I think it's balanced. Scouts with 1 damp can avoid all but focused scans. Scouts are the only ones that should even worry about scans. And damps can beat scans anyways. Fit more damps and the focused can't do anything.

It takes two damps on a Minmatar or Amarr scout to avoid all but focussed scans.

Only the Gallente scout can avoid Gal logi focussed scan without an active cloak. With the addition of decloak delay, cloak blindness and the nerf to activation times, scouts need to spend a lot of time decloaked, particularly when going on the offensive. So the cloak is no longer a terribly viable means of dampening.

I disagree that only scouts need to worry about scans. Often it is useful for other suits, particularly assaults, to avoid scans.

I also disagree that you need to be able to scan a scout (or any other suit) in order for it to be balanced. Though I accept that this is the purpose of the focussed scanner, and I'm not against a option to combat stealth suits with highly precise scans. So long as there is sufficient trade-off for the increased precision.

Scouts being OP in 1.8 had little to do with them more easily hiding from scans than now, and much more to do with all the myriad of other nerfs since then.

The systems are in place for counter-play between scanning and stealth. The question is, is it balanced? Are the trade-offs set at a level that encourages varied play styles.

In my opinion it comes down to two questions.

Question 1: Is the required level of dampening to avoid non-focussed scans a balanced trade-off? Currently it takes 3 (out of 8) slots for an assault, and 2 (or 1 if bonused) slots (out of 6) for a scout. Would 2 slots (assaults) and 1 or 0 (scouts) be a more worthwhile trade for the benefit you gain, and therefore promote more varied fittings and combat styles? Or would it be OP? This could be achieved by swapping the Gal logi bonus from precision to cooldown reduction, for example.

Question 2: Assuming a focussed scanner (Gal-Logi, or otherwise) has the precision to detect pretty much anybody, are the downsides to using this over a different scanner sufficient? Would they still be sufficient if other scanners were nerfed like in question 1? Would/is it sufficiently worthwhile playing the stealth/damped game, whilst still being scannable by focussed scanners in their current state? Do the drawbacks need to be increased? I suggest nerfing the range to 50m, but buffing the precision down to 15db if the Gal logi precision bonus replaced. Would that improve balance, or render focussed scanners obsolete?

I think it's balanced. Scouts with 1 damp can avoid all but focused scans. Scouts are the only ones that should even worry about scans. And damps can beat scans anyways. Fit more damps and the focused can't do anything.

Potential alternative to Q1:
Keep profile, precision and dampener investment levels in place. Tune active scan mechanics such that "up time" becomes less prolific and more active effort and risk exposure are required on the part of the operator.

I suggest nerfing the range to 50m, but buffing the precision down to 15db if the Gal logi precision bonus replaced. Would that improve balance, or render focussed scanners obsolete?

How about showing the guy scanning also on the enemy radar? I mean he is emitting such a strong electromagnetic wave (or whatever wave scanners emit) that other suits should be able to detect him as soons he uses the scanner. With that you could the the guy scanning you and you would be able to hunt him down or try avoiding him..
Maybe a dumb IDE..idk it just came up in my mind

Edit- you want to balance this stuff????!!!!!

INCREASE CLOAK DAMP BONUS. Honestly it shouldn't take more than 1 damp. The moment it does, you sacrifice your whole suits effectiveness. The cloak should be buffed.

Edit- you want to balance this stuff????!!!!!

INCREASE CLOAK DAMP BONUS. Honestly it shouldn't take more than 1 damp. The moment it does, you sacrifice your whole suits effectiveness. The cloak should be buffed.

Lol get a load of this guy!

Anywho, every scout except the Minmatar can get under the focused, if I remember correctly.

My earlier post explains the situation. It's at the start so you don't have to read all of it.

Edit- you want to balance this stuff????!!!!!

INCREASE CLOAK DAMP BONUS. Honestly it shouldn't take more than 1 damp. The moment it does, you sacrifice your whole suits effectiveness. The cloak should be buffed.

Come on Tesfa, profile dampeners do reduce combat effectiveness, they take up a module slot.

Saxonmish is annoyed that he has to fit 3 damps on his assault to hide, as are plenty of others. There really isn't much difference between a dampened scout and a dampened assault. Look at these fits for comparison:

1) Make them active (see vehicle scans)
2) All equiped scanners should share one "use" (once used all equiped scanners go on cooldown)

It's about perma scanning and how you are free (scan and then you can do other thing while everything lights up like on Christmas) after scanning, not the ability to scan.

Not sure what are we try to achieve on this thread, but allow me to correct some information and give out my opinion.



- Every Scout with two dampeners can beat all scanners on all suits, except on the Duvolle focused on the Gallente Logi. Otherwise no active scan can pick you up.
[To be correct, you need 2 complex damp + skill lv5 on scout to beat all active scan except focus scan on gal logi]


- Scouts need an ewar counter that isnt other scouts. However, in order to catch the suits with the lowest profile, you will catch anything that is higher than a scout. So all medium and heavy frames gets detected.
[ I don't see any point on this statement ]



- Passive scans are shared with a squad and are permanently active.
[Passive scans are shared with the whole team. Here is a prove from CCP Rat ]

Have you played PC lately??? Scouts do not need a buff.

Scouts are way overpowered with myos broken the way they are. They can close the gap on your passive sensors in a single jump as a gal scout while firing their shotgun twice. Zero suits in the game can detect them doing it until you are already either dead or one more shot from it. If anything until myos get fixed stronger passive detection is needed. Its fair when they have to run at you so you have some time to react not when they jump switch to shotty midair and back shoot you twice before they are even a red dot on your screen. Scouts are for scouting so maybe its time they got back to doing that instead of being invisible shotgun assaults. I don't mid a scout being able to defend itself, but scouts should not regularly be trying to 1v1 assaults and heavies. Couple this with 600+ melee damage.....

Nah, even as guy that runs scouts about 30% of the time I can tell you right now they are a little out of alignment with their role. Too much DPS an not enough risk. If you want to get up behind a guy it should be a matter of strategic play not simply mashing cloak. Killing the unobservant is one thing, killing everyone is the definition out of balance.