Seems to me that one way to stop stat padding is to start actually tracking stats that matter. K/D has no effect on the actual game and in fact promotes very bad behavior. It is also a terrible measure of player effectiveness. ISK efficiency, however, gives a very clear picture of what as mercenaries we should be most concerned about. IS THE PLAYER MAKING MONEY???

Even as a CEO you would want guys that generate higher ISK amounts for corp taxes. It does no good to have a guy that goes 2:1 K/D, but in real games that's 10/5 and losing 350K ISK per game if they are running proto and still losing money even if its just advanced . Even 3:1 or 4:1 does not matter if you have to burn 2 million in proto gear to achieve it. I am just confused why we are tracking the wrong stat or why one that has no bearing on the game is even tracked.

Not tracking K/D takes out incentives to pad K/D in pubs through stomping/syncing, gives less incentive to only redline snipe, and makes running proto a risk even for people with way too much money. It also makes a lot more sense flavor wise. We are mercenaries. Our cash flow is our most important feature.

Even WP per death would be a better metric than K/D. I have pondered this for a long time and thought I would just mention it here.

Seems to me that one way to stop stat padding is to start actually tracking stats that matter. K/D has no effect on the actual game and in fact promotes very bad behavior. It is also a terrible measure of player effectiveness. ISK efficiency, however, gives a very clear picture of what as mercenaries we should be most concerned about. IS THE PLAYER MAKING MONEY???

Even as a CEO you would want guys that generate higher ISK amounts for corp taxes. It does no good to have a guy that goes 2:1 K/D, but in real games that's 10/5 and losing 350K ISK per game if they are running proto and still losing money even if its just advanced . Even 3:1 or 4:1 does not matter if you have to burn 2 million in proto gear to achieve it. I am just confused why we are tracking the wrong stat or why one that has no bearing on the game is even tracked.

Not tracking K/D takes out incentives to pad K/D in pubs through stomping/syncing, gives less incentive to only redline snipe, and makes running proto a risk even for people with way too much money. It also makes a lot more sense flavor wise. We are mercenaries. Our cash flow is our most important feature.

Even WP per death would be a better metric than K/D. I have pondered this for a long time and thought I would just mention it here.

lets be realistic here.

We have over 20 different and far more important core mechanics and bugs to fix before we start looking at minor things like the UI interface.

K/D only matters when your looking at the slayer class. It'd pretty worthless yet non of the "k/D doesn't matter" proto stompers want it to be removed

It's funny because when I suggested this month's ago I was immediately shot down

lets be realistic here.

We have over 20 different and far more important core mechanics and bugs to fix before we start looking at minor things like the UI interface.

Why not just add ISK efficiency as a stat and still keep the KDR?

I have a decent KDR (2.30) and I earned it while pretty much only running solo and by not ever padding my KDR. My KDR is legitimate and can be used as one of many factors to accurately make an assessment on how I play this game as a slayer.

Plus what is to stop people from padding an ISK efficiency stat? I have already heard of people placing their own personal limitation on how much ISK they are willing to invest in a match before they give up; I have heard numbers as low as 100,000 ISK.

Notice the first kid worried about this has slayer in his sig....

Also, to remove the actual stat from your player profile would take about 20 minutes to code out if you were really worried about it looking good. So nice try on the misdirection.

If this game is going to move forward it has to feel like a different kind of FPS. Tracking tired old stats that other games track when they are not even relevant to the game seems like a step in the wrong direction. We should be emphasizing the mercenary feel of the game. Not the same old stats COD or HALO tracks. Besides is it wrong for a guy to die 4 times trying to hack a point for the win instead of sitting back and nursing his K/D and watching the defeat screen pop up? It should depend on if he went ISK negative for the game not K/D to determine the answer to that.

Any other metric would be better served on your profile, even win/lose ratio. The other stats such as WP/death or ISK efficiency would validate many other roles in the game. Don't get me wrong, I player slayer a great deal of the time and its not hard to queue into pubs with 3 other guys and stomp if you want or just snipe/tank/ADS for kills. So, its not even a good measure of usefulness to a team. Slaying is the hardest way to earn WPs and not always remotely the most useful. Even at 20 kills its still just 1000 WPs, and a logi can pump that out in no time DOING activities that usually contribute more to winning than the guy that goes 10/1 or even 20/1. Same for scouts.

they will have to add a whole new section on the leader boards, remove it form your player profile, change EoM screens, replace the KD/R algorithms....a HELL of a lot more than 20 minutes....lol you have never coded before by the looks of it. It isn't just about coding as well; you have to plan out the time it will take to code, state things in paperwork such as specification so the 'higher powers' in your workplace can review the code and confirm it does what is specified, error trapping is a huge one...and if an error is found it can be a pain to fix.

no it doesn't just take 20 minutes buddy.

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LOL comparing a shooting FPS game to a strategic role playing game LOL!!!! 'Do you see KD in Evein a PC strategic role playing game with realistic economy?

Hey, look I can say I am experienced and have a degree in computing as well.



you must be 15, kids always think they know what they are talking about

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LOL comparing a shooting FPS game to a strategic role playing game LOL!!!! 'Do you see KD in Evein a PC strategic role playing game with realistic economy?

Hey, look I can say I am experienced and have a degree in computing as well.



you must be 15, kids always think they know what they are talking about

I am not talking to holy perfection, scrubby scammer.

@Baragmos Your original argument was that it would take 20 minutes to implement.Then you started making things up to defend your scurbu-ass. It does not take 20 minutes to remove the KDR stat from start to finish. I am going to be the mature one here as always and leave it at that.

I am not talking to holy perfection, scrubby scammer.

@Baragmos Your original argument was that it would take 20 minutes to implement.Then you started making things up to defend your scurbu-ass. It does not take 20 minutes to remove the KDR stat from start to finish. I am going to be the mature one here as always and leave it at that.

Why keep it? Its meaningless in a game like this. Slayer is really a bad attitude toward the game. You can only win one game mode by slaying alone. You should be incented to do MORE. Slayers can't get into many fights if they have to spawn back at the MCC. The scout/logi or whatever that died to place those uplinks done more to win the game than a "slayer" going 10/1 with just one action. Not saying I don't understand the working on your K/D issue. I did as well, but now I find it really easy to go 20+/4 or less if you don't care about winning. Its even easier in squads, and the truth is if you are truly trying to win you will die a lot more often. Those one hit kills (knives, REs, shot guns, etc) will happen much more often if you in the thick of the battle, so its harder to safely pad K/D.

You want people to put personal limitations on their ISK spending. If you are going to go ISK negative you are going to have to put your proto away or accept that your STATS will reflect it. For example I was in a game a couple days ago with Sax and killed him three times in his full get up. He still went 20/4 but in reality he never approached an actual objective and lost over a million ISK. So is 20/4 the stat that matters or the fact that you have to go bankrupt and not actually participate in trying to win to achieve that K/D.

This does not affect the way someone choses to play the game, but it gives a better picture of the real players. Instead of incenting mercs to play team death match on the flanks every game and never get near an objective.