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Xeriphem
Glitched Connection
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Posted - 2015.09.21 12:24:00 -
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Sunday morning just prior to downtime I received a hate mail from a teammate following a winning ambush. Something along the lines of "You should try to win the battle instead of useless point collecting, I see no good in you".
The reason... I dunno maybe because I finished third overall in the range of 1200-1300 WP and going 0/2? The two players above and at least one below me (maybe two) had double digit kills with single digit deaths. Something like 15/6, 14/3/ etc.
So, let me get this right. You would rather I go 3/12-14-16 with maybe 8 assists in an ambush instead of keeping the team in the fight with 3 second drop uplinks and a proto rep tool, picking up down teammates with a proto Nanite Injector, and keeping them supplied with ammunition and in good health with proto triage nanohives?
Thanks for your input. I'll keep that in mind next time I'm standing over your proto dropsuit with officer weapons watching you bleed out. I mean after all, heaven forbid YOU should contribute to my USELESS point gathering.
I'm WHERE?!
"If you're playing fair, you're not doing it right!" - Jenza Aranda
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2015.09.21 12:32:00 -
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That's what happens when people don't think before they send mail. 
My sweet summer is gone.
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Hal P
DUST University
Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2015.09.21 12:32:00 -
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Yet another dumb blueberry who thinks "slaying" is the only thing that can be done in this game. Go Logi Go.
Clones turn to Dust, but knowledge is eternal.
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Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces
Rise Of Legion.
764
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:07:00 -
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That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R |
Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:30:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R
So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it?
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:37:00 -
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Xeriphem wrote:Sunday morning just prior to downtime I received a hate mail from a teammate following a winning ambush. Something along the lines of "You should try to win the battle instead of useless point collecting, I see no good in you".
The reason... I dunno maybe because I finished third overall in the range of 1200-1300 WP and going 0/2? The two players above and at least one below me (maybe two) had double digit kills with single digit deaths. Something like 15/6, 14/3/ etc.
So, let me get this right. You would rather I go 3/12-14-16 with maybe 8 assists in an ambush instead of keeping the team in the fight with 3 second drop uplinks and a proto rep tool, picking up down teammates with a proto Nanite Injector, and keeping them supplied with ammunition and in good health with proto triage nanohives?
Thanks for your input. I'll keep that in mind next time I'm standing over your proto dropsuit with officer weapons watching you bleed out. I mean after all, heaven forbid YOU should contribute to my USELESS point gathering.
Crazy right? Some people are butt hurt over winning. I run logi because it's fun, that just doesn't put my KDR up there. Keep doing what you do. o7 |
Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces
Rise Of Legion.
764
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:44:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it?
nvm maybe we should buff your spelling first |
Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.09.21 14:05:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it? nvm maybe we should buff your spelling first
Yeah because auto correct isn't a thing.
Glad that you had to resort to pointing out typos, I guess even you know that your argument is worthless.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
966
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Posted - 2015.09.21 14:47:00 -
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Been accused of hacking a few times for going 0/0 with 3-4K wp .... Sorry I was busy keeping the guy going 40+-0 alive lol
Solo 
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Cesar Geronimo
DUST University
Ivy League
91
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Posted - 2015.09.21 15:15:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it?
No; just that there has to be better, more analytical metrics to accurately measure player performance than the long outdated KDR... Nevermind the fact that KDR in most cases doesn't give a true accounting of a player's skill, since it is ridiculously easy to rig, pad and/or boost that number, and with today's gamers has become much more of an ends rather than a means... |
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Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces
Rise Of Legion.
764
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Posted - 2015.09.21 15:44:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it? nvm maybe we should buff your spelling first Yeah because auto correct isn't a thing. Glad that you had to resort to pointing out typos, I guess even you know that your argument is worthless.
So you're saying that padding kd is a valid way of aying your good? That's like saying ****** killed 6 million Jews with his bare hands. Do you see the problem? |
maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge
No Context
839
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Posted - 2015.09.21 15:47:00 -
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Didn't realize that being a nurse got you hatemail. Good thing I'm speccing back into logis. I'll get to refill my fountain of tears again.
Dust 514:Plasma is magic.
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
768
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Posted - 2015.09.21 15:57:00 -
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There have always been those that think battles are won with guns.
Then they reload with those of us that bring the ammo.
It's hard to beat up hundreds of armor piercing bullets using only your face...
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
Smart Deploy
814
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:07:00 -
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Cesar Geronimo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it? No; just that there has to be better, more analytical metrics to accurately measure player performance than the long outdated KDR... Nevermind the fact that KDR in most cases doesn't give a true accounting of a player's skill, since it is ridiculously easy to rig, pad and/or boost that number, and with today's gamers has become much more of an ends rather than a means...
