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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2015.09.16 12:24:00 -
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- Gallente are ewar specialists. The best at detection and the best at evading detection.
- Every Scout with two dampeners can beat all scanners on all suits, except on the Duvolle focused on the Gallente Logi. Otherwise no active scan can pick you up.
- Every medium frame can beat every Adv scanner and standard scanner.
- The Gallente logi with the duvolle focused scanner can pick up all of the scouts except the Gallente scout.
- Every scout can get under the medium and long range passive scans of all suits except the Amarr scout.
- Scouts need an ewar counter that isnt other scouts. However, in order to catch the suits with the lowest profile, you will catch anthing that is higher than a scout. So all medium and heavy frames gets detected.
- Active scanning tells players they have been detected, but could be anywhere between 100 - 200 meters away. On many maps, this is the majority of the battlefield between the redlines.
- Passive scans allow players to see through walls just as well as active scans, but at much shorter ranges. It doesn't tell players they have been detected.
- Active scans are shared with a team and are active a short period of time.
- Passive scans are shared with a squad and are permanently active.
I know ewar is getting a rebalance, but these are some objective facts about scans and the relationship between them and opposing players.
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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2015.09.16 17:18:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Edit- you want to balance this stuff????!!!!!
INCREASE CLOAK DAMP BONUS. Honestly it shouldn't take more than 1 damp. The moment it does, you sacrifice your whole suits effectiveness. The cloak should be buffed.
I disagree with the notion that damps decrease combat effectiveness.
My standard Min scout fits 2 complex damps, complex code codebreaker, 3 enhanced shield extenders, Ishukone nova knives and an AR-18 cloak. 18 db profile.
I change out the codebreaker for an advanced ferroscale plate, now i have a 432 hp suit that can one hit kill anyone, undetectable to all but the amarr scout and the duvolle focused scanner on a Gal logi. Provided i dont walk straight into troulbe, i can ambush most any suit in the game.
I can plant a shotgun on there instead, and really cause some trouble.
The problem as i understand, regarding players who are primarily scouts, is that once they are picked up by a gal logi witha duvolle scanner, they show up to the entire enemy team. The idea behind scouts are that they are stealthy and picking and choosing you battles, you can always take a different route. It is much more difficult if you are lit up to 16 players rather than a squad of 4.
How those guys play rather is the invisible light assault. Low hp doesnt matter if you always shoot first, and the enemy never sees you coming. It works most of the time, because the Ewar and high alpha strikes are 9 times out of 10 on the scouts side. But when it stops working vs a duvolle focused on a gallente logi, they are on the losing side of ewar, and must change thier tactics.
Thats the trade off of being a specialist suit. Once your speciality is countered, you have to adapt or die. Some fits are pure speed, others are raw HP and remotes. Scouts can still be very combat effective withiout dampening. Difficult, and the most unreasonable difficulties need to be adresses. For me its the 200 m scan range. 70% of scanner qq, in my eyes, is whine, without any thought as too why the meta is the way it is, and a balanced move forward.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2015.09.17 00:39:00 -
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RedPencil wrote:Not sure what are we try to achieve on this thread, but allow me to correct some information and give out my opinion.
- Every Scout with two dampeners can beat all scanners on all suits, except on the Duvolle focused on the Gallente Logi. Otherwise no active scan can pick you up. [To be correct, you need 2 complex damp + skill lv5 on scout to beat all active scan except focus scan on gal logi] - Scouts need an ewar counter that isnt other scouts. However, in order to catch the suits with the lowest profile, you will catch anything that is higher than a scout. So all medium and heavy frames gets detected. [ I don't see any point on this statement ] - Passive scans are shared with a squad and are permanently active. [Passive scans are shared with the whole team. Here is a prove from CCP Rat ]
Just to answer the above points.
I put this thread together have a solid basis for future discussions. They should be based on the meta objectivley instead of the usual anectdotal qq such as "scans are OP Nerf them" or "scans are just fine"
1st statement, The lowest profile scanern, the Duvolle focused scan picks up 20 db and up. Only with the gal logi does it go down to 15 db. My level 3 gallente scout with two damps runs at 16 db. My level 5 min scout runs at 18 db. Bear in mind it is the only scout that has no ewar bonus.
You do not need a proto scout to beat all scanners. You do need 2 complex damps on a scout suit. 2 complex damps is enough to beat every scanner except the duvolle focused on a gal logi. A duvolle focused on all other suits will never pick you up.
2nd statement, its important that medium and heavy suits are brought up because thats the overwhelming majority of people who are scanned, and will see the "you have been scanned" far more often than scouts. They can be picked up by any suit, and almost any tier of active scanner will find them.
3rd statment: Passive scans are not shared with the team. I have already seen the link, and rattati says right above the chart that its a work in progress (WIP).
Otherwise, glad to see we agree on so many points.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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