High bracket players seem to be able to get into a lower mu bracket (shorter queue) by having a lower-mu player queue the squad.

tbh Dom hasn't changed, it's still one team has 12 the other 7...not to mention people only camp high ground instead of trying to win..Dom lacks incentive, no reason to win when you get the same payout for losing but you also get to pad your stats...one thing I've learned..winning is overrated..how is that possible? =ƒÿP

I dunno man. Maybe it could be helpful for testing things in a chilled environment, getting new pilots in the air etc... I would have to imagine though that the best practice for pc would be fighting pc lol. Or at least getting good competition in FW or something.

Four-merc squads are perfect for pub, no need to change this. Queue syncing, along side other things, will happen from time to time considering the experimental nature of pub...
I agree with CommanderBolt regarding FW. This is where PC practice and more serious squadding practice takes place. If your getting stomped in FW, often times it means your squad needs a new strategy and/or gear to effectively respond. If your going in solo or with just a mate or two to grind lp, expect what you get! Though I wouldn't recommend queueing for FW solo, bad juju all the way around!

P.s. for all you who leave battle and consequently make teams uneven, please stop doing that your hurting the very-thing you like.

True syncing in pubs is kind of uncalled for but you have to admit its also a good way to practice strategy for factionals and or PCs

From what I understood, it takes the MU of the entire squad. So if your running with a bunch of noobs, your total MU score won't reach the total you would with 4 pro players.

Therefore, DUH.

From what I understood, it takes the MU of the entire squad. So if your running with a bunch of noobs, your total MU score won't reach the total you would with 4 pro players.

Therefore, DUH.

It was five pro players plus me. Or four pro players plus me and kain.

How on earth could that be?

How on earth could that be?

Completely disagree with this. Yes there are still stomps, but much less than in the 6-man squad days.

High bracket players seem to be able to get into a lower mu bracket (shorter queue) by having a lower-mu player queue the squad.

Jolly Roger is the only player i know that puts up multiple hours of streaming footage at once that demonstrates this point.

High bracket players seem to be able to get into a lower mu bracket (shorter queue) by having a lower-mu player queue the squad.

Breaking Stuff nailed it half way.

Part of it is not enough vets sticking with pubs because its easier to que sync and stomp FW. Where i'm sure you view it as a good thing, having less vets over all in pubs means any vets (which is anybody who needs isk) who play pubs are gonig to be thrown in with the new guys, because scotty has to make up the numbers.

The PC community who have little shortage of isk still represents a small proportion of the DUST 514 player base.. Good on them for not needing the isk, but i do. No LP ADS means the isk grind is the only grind for me.


The 16 vs 16 matches I run into has a very high tier players at the top and lots on npc new players at the bottom. I am still runing into groups of players in full proto which is fine, i have 50 mil + SP. Yet on both sides there are between 8 to 10 players if not more who are NPC corps going 1-10 regularly enough that its not unusaul anymore.

Jolly Roger is the only player i know that puts up multiple hours of streaming footage at once that demonstrates this point.


Speaking of squad MU, can you correct me Rattati? With 6 man squads if there was a noob with us we decided to look after would MU drop by 1/6? And now with 4 man squads wouldn't MU drop by 1/4? puting us in lower tier matches where we have no right being?

Also is there a way to demonstrate this accuratley from shanghai Rattati? I dont mind eating my words.

But every day i find 4 players still trying to carry a team, every day i still end up wrecking tons of milita starter fits as a Logi, and though i run evenly both solo and in a 4 man squad, and with the War Ravens in an occasional 16 man FW que sync, i am seeing little anecdotall evidence that the games have gotten better.

Well better for me if i'm killing starter fits.

And deny me the pleasure of annihilating a corvette in our little matches with the rough equivalent of a Volkswagon bug???

How dare you try to limit me. STD forever. I have antibiotics for that!

Please! If you support this request then help by keeping this thread alive with arguments for the return of 6 man squads in pubs. #rf5

High bracket players seem to be able to get into a lower mu bracket (shorter queue) by having a lower-mu player queue the squad.

@Tesfa
I have a strong suspicion that the reason that many vets feel/think that pub matches have gotten worse is that the mus are account based (right?) and we are seeing ~500k sp alts bringing their best militia stuff into the vet bracket severely damaging the quality of the matches.

We need the minimum meta level lockout for fits to prevent militia/bpo/apex/starter fits from polluting our matches.

(PS. Are you saying yr a noob)

High bracket players seem to be able to get into a lower mu bracket (shorter queue) by having a lower-mu player queue the squad.

High bracket players seem to be able to get into a lower mu bracket (shorter queue) by having a lower-mu player queue the squad.