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Genral69 death
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:22:00 -
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So ill start of by asking you a question Which hmg would you expect you come out on top in cqc, a assault hmg or burst?
Due to the very limited range of the burst hmg id go for that, but sadly that's not the case. The assault hmg out preforms the burst in may ways .
Not sure where I'm going with this and no I'm not asking for the nurf hammer but some actual balance between them
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:25:00 -
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Grab a calculator. The Assault HMG has far less DPS than even the basic HMG. It's not OP, just more accurate.
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Genral69 death
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Posted - 2015.09.21 14:26:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Grab a calculator. The Assault HMG has far less DPS than even the basic HMG. It's not OP, just more accurate. Accuracy is hardly a problem at 10-12 meters and eleven if you land all your shots each burst you still get killed
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Nestil
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.09.21 14:32:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Grab a calculator. The Assault HMG has far less DPS than even the basic HMG. It's not OP, just more accurate. Accuracy is hardly a problem at 10-12 meters and eleven if you land all your shots each burst you still get killed
Maybe lag? Sometimes I can't kill anything with a SG either.... Or maybe it's the player. Some kind of mind game since the burst player has the heat always on his mind which could hold him back. The assault HMG on the other side can pray n spray
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Genral69 death
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Posted - 2015.09.21 14:54:00 -
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Nestil wrote:Genral69 death wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Grab a calculator. The Assault HMG has far less DPS than even the basic HMG. It's not OP, just more accurate. Accuracy is hardly a problem at 10-12 meters and eleven if you land all your shots each burst you still get killed Maybe lag? Sometimes I can't kill anything with a SG either.... Or maybe it's the player. Some kind of mind game since the burst player has the heat always on his mind which could hold him back. The assault HMG on the other side can pray n spray Possible lag, but its not just that. Its in general that the assault is alot better a close range Tha the burst
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.09.21 15:28:00 -
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AHMG has better range, and similar DPS simply due to its amazing accuracy.
In a pure CQC slugfest, I prefer the boundless.
In every other scenario, Freedom is the name of the game.
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Vesta Opalus
Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.21 15:32:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:So ill start of by asking you a question Which hmg would you expect you come out on top in cqc, a assault hmg or burst?
Due to the very limited range of the burst hmg id go for that, but sadly that's not the case. The assault hmg out preforms the burst in may ways .
Not sure where I'm going with this and no I'm not asking for the nurf hammer but some actual balance between them
Im a big fan of bashing on the current state of the assault HMG, but if you are hitting your bursts you should be winning. |
maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.21 15:32:00 -
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Excuse me? Assault hmg? I think you mean the duct tape people small turret. That thing is a friggen flak cannon. I almost brought down saxonmish's python by chucking a flux and spraying that thing at it. Lavs don't even stand a chance against it. Wait. Lavs don't even stand up to milita assault rifles or milita scrambled pistols. I managed to destroy two of em with them.
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Genral69 death
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:38:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:Excuse me? Assault hmg? I think you mean the duct tape people small turret. That thing is a friggen flak cannon. I almost brought down saxonmish's python by chucking a flux and spraying that thing at it. Lavs don't even stand a chance against it. Wait. Lavs don't even stand up to milita assault rifles or milita scrambled pistols. I managed to destroy two of em with them. I miss the days when it took a decent plasma cannon to one shot a lav, now a days you can do with with miltia :(
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maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:53:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Excuse me? Assault hmg? I think you mean the duct tape people small turret. That thing is a friggen flak cannon. I almost brought down saxonmish's python by chucking a flux and spraying that thing at it. Lavs don't even stand a chance against it. Wait. Lavs don't even stand up to milita assault rifles or milita scrambled pistols. I managed to destroy two of em with them. I miss the days when it took a decent plasma cannon to one shot a lav, now a days you can do with with miltia :(
Nowadays sheild lavs are just pitiful at base form. Armour lavs can take two sneezes before going boom.
Dust 514:Plasma is magic.
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Genral69 death
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:56:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:Genral69 death wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Excuse me? Assault hmg? I think you mean the duct tape people small turret. That thing is a friggen flak cannon. I almost brought down saxonmish's python by chucking a flux and spraying that thing at it. Lavs don't even stand a chance against it. Wait. Lavs don't even stand up to milita assault rifles or milita scrambled pistols. I managed to destroy two of em with them. I miss the days when it took a decent plasma cannon to one shot a lav, now a days you can do with with miltia :( Nowadays sheild lavs are just pitiful at base form. Armour lavs can take two sneezes before going boom. I do think that the shield should be at least 1200 shield on shield based lav's to compet with Amor based
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LHughes
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:57:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:So ill start of by asking you a question Which hmg would you expect you come out on top in cqc, a assault hmg or burst?
Due to the very limited range of the burst hmg id go for that, but sadly that's not the case. The assault hmg out preforms the burst in may ways .
