DUST Search - Why not drop K/D and replace it with ISK efficiency?

BARAGAMOS wrote:

Press Attache wrote:

howard sanchez wrote:

The players that worship the KD stat and are hostile towards those players that recognize the true diversity and complexity of viable play styles in DUST, these people will not be swayed...they are young radicals who are effective at the small wedge of game experience they excel in.

Dust needs slayers. Keep these guys at the front and focused on the color red. You get them posting on forums and great drama and confusion ensues. Only 26 letters in the alphabet but slayers use less than 15 on average. Don't get them riled up on forums please.

I love the proposal for tracking isk efficiency and WP/clone. That would be amazing for the game. WP/clone, I believe, more closely mirrors MU than KDr ever will.

Just don't get the fear and defensiveness stirred up amongst the slayer class. They really think they run dust and they'll rage quit if they believe they're not first in the lunchline.

You can't talk down to people talking about k/d when you generate a measly 148 wp every time you die. Considering you have a sub .6 k\d, I expected a lot more wp out of you.

The OP is better with his k/d, but his wp/d output is even worse than yours.

For people jabbering about how other stats matter more, you guys both have crap stats in every category.

I used to do nothing but mcc afk to farm SP before uprising launched and I play 90% of my matches solo, but I still have win loss ratios that eclipse both of you.

All the stats matter, and you both have stats that would make people question what you actually being to the table.

Funny because I'm looking at your stats and you are wrong on all accounts...
You realize we can look those up too right? You are some guy's terrible alt... I hope.
In any event try reading the landslide of posts on this thread, maybe the two brain cells you are working with will digest the general topic. No one says you win games without slaying, its just that being the only stat that is really tracked gives players the wrong impression of what matters and how to play the game. Winning and Cash flow are the metrics that should matter. You as a Merc care about cash flow and the people who contract you should care about wins. Right now there is a disconnect between the game and the flavor of the game. Its a Roleplaying FPS with an economy, so tracking stats the way tradional FPSs do makes no sense. K/D is also a terrible metric of how effective you actually are in a match. I can start a sniper alt tomorrow and in two weeks be 25x K/D. Does that mean I'm god at the game? Hell no, I may be a danger to anyone on high ground, but I am zero danger to any objective. Same for just pawn camping or flank camping. The point is for CCp to start actually using metrics that matter and incent positive team based game play. K/D does not incentivize you to actually participate in the battle. Its better for your K/D to roof camp/snipe/hold fire to KS/never hack an objective/red line tank/etc. The point of this discussion is to start using a stat that makes people want to play in a more holistic and inclusive way. Sorry you are butt hurt about a discussion, but grow up and try to actually add something to a topic or stay quite so you don't look as dumb as you have so far on this thread.