I don't think any metric can be used to really assess someone's skill in this game. Most people seem to run in squads which will make them appear to be a lot better than they really are. |
Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
133
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:24:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it? nvm maybe we should buff your spelling first Yeah because auto correct isn't a thing. Glad that you had to resort to pointing out typos, I guess even you know that your argument is worthless. So you're saying that padding kd is a valid way of aying your good? That's like saying ****** killed 6 million Jews with his bare hands. Do you see the problem?
Saying something is a valid metric is not the same as saying that having a high k/d means you are good.
What it means is that like any other stat is can be helpful in assessing someone when used in concert with other information.
Your spurious Hilter reference shows you lack enough sophistication to grasp that. Your comparison is completely invalid, because not only do you not follow the correct analogy( Hilter hadma great K/D, therefore he was a good player), but you are also attempting to poison the well with such a reference.
So -1 to you for not only making a bad reference, but for blatantly being fallacious about it.
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:29:00 -
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Cesar Geronimo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it? No; just that there has to be better, more analytical metrics to accurately measure player performance than the long outdated KDR... Nevermind the fact that KDR in most cases doesn't give a true accounting of a player's skill, since it is ridiculously easy to rig, pad and/or boost that number, and with today's gamers has become much more of an ends rather than a means...
So because it isn't a useful stat on its own we should just remove it?
This is a fixed player count lobby shooter, and being able to kill your opponent counts more than most other things. Some people may not like that, but it is a pretty hard fact. There are exceptions, but those prove the rule rather than negate it.
In any scenario where you have two identical logis, the one who can slay better is the one you want in your PC team, because they are better than the guy who can only rep or slap down hives.
K/D is not the be all end all of stats, but it does matter. People who say it doesn't are ignorant of the game rules.
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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LHughes
Ancient Exiles.
468
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:31:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it? nvm maybe we should buff your spelling first Yeah because auto correct isn't a thing. Glad that you had to resort to pointing out typos, I guess even you know that your argument is worthless. So you're saying that padding kd is a valid way of aying your good? That's like saying ****** killed 6 million Jews with his bare hands. Do you see the problem?
I think everyone knows killing jews is a problem.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
966
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:35:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Cesar Geronimo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it? No; just that there has to be better, more analytical metrics to accurately measure player performance than the long outdated KDR... Nevermind the fact that KDR in most cases doesn't give a true accounting of a player's skill, since it is ridiculously easy to rig, pad and/or boost that number, and with today's gamers has become much more of an ends rather than a means... I don't think any metric can be used to really assess someone's skill in this game. Most people seem to run in squads which will make them appear to be a lot better than they really are.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
1
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:39:00 -
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You have to understand that children also play this game. There is no age limit. Some of them are over the age of 20.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:45:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:
So you're saying that padding kd is a valid way of aying your good? That's like saying ****** killed 6 million Jews with his bare hands. Do you see the problem?
I think everyone knows killing jews is a problem.
One does not simply kill 6 million jews. Oh waitGǪ
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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argel999
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:53:00 -
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Xeriphem wrote:Sunday morning just prior to downtime I received a hate mail from a teammate following a winning ambush. Something along the lines of "You should try to win the battle instead of useless point collecting, I see no good in you".
The reason... I dunno maybe because I finished third overall in the range of 1200-1300 WP and going 0/2? The two players above and at least one below me (maybe two) had double digit kills with single digit deaths. Something like 15/6, 14/3/ etc.
So, let me get this right. You would rather I go 3/12-14-16 with maybe 8 assists in an ambush instead of keeping the team in the fight with 3 second drop uplinks and a proto rep tool, picking up down teammates with a proto Nanite Injector, and keeping them supplied with ammunition and in good health with proto triage nanohives?
Thanks for your input. I'll keep that in mind next time I'm standing over your proto dropsuit with officer weapons watching you bleed out. I mean after all, heaven forbid YOU should contribute to my USELESS point gathering.
Some people don't think about the Logi's Team Help (and ur K/D sacrifice to keep that team fighting up), just ignore those nabs.
...SLAYER...
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
1
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:53:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Cesar Geronimo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it? No; just that there has to be better, more analytical metrics to accurately measure player performance than the long outdated KDR... Nevermind the fact that KDR in most cases doesn't give a true accounting of a player's skill, since it is ridiculously easy to rig, pad and/or boost that number, and with today's gamers has become much more of an ends rather than a means... So because it isn't a useful stat on its own we should just remove it? This is a fixed player count lobby shooter, and being able to kill your opponent counts more than most other things. Some people may not like that, but it is a pretty hard fact. There are exceptions, but those prove the rule rather than negate it. In any scenario where you have two identical logis, the one who can slay better is the one you want in your PC team, because they are better than the guy who can only rep or slap down hives. K/D is not the be all end all of stats, but it does matter. People who say it doesn't are ignorant of the game rules.
