DUST Search - Stop Complaining tanks are OP without using them

Vegetation Monster wrote:

2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote:

I'm tired of Avers saying tanks are op because they don't go down instantly. Well news flash my 26.5 million SP, 1.2 million dollar proto tank is not going to go down with a few grenades. Get over it, all these AV`ers and no tankers views. Ill tell you now I'm a expert AV as well as tank. AV is by far superior.

The bottom line it vehicle users are getting " out voiced ", by all these AV personnel. Try using a Proto tank in a pub. All the blueberry's see is $$$ and the entire team goes at me with swarms, grenades, OB, HMG, PLC, Rail rifle, ADS, Suicide bombers, and weapon imaginable. I think these AV people come from COD, or just expect tanks to go down in a instant.

I'm tired of proving my point. You want to use a proto tank, ill let you. You just have to let me know, and ill do it for free. The only thing is you HAVE to put in this post, " HOLY PERFECTION IS RIGHT AND TANKS ARE NOT AS OP AS PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE". Only if you die in the first three rounds.

I know I talk a lot about AV being superior. But there is a reason why, please just don't be like the average dustbunny and say I need to get good. I hope you see my reasoning, and good luck Vehicle users.

I'm also tired of people saying ADS is fine and completely balanced without using them. The ignorance is TOOFKINGHIGH.