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Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 21	Posted - 2015.09.10 13:36:00 - [1] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Funny but that undergrad degree in computer science hanging on my office wall makes me laugh at your ignorance. 20 minutes and done. Its not hard to stop items from tracking or posting. Sorry you like the pet stat but it has no place on a money based Roleplaying FPS. Obviously the vast majority of responders seem to like this for a reason. Because guys like you who only worry about one play style are killing the game on many levels. I love shooting as well, but the game is not won by simply slaying. Do you see K/D on eve??? This isn't a money based roleplaying anything. It is a lobby shooter with some economics playing in the background. Ever since the apex suits came out isk efficiency means almost nothing. And yes the game is won by slaying. If you can't kill the proto squad near the objective, no amount of isk efficiency is going to get you the win. I get your point though, you can't slay, so you want to remove it as a metric to not feel bad about yourself. Just buy an apex suit and laugh at your isk efficiency compared to those playing to win. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 22	Posted - 2015.09.10 15:27:00 - [2] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: The players that worship the KD stat and are hostile towards those players that recognize the true diversity and complexity of viable play styles in DUST, these people will not be swayed...they are young radicals who are effective at the small wedge of game experience they excel in. Dust needs slayers. Keep these guys at the front and focused on the color red. You get them posting on forums and great drama and confusion ensues. Only 26 letters in the alphabet but slayers use less than 15 on average. Don't get them riled up on forums please. I love the proposal for tracking isk efficiency and WP/clone. That would be amazing for the game. WP/clone, I believe, more closely mirrors MU than KDr ever will. Just don't get the fear and defensiveness stirred up amongst the slayer class. They really think they run dust and they'll rage quit if they believe they're not first in the lunchline. You can't talk down to people talking about k/d when you generate a measly 148 wp every time you die. Considering you have a sub .6 k\d, I expected a lot more wp out of you. The OP is better with his k/d, but his wp/d output is even worse than yours. For people jabbering about how other stats matter more, you guys both have crap stats in every category. I used to do nothing but mcc afk to farm SP before uprising launched and I play 90% of my matches solo, but I still have win loss ratios that eclipse both of you. All the stats matter, and you both have stats that would make people question what you actually being to the table. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 23	Posted - 2015.09.10 22:18:00 - [3] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: Press Attache wrote: howard sanchez wrote: The players that worship the KD stat and are hostile towards those players that recognize the true diversity and complexity of viable play styles in DUST, these people will not be swayed...they are young radicals who are effective at the small wedge of game experience they excel in. Dust needs slayers. Keep these guys at the front and focused on the color red. You get them posting on forums and great drama and confusion ensues. Only 26 letters in the alphabet but slayers use less than 15 on average. Don't get them riled up on forums please. I love the proposal for tracking isk efficiency and WP/clone. That would be amazing for the game. WP/clone, I believe, more closely mirrors MU than KDr ever will. Just don't get the fear and defensiveness stirred up amongst the slayer class. They really think they run dust and they'll rage quit if they believe they're not first in the lunchline. You can't talk down to people talking about k/d when you generate a measly 148 wp every time you die. Considering you have a sub .6 k\d, I expected a lot more wp out of you. The OP is better with his k/d, but his wp/d output is even worse than yours. For people jabbering about how other stats matter more, you guys both have crap stats in every category. I used to do nothing but mcc afk to farm SP before uprising launched and I play 90% of my matches solo, but I still have win loss ratios that eclipse both of you. All the stats matter, and you both have stats that would make people question what you actually being to the table. Funny because I'm looking at your stats and you are wrong on all accounts... You realize we can look those up too right? You are some guy's terrible alt... I hope. In any event try reading the landslide of posts on this thread, maybe the two brain cells you are working with will digest the general topic. No one says you win games without slaying, its just that being the only stat that is really tracked gives players the wrong impression of what matters and how to play the game. Winning and Cash flow are the metrics that should matter. You as a Merc care about cash flow and the people who contract you should care about wins. Right now there is a disconnect between the game and the flavor of the game. Its a Roleplaying FPS with an economy, so tracking stats the way tradional FPSs do makes no sense. K/D is also a terrible metric of how effective you actually are in a match. I can start a sniper alt tomorrow and in two weeks be 25x K/D. Does that mean I'm god at the game? Hell no, I may be a danger to anyone on high ground, but I am zero danger to any objective. Same for just pawn camping or flank camping. The point is for CCp to start actually using metrics that matter and incent positive team based game play. K/D does not incentivize you to actually participate in the battle. Its better for your K/D to roof camp/snipe/hold fire to KS/never hack an objective/red line tank/etc. The point of this discussion is to start using a stat that makes people want to play in a more holistic and inclusive way. Sorry you are butt hurt about a discussion, but grow up and try to actually add something to a topic or stay quite so you don't look as dumb as you have so far on this thread. Wow buddy, you are clearly far too vain to be as intelligent as you think you are pretending to be. Maybe you should put that alleged computer sciences degree to work doing some formatting for you. My combat toon is in my sig, and in my corp name, so clearly you aren't adept at reading into things. Doesn't change that your other stats aside from your break even k/d are good. Like I said before, and which you did not even attempt to refute, ISK efficiency doesn't matter with apex suits out, if it even mattered before. All that matters winning, and k\d matters in a win, although how much is debatable. Yes k\d is a flawed stat, but it does matter, and people who say it doesn't are destined to stay in the dumpster. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.