Or we could stop tracking stats all together and begin tracking moose.

Funny but that undergrad degree in computer science hanging on my office wall makes me laugh at your ignorance. 20 minutes and done. Its not hard to stop items from tracking or posting. Sorry you like the pet stat but it has no place on a money based Roleplaying FPS. Obviously the vast majority of responders seem to like this for a reason. Because guys like you who only worry about one play style are killing the game on many levels. I love shooting as well, but the game is not won by simply slaying.

Do you see K/D on eve???

Do you see K/D on eve???

If you want a new and representative ratio, create the WP/battle ratio. WPs are what really defines the efficiency of a player by killing, hacking, "logiing", etc.. and are the sats that we should care more about ^^ And it doesn't have any cons !

The players that worship the KD stat and are hostile towards those players that recognize the true diversity and complexity of viable play styles in DUST, these people will not be swayed...they are young radicals who are effective at the small wedge of game experience they excel in.

Dust needs slayers. Keep these guys at the front and focused on the color red. You get them posting on forums and great drama and confusion ensues. Only 26 letters in the alphabet but slayers use less than 15 on average. Don't get them riled up on forums please.

I love the proposal for tracking isk efficiency and WP/clone. That would be amazing for the game. WP/clone, I believe, more closely mirrors MU than KDr ever will.

Just don't get the fear and defensiveness stirred up amongst the slayer class. They really think they run dust and they'll rage quit if they believe they're not first in the lunchline.

Seems to me that one way to stop stat padding is to start actually tracking stats that matter. K/D has no effect on the actual game and in fact promotes very bad behavior. It is also a terrible measure of player effectiveness. ISK efficiency, however, gives a very clear picture of what as mercenaries we should be most concerned about. IS THE PLAYER MAKING MONEY???

Even as a CEO you would want guys that generate higher ISK amounts for corp taxes. It does no good to have a guy that goes 2:1 K/D, but in real games that's 10/5 and losing 350K ISK per game if they are running proto and still losing money even if its just advanced . Even 3:1 or 4:1 does not matter if you have to burn 2 million in proto gear to achieve it. I am just confused why we are tracking the wrong stat or why one that has no bearing on the game is even tracked.

Not tracking K/D takes out incentives to pad K/D in pubs through stomping/syncing, gives less incentive to only redline snipe, and makes running proto a risk even for people with way too much money. It also makes a lot more sense flavor wise. We are mercenaries. Our cash flow is our most important feature.

Even WP per death would be a better metric than K/D. I have pondered this for a long time and thought I would just mention it here.

This isn't a money based roleplaying anything.

It is a lobby shooter with some economics playing in the background. Ever since the apex suits came out isk efficiency means almost nothing.

And yes the game is won by slaying. If you can't kill the proto squad near the objective, no amount of isk efficiency is going to get you the win.

I get your point though, you can't slay, so you want to remove it as a metric to not feel bad about yourself. Just buy an apex suit and laugh at your isk efficiency compared to those playing to win.

Edit: Of course you see k\d in eve. In fact it was so important to players they built their own websites for it with all data.

You can't talk down to people talking about k/d when you generate a measly 148 wp every time you die. Considering you have a sub .6 k\d, I expected a lot more wp out of you.

The OP is better with his k/d, but his wp/d output is even worse than yours.

For people jabbering about how other stats matter more, you guys both have crap stats in every category.

I used to do nothing but mcc afk to farm SP before uprising launched and I play 90% of my matches solo, but I still have win loss ratios that eclipse both of you.

All the stats matter, and you both have stats that would make people question what you actually being to the table.

Why just why?
Surly you know if you make profit in a match so why on earth would you need it to show up in stats, don't get me wrong its not a bad idea but there's nothing wrong with kdr so why bothering replacing it with something .

For anyone about to abuse me of being a kdr padder , I honestly would say I enjoy looking at my kdr going up as competition between friends but id say I'm not a padder as I look at the risk of the situation. Not weather my kd would go up but weather its worth the risk. Is it worth the isk taking on several people on at once just for a possible hack (this often relies on green/blue support)

I love the idea of ISK efficiency

+1

Honestly, isk efficiency is a side note when compared to winning.

PC for example cares NOTHING about ISK efficiency, it's about winning match. If you think somehow ISK efficiency will affect the outcome of pubs, I'll flat out tell you yr dead wrong.

So now you go people running lesser gear or sniping in the redline to improve their isk efficiency rating, or avoid conflict all together rather than pushing for a win.

It's no different from KD/R and would lead to the same results. While it would be a cool stat, it would do nothing for the game as a whole. Would just be another stat people could strive for, the same way they strive for high KD/R and in the same ways.

