put me down in less than 2 seconds of fire. They end up with half hp even after me getting the drop. This happens so often, I can instantly call proto and sure enough proto suit and weapon. And for some reason THIRDROCK has been doing this often lately. SKILL OF GOD is another I've noticed almost every day a few players proto stomping. My highest MU is 34, and it's an APEX that was gifted to me. Of my real suits, it's a 31. What are the MU of some proto fitted players? I'm curious of the difference. You mean meta level not MU. My full decked out MK.0 has a meta level of 64 I think the highest is 70 (just a guess) Meta Level does go higher than 70. I just checked my suits and I have a Proto Logistics at 74, a Proto Assault at 75, and both my Scottsman Officer Suit and Rattati's Officer Suit show 78. I think 78 might be the highest meta level you can get.
Out of curiosity...highest I could build was a rattati at 101, and a logibro at 128.
Edit: highest I could build and would run... Bolth would be huge force multiplier's. |
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Posted - 2015.10.02 05:58:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The hell is going on here?
The matches I played before I went to work today I was forced up against T.H.I.R.D.R.O.C.K which resulted in me getting sniped repeatedly by Saxonmish using a Thales. Why I am placed in multiple matches against those guys when I am just an average-skilled solo player is beyond me.
I now get home from work and the first match I play I am thrown against Dozermouse and his Fatal Absolution buddies; needless to say they ****** me up.
Who do you think I am, CCP? You think I am a god at this game or something? What do you want from me...my blood, sweat, and tears?
This MU ranking crap needs to be reworked because it clearly screws people over.
-or-
How about you metalock the matches to help level things out?
-or-
How about you remove squads from Public Matches?
Brother, I feel your pain. At the start if games I'll run my most expensive suit, almost adv. level gear in all slots (no proto yet). Its the kit that I get the most WP with lately so I'll try not to die at all. I can square off against most people, retreating if out ranged and stomping if they are within. Then I'll go up against a player where I get the drop, unload half a clip before they bunny hop away and put me down in less than 2 seconds of fire. They end up with half hp even after me getting the drop. This happens so often, I can instantly call proto and sure enough proto suit and weapon. And for some reason THIRDROCK has been doing this often lately. SKILL OF GOD is another I've noticed almost every day a few players proto stomping. My highest MU is 34, and it's an APEX that was gifted to me. Of my real suits, it's a 31. What are the MU of some proto fitted players? I'm curious of the difference. You mean meta level not MU. My full decked out MK.0 has a meta level of 64 I think the highest is 70 (just a guess) Meta Level does go higher than 70. I just checked my suits and I have a Proto Logistics at 74, a Proto Assault at 75, and both my Scottsman Officer Suit and Rattati's Officer Suit show 78. I think 78 might be the highest meta level you can get. Out of curiosity...highest I could build was a rattati at 101, and a logibro at 128. Edit: highest I could build and would run... Bolth would be huge force multiplier's.
128? Good gracious!
I figured 78 was it because both my Officer Suits were at that level and they are set up in completely different ways. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
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Posted - 2015.10.02 06:04:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:The simple solution to this is to run in an organised squad as well. It's not exactly hard to find people you like playing with.
You can't complain people who squad up always smack you if you don't want to squad up. As I have have said for a while now, it's not the squad thats the problem, the fact that they can just use seemingly unlimited amounts of proto gear against guys in standard and advanced is.