Not sure where I'm going with this and no I'm not asking for the nurf hammer but some actual balance between them
Burst is scary on a heavy who can aim, which is rare
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maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:59:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Genral69 death wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Excuse me? Assault hmg? I think you mean the duct tape people small turret. That thing is a friggen flak cannon. I almost brought down saxonmish's python by chucking a flux and spraying that thing at it. Lavs don't even stand a chance against it. Wait. Lavs don't even stand up to milita assault rifles or milita scrambled pistols. I managed to destroy two of em with them. I miss the days when it took a decent plasma cannon to one shot a lav, now a days you can do with with miltia :( Nowadays sheild lavs are just pitiful at base form. Armour lavs can take two sneezes before going boom. I do think that the shield should be at least 1200 shield on shield based lav's to compet with Amor based I wish. I dunno what ccp was thinking there. And that 650 sheild takes forever to recharge I could stick a extender on a armour lav and have it charge faster
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Genral69 death
RAT PATROL INC.
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:10:00 -
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maybe deadcatz wrote:Genral69 death wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Genral69 death wrote:maybe deadcatz wrote:Excuse me? Assault hmg? I think you mean the duct tape people small turret. That thing is a friggen flak cannon. I almost brought down saxonmish's python by chucking a flux and spraying that thing at it. Lavs don't even stand a chance against it. Wait. Lavs don't even stand up to milita assault rifles or milita scrambled pistols. I managed to destroy two of em with them. I miss the days when it took a decent plasma cannon to one shot a lav, now a days you can do with with miltia :( Nowadays sheild lavs are just pitiful at base form. Armour lavs can take two sneezes before going boom. I do think that the shield should be at least 1200 shield on shield based lav's to compet with Amor based I wish. I dunno what ccp was thinking there. And that 650 sheild takes forever to recharge I could stick a extender on a armour lav and have it charge faster You be willing to sign a petition to buff shield based lav's ?
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Leovarian L Lavitz
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:30:00 -
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Fit a Std heavy shield extender on your Lav. I use the militia heavy shield extender bpo on my guristas saga bpo Lav
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Alcina Nektaria
KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:45:00 -
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Performance wise, AHMG is ideal in comparison to other HMGs, but ONLY because the rest were nerfed into oblivion because people complained about a weapon that was working as intended......
.....sounds very.....familiar
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Genral69 death
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Posted - 2015.09.21 18:05:00 -
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Alcina Nektaria wrote:Performance wise, AHMG is ideal in comparison to other HMGs, but ONLY because the rest were nerfed into oblivion because people complained about a weapon that was working as intended......
.....sounds very.....familiar If I remember correctly the burst wasn't nurfed. My point stands why is a mid range fun out performing a close range weapon
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
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Posted - 2015.09.21 20:36:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:Performance wise, AHMG is ideal in comparison to other HMGs, but ONLY because the rest were nerfed into oblivion because people complained about a weapon that was working as intended......
.....sounds very.....familiar If I remember correctly the burst wasn't nurfed. My point stands why is a mid range fun out performing a close range weapon If you look at the heat increase that gun has then you could say it was somewhat a nerf .
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zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.21 21:15:00 -
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Burst HMG is king
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Genral69 death
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Posted - 2015.09.21 21:43:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Genral69 death wrote:Alcina Nektaria wrote:Performance wise, AHMG is ideal in comparison to other HMGs, but ONLY because the rest were nerfed into oblivion because people complained about a weapon that was working as intended......
.....sounds very.....familiar If I remember correctly the burst wasn't nurfed. My point stands why is a mid range fun out performing a close range weapon If you look at the heat increase that gun has then you could say it was somewhat a nerf . Oh yes l, forgot about that . A slight nurf but didn't effect the burst massive but your kinda missing the point
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.21 21:54:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:So ill start of by asking you a question Which hmg would you expect you come out on top in cqc, a assault hmg or burst?
Due to the very limited range of the burst hmg id go for that, but sadly that's not the case. The assault hmg out preforms the burst in may ways .
Not sure where I'm going with this and no I'm not asking for the nurf hammer but some actual balance between them
It all depends on the gungame of the user, damage mods, SP invested etc. This is of course if we are talking about in game implications vs white room scenarios.
Note: What follows is my opinion and what I have learned through my own experiments.
To be honest in CQC, I have found that the regluar variant excells against the AssHMG and the Burst.
Against the AssHMG, the regular has the advantage in RoF. This allows it to deal damage quicker. The AssHMG has high accuracy and takes less time to get to full accuracy than the other variants, however in CQC, you will need to learn how track accurately or you will either overheat or miss your target completely. At range, the AssHMG excells where the other too fail.
The Burst is a quick firing cannon. Perfect if you have your enemies bottlenecked or if you can take your opponent while they are unaware. The DPS is high with this variant. Where it suffers is the heat. If you notice when someone is using the burst variant, the best thing you can do is circle around them, forcing them to back down or to overheat. The regular variant doesnt overheat as quickly and can take down burst users if you play your gungame just right.