Yeah folks, there are rules! Also, no. Reducing this game to just killing is what ruins it. I want the guy on my team who does his job with his role. Let the assaults and commandos do the killing. I want the heavy guarding the point, the logi repping or seeing who needs repping or keeping the links refreshed. I want the scout scouting. I want the MD guy or tank performing area of denial.
Killing is incidental to this game and the bigger picture. Even in ambush you win because of all the other factors at play that allow you to keep you assaults and heavies up and in an advantageous position so they can kill.
The problwm with this game is it is way to easy foe people to see it as just a simple run and gun thing because that is what matches can easily get reduced to.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx
XxAMBUSH FTWxX
689
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:06:00 -
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Xeriphem wrote:Sunday morning just prior to downtime I received a hate mail from a teammate following a winning ambush. Something along the lines of "You should try to win the battle instead of useless point collecting, I see no good in you".
The reason... I dunno maybe because I finished third overall in the range of 1200-1300 WP and going 0/2? The two players above and at least one below me (maybe two) had double digit kills with single digit deaths. Something like 15/6, 14/3/ etc.
So, let me get this right. You would rather I go 3/12-14-16 with maybe 8 assists in an ambush instead of keeping the team in the fight with 3 second drop uplinks and a proto rep tool, picking up down teammates with a proto Nanite Injector, and keeping them supplied with ammunition and in good health with proto triage nanohives?
Thanks for your input. I'll keep that in mind next time I'm standing over your proto dropsuit with officer weapons watching you bleed out. I mean after all, heaven forbid YOU should contribute to my USELESS point gathering.
Being a logi in this game is by far the most thankless job to occupy in dust. How often people forget that the reason they win some, often most times is by resting on the back of that one guy who can save and sustain life in the most costly of circumstances.
You sir, are an unsung hero. o7
LOGi GOD // Master of Healers // Director of Ambush FTW // GF-FA-NF Alumni Directorate
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
129
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:26:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Press Attache wrote:Cesar Geronimo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:That right there is the reason dust doesn't deserve to have a K/D R So a valid metric should be thrown out because some noon doesn't understand it? No; just that there has to be better, more analytical metrics to accurately measure player performance than the long outdated KDR... Nevermind the fact that KDR in most cases doesn't give a true accounting of a player's skill, since it is ridiculously easy to rig, pad and/or boost that number, and with today's gamers has become much more of an ends rather than a means... So because it isn't a useful stat on its own we should just remove it? This is a fixed player count lobby shooter, and being able to kill your opponent counts more than most other things. Some people may not like that, but it is a pretty hard fact. There are exceptions, but those prove the rule rather than negate it. In any scenario where you have two identical logis, the one who can slay better is the one you want in your PC team, because they are better than the guy who can only rep or slap down hives. K/D is not the be all end all of stats, but it does matter. People who say it doesn't are ignorant of the game rules. Yeah folks, there are rules! Also, no. Reducing this game to just killing is what ruins it. I want the guy on my team who does his job with his role. Let the assaults and commandos do the killing. I want the heavy guarding the point, the logi repping or seeing who needs repping or keeping the links refreshed. I want the scout scouting. I want the MD guy or tank performing area of denial. Killing is incidental to this game and the bigger picture. Even in ambush you win because of all the other factors at play that allow you to keep you assaults and heavies up and in an advantageous position so they can kill. The problwm with this game is it is way to easy foe people to see it as just a simple run and gun thing because that is what matches can easily get reduced to.
Killing is not incidental to the game, it is integral. There is no game mode that is won by the most resupplies or the most reps given, or the most revives. Those actions all help, and their contribution can be great, but the fact remains that killing matters. It isn't everything, and I explicitly stated that, but the t does matter.
It's funny that you mention ambush with a horrible argument.
What are the conditions for winning ambush?
Killing the enemy clones before they kill yours. Logis telling and reviving help, but if you can't kill, all the reps in the world don't mean squat. You seem to not even grasp that, which is kind of sad.
So, once again, killing matters, k/d matters. They are not the only thing, but they are critical to success.
BTW, when I say in the post that you quote that killing is not the end of the discussion, but it matters, and the some sentence of your response tries to mischaracterize my response as killing is the only thing you show that you didn't even read my post, you just saw something you didn't like and formed a response to an argument I didn't even make.
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Xeriphem
Glitched Connection
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:30:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:In any scenario where you have two identical logis, the one who can slay better is the one you want in your PC team, because they are better than the guy who can only rep or slap down hives.
I agree with this statement in the case of PC. But in pubs, that are supposed to be for fun, not-so-much. In FW, to a slightly higher degree I tend to agree, but just like in pubs, not-so-much.
I'm WHERE?!