Meta level lockouts need to be implemented for it to be more balanced cos proto gear can give a significant advantage. How is it organized if your pitting random players that just happened to squad up against players that simply don't play the game unless they play with their mates in a squad ? That's not the answer and it's amazing when people try to defend this broken mechanic . You cant replace or mimic the time and familiarity that known squads have , they have an understanding of who their playing with , their strengths and weaknesses as well as being familiar with what their skilled in and what they specialize in . You cant compete with that I don't care what hypothesis you try to come up with . Random players don't play well if their not striving for the same goal and even so , you still have major hurdles to overcome . That's no where near balanced and that's why I just don't put too much stock in those who do youtube that break off 30 , 40 and 50 /1 matches because if you were to place most of these people in a solo scenario , they would be garbage and if not , no where near as efficient as they are inside that squad setting . K/D means nothing in this game and truly is an inflated stat because of the squad factor and playing with those whom you are familiar with , clearly that has a major advantage over random players or players that try to emulate that style but don't have the knowledge , experience or the patience to learn the others in their team . What I just don't understand is , if these players are so competitive ... then why not just lobby for a more balanced system .?. why keep things the way that they are and then come to the forums or be in-game like your this machismo that can stomp all alone or talk about the fact that your too OP because of ... when if your doing this against random players , don't you feel that you have a distinct advantage by playing with people that your so familiar with , while going against random players because in PC matches , which most youtubers don't show ( not just talking about them because I'm mentioning them , except DAAA BEAST .. ) , you / they wouldn't be anywhere as near as efficient in that setting , so why wouldn't you as a competitive player want to play in that type of setting or a system that would produce more even matches .?. but yet no one talks out about how broken this system is , not the CPM , not the GM and not your precious Rattati . It is broken and it should get attention so that it can be fixed , clearly there are mismatches and disadvantages aplenty . I never said have random people squad up, I said squad up with people you like playing with. That is a very distinct difference. Also if random solo players don't want to play as a team and just want to run around like headless chickens doing their own thing that is there choice... I put in bold what you typed that pisses me off and let me tell you why. For some reason you think that if I am running solo that I am not acting accordingly to benefit my team in a match. That right there is ********. I have enough situational awareness in this game to assess what my team needs based on what I see them trying to do and what I know they need to do. I do not need someone to constantly hold my hand and guide me into what I should be doing in a match. Also, joining a squad does not in any way mean that you are playing as a team. With my experience being in a squad and playing with/against squads I have noticed that squads act in the best interest of the squad, not the team. I see squads abandon blueberries constantly leaving them to get slaughtered instead of jumping in and helping them survive. Most squads don't know a damn thing about working as a team.
Other than squading with my wife ( who can barley shoot the broadside of a barn ) I play solo and even then I always do something that is giving my team an upper hand tactically, or mentally if possible.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.02 06:16:00 -
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The high meta suits is one of the reasons I think meta locking is a bad idea... I could do the same in reverse and make basic suits with very low meta but also extremely tough/good at what they need to do. Experience, sp, and knowledge can make basic suits deadly. Summa tho I don't do it often squad with me sometime ( if I'm playing invite me or message me ) and I'll show you how I play. |
Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.10.02 11:57:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:The high meta suits is one of the reasons I think meta locking is a bad idea... I could do the same in reverse and make basic suits with very low meta but also extremely tough/good at what they need to do. Experience, sp, and knowledge can make basic suits deadly. Summa tho I don't do it often squad with me sometime ( if I'm playing invite me or message me ) and I'll show you how I play.
exactly the meta level of the suits doesn't really matter its the organization of squads. However if there was a solo mode I think squad pubs would die. What needs to happen is if a squad q's they have to wait for another squad to q on the opposite side. |
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Posted - 2015.10.02 13:55:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Better question is why you dont just counter snipe him.
Easier said than done it seems.
Finding a sniper is one thing. Sniping him/her is a whole different ballgame. Scouts are easy. Most mediums are too. Heavies are straight bitches to snipe simply cus of their eHP.
My armor is weak, but my shields are relentless.
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Where CPM at?
Oh yeah, 'No comment'.
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WELCOME TO NEW EDEN THERE ARE MONSTERS HERE
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yup, doing my head in, can't even stay logged in due to frustration from one-sided, unbalanced matches of people camping on roofs and not being able to win 1 game all pissing night.
it shouldn't be so much to ask for, to win ONE game and have ONE good game and have ONE balanced game!
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