Kills/Assists/Deaths

Replace with ISK USED/ISK DESTROYED/ISK GAINED.

This would solve a lot of player raging.

ISK used: how much equipment you have purchased since the fight started. Basically how much money you have lost.

ISK destroyed: how much ISK you have caused the enemy to use.

ISK gained: how much ISK your making by destroying the enemy and either winning or losing fights.

With this system you won't have nearly as much rage quitting as you have now because it doesn't matter how much you die or kill, it matters how much profit you make.

Seems to me that one way to stop stat padding is to start actually tracking stats that matter. K/D has no effect on the actual game and in fact promotes very bad behavior. It is also a terrible measure of player effectiveness. ISK efficiency, however, gives a very clear picture of what as mercenaries we should be most concerned about. IS THE PLAYER MAKING MONEY???

Even as a CEO you would want guys that generate higher ISK amounts for corp taxes. It does no good to have a guy that goes 2:1 K/D, but in real games that's 10/5 and losing 350K ISK per game if they are running proto and still losing money even if its just advanced . Even 3:1 or 4:1 does not matter if you have to burn 2 million in proto gear to achieve it. I am just confused why we are tracking the wrong stat or why one that has no bearing on the game is even tracked.

Not tracking K/D takes out incentives to pad K/D in pubs through stomping/syncing, gives less incentive to only redline snipe, and makes running proto a risk even for people with way too much money. It also makes a lot more sense flavor wise. We are mercenaries. Our cash flow is our most important feature.

Even WP per death would be a better metric than K/D. I have pondered this for a long time and thought I would just mention it here.

After some thinking:
ISK per War Point would seem to be a really good metric. It rewards all play styles, and dissuades dying or going try hard all the time. It also means if you want to run proto all the time no problem, but you better contribute WPs to the team and not die often. Otherwise, you will not find yourself stroking your ego on the leader board.

Some roles destroy very little, so an ISK/WP ratio seems to be a really good metric. If you slay a lot and die little in reasonable suits you can easily look good. Same goes for guys that rep, hack, drop links. Do more and die less; then you get a great score. Go 20/4 in full proto get a negative score for losing ISK. Seems like it would reinforce positive game play and flavor. It even stops the 1/14 logi from seeming good as well. You have to balance costs with rewards.

Funny because I'm looking at your stats and you are wrong on all accounts...
You realize we can look those up too right? You are some guy's terrible alt... I hope.
In any event try reading the landslide of posts on this thread, maybe the two brain cells you are working with will digest the general topic. No one says you win games without slaying, its just that being the only stat that is really tracked gives players the wrong impression of what matters and how to play the game. Winning and Cash flow are the metrics that should matter. You as a Merc care about cash flow and the people who contract you should care about wins. Right now there is a disconnect between the game and the flavor of the game. Its a Roleplaying FPS with an economy, so tracking stats the way tradional FPSs do makes no sense. K/D is also a terrible metric of how effective you actually are in a match. I can start a sniper alt tomorrow and in two weeks be 25x K/D. Does that mean I'm god at the game? Hell no, I may be a danger to anyone on high ground, but I am zero danger to any objective. Same for just pawn camping or flank camping. The point is for CCp to start actually using metrics that matter and incent positive team based game play. K/D does not incentivize you to actually participate in the battle. Its better for your K/D to roof camp/snipe/hold fire to KS/never hack an objective/red line tank/etc. The point of this discussion is to start using a stat that makes people want to play in a more holistic and inclusive way. Sorry you are butt hurt about a discussion, but grow up and try to actually add something to a topic or stay quite so you don't look as dumb as you have so far on this thread.

How do I tell how many times I've died? Because when I'm going hard I want to know how many suits I lost with estimated isk loss to adjust to lower tiers or not trying the rest of the match.

Risk / reward is out of balance. Which created the problem we're in now.

I'm not going to bother reading all that and I'm just going to reply to your topic because it's silly.


It's one of many stats that every merc has to keep track of their progress and game play. It's silly to care enough about to it try and artificially inflate the number, but you have to understand, if it was all about WP then you'd see nothing but logi's and who wants to go into a match with 16 logis trying to out rep the other 16 logis.

Fact of the mater is, if your "that" kind of gamer, your going to try to pad what ever the current hot stat is to make yourself look good. It's as pointless as trying to get people to stop being so selfish.


The status is supposed to be there so you can keep track of your personal progress to see if you have improved and get a better idea of how well you do in battle.

Look at any competition and you will see people doing what ever they can to get a little above everyone else, why do you think steroids are popular in sports?