"If you're playing fair, you're not doing it right!" - Jenza Aranda
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
129
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:37:00 -
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Xeriphem wrote:Press Attache wrote:In any scenario where you have two identical logis, the one who can slay better is the one you want in your PC team, because they are better than the guy who can only rep or slap down hives. I agree with this statement in the case of PC. But in pubs, that are supposed to be for fun, not-so-much. In FW, to a slightly higher degree I tend to agree, but just like in pubs, not-so-much.
I think it matters more in pubs, where you can only bring 3 people with you.
Let's say we have two Logis, both really nice people, great team players. The only difference between them is one can kill and the other one has no gungame. If you only have one slot in squad left, who do you choose? I would take the guy who can get kills, because if he is the last guy alive he can kill the threat and revive everyone, or throw down a juicy link for the squad.
Now if I have to choose between a douche who is a slayer and a buddy who is horrid but a great person, I'll pick the nice person, but that is not based on skills, but attitude.
But in like for like situation where both people are identical aside from gungame, only someone who wants to lose would take the objectively worse logi.
Would you disagree?
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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Xeriphem
Glitched Connection
84
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:51:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Xeriphem wrote:Press Attache wrote:In any scenario where you have two identical logis, the one who can slay better is the one you want in your PC team, because they are better than the guy who can only rep or slap down hives. I agree with this statement in the case of PC. But in pubs, that are supposed to be for fun, not-so-much. In FW, to a slightly higher degree I tend to agree, but just like in pubs, not-so-much. I think it matters more in pubs, where you can only bring 3 people with you. Let's say we have two Logis, both really nice people, great team players. The only difference between them is one can kill and the other one has no gungame. If you only have one slot in squad left, who do you choose? I would take the guy who can get kills, because if he is the last guy alive he can kill the threat and revive everyone, or throw down a juicy link for the squad. Now if I have to choose between a douche who is a slayer and a buddy who is horrid but a great person, I'll pick the nice person, but that is not based on skills, but attitude. But in like for like situation where both people are identical aside from gungame, only someone who wants to lose would take the objectively worse logi. Would you disagree?
No I would not disagree in a situation like that.
This is a slightly different scenario though. I was running solo that morning before any corp mates were online and playing. I wanted to get a few matches in before downtime.
This mail came from someone I didn't know. Not even sure if I did or did not do something for him. In my opinion he was probably upset because I took "his" third place spot without getting as many or more kills than him. But I don't know that for sure, just conjecture at this point.
I didn't take the time to look and see where he finished in the standings. This match ended about 15 minutes before the top of the hour and the start of downtime (6:00 AM I my case) and I wanted to get another ambush going before I ran out of time.
I'm WHERE?!
"If you're playing fair, you're not doing it right!" - Jenza Aranda
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
No Context
1
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Posted - 2015.09.21 18:10:00 -
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As a big boned slayer who should really lay off the donuts, I just want to say thank you OP for keeping my fat ass alive. And a thank you to all the other squishy little friends that throw leashes on me.
Combat and Logistics Officer of T-W-L
I demand Cookies and a Plasma Flamethrower!
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Xeriphem
Glitched Connection
84
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Posted - 2015.09.21 18:12:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:As a big boned slayer who should really lay off the donuts, I just want to say thank you OP for keeping my fat ass alive. And a thank you to all the other squishy little friends that throw leashes on me.
You're more than welcome. 
I'm WHERE?!
"If you're playing fair, you're not doing it right!" - Jenza Aranda
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Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces
Rise Of Legion.
761
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Posted - 2015.09.21 18:19:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Xeriphem wrote:Press Attache wrote:In any scenario where you have two identical logis, the one who can slay better is the one you want in your PC team, because they are better than the guy who can only rep or slap down hives. I agree with this statement in the case of PC. But in pubs, that are supposed to be for fun, not-so-much. In FW, to a slightly higher degree I tend to agree, but just like in pubs, not-so-much. I think it matters more in pubs, where you can only bring 3 people with you. Let's say we have two Logis, both really nice people, great team players. The only difference between them is one can kill and the other one has no gungame. If you only have one slot in squad left, who do you choose? I would take the guy who can get kills, because if he is the last guy alive he can kill the threat and revive everyone, or throw down a juicy link for the squad. Now if I have to choose between a douche who is a slayer and a buddy who is horrid but a great person, I'll pick the nice person, but that is not based on skills, but attitude. But in like for like situation where both people are identical aside from gungame, only someone who wants to lose would take the objectively worse logi. Would you disagree?
the hypocrite and spelling errors are strong with this one...
If that logi has his gun out and is stealing kills from you he is not repping you to keep you alive therefore id take the logi that is doing his job and running the 3 r's at least not running around trying to kill people.
Secondly I'd take the ******* and mute him that's what we used to do with champeen dillon when he was squadded with us. He might be an ******* but at least he can be a distraction for me to run behind the enemy and hack the point while they're dealing with him. |
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