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.09.21 22:29:00 -
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LHughes wrote:Genral69 death wrote:So ill start of by asking you a question Which hmg would you expect you come out on top in cqc, a assault hmg or burst?
Due to the very limited range of the burst hmg id go for that, but sadly that's not the case. The assault hmg out preforms the burst in may ways .
Not sure where I'm going with this and no I'm not asking for the nurf hammer but some actual balance between them Burst is scary on a heavy who can aim, which is rare
Yeah, you guys are cute. Stop bashing on heavies. The AHMG is the only way a heavy can fight back currently. If you can't dance out of their range and take them, then you are doing it wrong. If your argument is that a burst should do better, say that! The burst can barely hit anything, oh and you will be reloading or over heated half the match.
If you want to be butthurt, I will show you my Matari Mando with dual ACRs. That melts faces! Oh, and it actually hits the target. Or I can go get the Amarr Assault and show you a ASCR. That is OP! Get some metrics. The AHMG is not even in the top weapons I bet it ranks out 7 or lower. I might even see the RE above the AHMG, and I butcher guys with it. I just know I am alone.
Guess: Shotgun ASCR SCR Bolt Pistol MD RR AHMG
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REDBACK96USMC
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.21 23:46:00 -
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Running a PC against some super scrubs (I wont call them out here) Sentinal Mk.0 with Burst Solo vs Archdukes with AHMG/Logi... Bump up right stick on contact. Watch heavy melt from Burst to the face. Watch Logi run and chuckle because he is fatter and slower than my Min heavy. Kubo's Scrambler to the back of the head.
The range/accuracy are great for pubs/factional, but they each have their place in the fight.
Now that guy was dumb enough to come around a corner on me negating his advantage, but still.
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Genral69 death
RAT PATROL INC.
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Posted - 2015.09.21 23:50:00 -
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Wtf i give up I'm running pro gal sent with six kin burst + 2 complex heavy damage modes and I'm getting melted by a freedom assault hmg on a Dominus sentinel. (yes I'm using cover)
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.21 23:56:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:Wtf i give up I'm running pro gal sent with six kin burst + 2 complex heavy damage modes and I'm getting melted by a freedom assault hmg on a Dominus sentinel. (yes I'm using cover)
I too run gal sent. Try using the regular variant, dual damage modifiers in your highs, 1 rep, 1 reactive and 1 plate in your lows. Its what I run and I make Dominus sentinel's my b.tch!
Use cover, dance around them, and put that dog in his place!
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.09.22 00:12:00 -
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The assault HMG only prevails in applied DPS among skilled users. The difference comes in the dispersion reduction.
I easily beat burst users with my assault.
I easily beat assault users with my regular HMG.
Many users reverse this and crush me in those scenarios. Those are users that know what they are doing and just have more game or better position than myself.
This comes down to simply understanding their function and manipulating their strengths and weaknesses. I would say that over all the HMG and all of its variants are more balanced than they have ever been.
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Bradric Banewolf
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.09.22 01:21:00 -
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I actually don't see many players run the burst! It's my favorite hmg! So glad to see someone else that likes it!
The assault is extremely dangerous! Personally I think that it was good as it was before, but in usual CCP fashion they over buffed it into a nightmare?! I wouldn't say it's OP.... just misunderstood.
It does 100% dmg to vehicles, which is fine. It does high dmg at a slow rate, and has crazy range.... there's your problem.
HMG's should be high dmg/short range, or low dmg/long range. Giving them both high dmg/long range is a recipe for disaster.
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion No Context
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Posted - 2015.09.22 01:33:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:I actually don't see many players run the burst! It's my favorite hmg! So glad to see someone else that likes it!
The assault is extremely dangerous! Personally I think that it was good as it was before, but in usual CCP fashion they over buffed it into a nightmare?! I wouldn't say it's OP.... just misunderstood.
It does 100% dmg to vehicles, which is fine. It does high dmg at a slow rate, and has crazy range.... there's your problem.
HMG's should be high dmg/short range, or low dmg/long range. Giving them both high dmg/long range is a recipe for disaster.
To get that crazy range though, you need to hold down the trigger so the dispersion becomes tighter, this means you can fire at long range but you run the risk of overheating and leaving yourself vulnerable for 10 seconds.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.09.22 02:14:00 -
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The burst got nerfe a couple times in a row.
I'm not using a heavy weapon where the rule is two or three shots then swap to a sidearm.
I refuse to use any weapon that cannot be reliably used to kill it's intended target.
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CUSE TOWN333
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.09.22 04:29:00 -
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You leave my baby alone. You all ready did your damage with the nerf HMG posts for the past 2 years. Pretty soon my HMG will be shooting marshmallows.
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