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2 NOITCEFREP YLOH Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:28:00 - [1] - Quote I'm tired of Avers saying tanks are op because they don't go down instantly. Well news flash my 26.5 million SP, 1.2 million dollar proto tank is not going to go down with a few grenades. Get over it, all these AV`ers and no tankers views. Ill tell you now I'm a expert AV as well as tank. AV is by far superior. The bottom line it vehicle users are getting " out voiced ", by all these AV personnel. Try using a Proto tank in a pub. All the blueberry's see is $$$ and the entire team goes at me with swarms, grenades, OB, HMG, PLC, Rail rifle, ADS, Suicide bombers, and weapon imaginable. I think these AV people come from COD, or just expect tanks to go down in a instant. I'm tired of proving my point. You want to use a proto tank, ill let you. You just have to let me know, and ill do it for free. The only thing is you HAVE to put in this post, " HOLY PERFECTION IS RIGHT AND TANKS ARE NOT AS OP AS PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE". Only if you die in the first three rounds. I know I talk a lot about AV being superior. But there is a reason why, please just don't be like the average dustbunny and say I need to get good. I hope you see my reasoning, and good luck Vehicle users.
2 NOITCEFREP YLOH Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:37:00 - [2] - Quote By the way, this is not intended as me ********. I just get fed up sometimes you know. Weve all been there. javascript:insertsmiley('','/Images/Emoticons/ccp_bear.png')
Vegetation Monster G0DS AM0NG MEN The Empire of New Eden 329	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:40:00 - [3] - Quote 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: I'm tired of Avers saying tanks are op because they don't go down instantly. Well news flash my 26.5 million SP, 1.2 million dollar proto tank is not going to go down with a few grenades. Get over it, all these AV`ers and no tankers views. Ill tell you now I'm a expert AV as well as tank. AV is by far superior. The bottom line it vehicle users are getting " out voiced ", by all these AV personnel. Try using a Proto tank in a pub. All the blueberry's see is $$$ and the entire team goes at me with swarms, grenades, OB, HMG, PLC, Rail rifle, ADS, Suicide bombers, and weapon imaginable. I think these AV people come from COD, or just expect tanks to go down in a instant. I'm tired of proving my point. You want to use a proto tank, ill let you. You just have to let me know, and ill do it for free. The only thing is you HAVE to put in this post, " HOLY PERFECTION IS RIGHT AND TANKS ARE NOT AS OP AS PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE". Only if you die in the first three rounds. I know I talk a lot about AV being superior. But there is a reason why, please just don't be like the average dustbunny and say I need to get good. I hope you see my reasoning, and good luck Vehicle users. I'm also tired of people saying ADS is fine and completely balanced without using them. The ignorance is TOOFKINGHIGH. B Double O T Y
jett it MONSTER SYNERGY 181	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:42:00 - [4] - Quote I dont find tanks op, Infact i thrive off killing players that think there op in their proto tanks, They aint got nothing on my PLC and lia dias, oh a speed booster is the best they can do run and hide. I agree with you Holy. jettGaming - Youtube
2 NOITCEFREP YLOH Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:43:00 - [5] - Quote jett it wrote: I dont find tanks op, Infact i thrive off killing players that think there op in their proto tanks, They aint got nothing on my PLC and lia dias, oh a speed booster is the best they can do run and hide. I agree with you Holy. Thanks Jett, and other vehicle users who agree.
Maximus Mobius Fatal Absolution 907	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:48:00 - [6] - Quote I agree. AVers complain about double hardened maddys but anything less and we're just 200 wp in plastic. ALL HAIL MAXSON!! Multi-role Tanker Tanks and turrets supplied by Caldari Steel and Ishukone!! For The State!!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:57:00 - [7] - Quote 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: Stuffses And yet HAV use is boring, requires less skill than ever, and HAV can barely be categorized as Tanks at all. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
2 NOITCEFREP YLOH Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:59:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: Stuffses And yet HAV use is boring, requires less skill than ever, and HAV can barely be categorized as Tanks at all. Haha Ur funny your not a blaster tank are you.
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:59:00 - [9] - Quote Here we go. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:59:00 - [10] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: I'm tired of Avers saying tanks are op because they don't go down instantly. Well news flash my 26.5 million SP, 1.2 million dollar proto tank is not going to go down with a few grenades. Get over it, all these AV`ers and no tankers views. Ill tell you now I'm a expert AV as well as tank. AV is by far superior. The bottom line it vehicle users are getting " out voiced ", by all these AV personnel. Try using a Proto tank in a pub. All the blueberry's see is $$$ and the entire team goes at me with swarms, grenades, OB, HMG, PLC, Rail rifle, ADS, Suicide bombers, and weapon imaginable. I think these AV people come from COD, or just expect tanks to go down in a instant. I'm tired of proving my point. You want to use a proto tank, ill let you. You just have to let me know, and ill do it for free. The only thing is you HAVE to put in this post, " HOLY PERFECTION IS RIGHT AND TANKS ARE NOT AS OP AS PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE". Only if you die in the first three rounds. I know I talk a lot about AV being superior. But there is a reason why, please just don't be like the average dustbunny and say I need to get good. I hope you see my reasoning, and good luck Vehicle users. I'm also tired of people saying ADS is fine and completely balanced without using them. The ignorance is TOOFKINGHIGH. I assume this is meant to say that the Assault Dropship is a massively OP infantry farming machine that you can do nothing to kill? We've all heard that before. I swear most of the people playing this game must yell "WITCHCRAFT" when an airliner flies over their house. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.08.13 02:59:00 - [11] - Quote I rarely get killed by any vehicles anymore. I must admit I am like a kid in a candy shoppe when there are vehicles on deck, I find it hard to focus on the match at that point. Tanks do a good job of cutting off hot routes, diverting infantry traffic and killing clueless scrooges who wander into the road. Tank and ADS all youd like, I salute you. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:00:00 - [12] - Quote 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: True Adamance wrote: 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: Stuffses And yet HAV use is boring, requires less skill than ever, and HAV can barely be categorized as Tanks at all. Haha Ur funny your not a blaster tank are you. Dude, I uhhhhh.... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
jordy mack WarRavens 672	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:00:00 - [13] - Quote i'll take the op's challenge... i do fine in basic and adv tanks unless i'm going against proto god mobiles. join radio warravens and call me one in. most tanks i kill because they get cocky and try to kill me with a lrg rail turret point blank. anytime i get hit by more than one aver i just flip switches, relocate, recharge mods and start again. same with dropships. mostly... just dont be stubborn and accept that retreat or destruction are sometimes ur only options. Less QQ more PewPew
2 NOITCEFREP YLOH Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:02:00 - [14] - Quote jordy mack wrote: i'll take the op's challenge... i do fine in basic and adv tanks unless i'm going against proto god mobiles. join radio warravens and call me one in. most tanks i kill because they get cocky and try to kill me with a lrg rail turret point blank. anytime i get hit by more than one aver i just flip switches, relocate, recharge mods and start again. same with dropships. mostly... just dont be stubborn and accept that retreat or destruction are sometimes ur only options. I'm saying if you die with my pro tank in three rounds you have to type it out. I'm not challenging anyone, however when I have time ill battle you and ill win lol
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:16:00 - [15] - Quote 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: True Adamance wrote: 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: Stuffses And yet HAV use is boring, requires less skill than ever, and HAV can barely be categorized as Tanks at all. Haha Ur funny your not a blaster tank are you. I use and have used all forms of HAV for quite some time now. 1.7 screwed up tanking and broke Armour HAV so fundamentally by instituting their primary repair values as a passive module with active level per second pulses with no down time and 0 upkeep required. Hardener modules compound the issues significantly with periods of massive damage mitigation potential against time where the vehicle can barely function in a meaningful role until modules have recharged. Moreover we have railguns that don't have explosive charge, .50 calibre plasma machine guns, and wierd arse direct fire rocket salvos that make literally no sense and Tank main guns. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
2 NOITCEFREP YLOH Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:18:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: True Adamance wrote: 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: Stuffses And yet HAV use is boring, requires less skill than ever, and HAV can barely be categorized as Tanks at all. Haha Ur funny your not a blaster tank are you. I use and have used all forms of HAV for quite some time now. 1.7 screwed up tanking and broke Armour HAV so fundamentally by instituting their primary repair values as a passive module with active level per second pulses with no down time and 0 upkeep required. Hardener modules compound the issues significantly with periods of massive damage mitigation potential against time where the vehicle can barely function in a meaningful role until modules have recharged. Moreover we have railguns that don't have explosive charge, .50 calibre plasma machine guns, and wierd arse direct fire rocket salvos that make literally no sense and Tank main guns. Modual repair your right, but gun blaster turrent no. But yes your right, but I need CCP to fix AV before making tank moduals better.
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:19:00 - [17] - Quote Maximus Mobius wrote: I agree. AVers complain about double hardened maddys but anything less and we're just 200 wp in plastic. "I am actively aware there is a certain fit that makes me nigh upon a God, but I choose to not use it and therefore tanks are hard to pilot and should not be altered because other pilots use it." O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:20:00 - [18] - Quote Why, for the love of God why.... do people add an N to turret? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:25:00 - [19] - Quote 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: True Adamance wrote: 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: True Adamance wrote: 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: Stuffses And yet HAV use is boring, requires less skill than ever, and HAV can barely be categorized as Tanks at all. Haha Ur funny your not a blaster tank are you. I use and have used all forms of HAV for quite some time now. 1.7 screwed up tanking and broke Armour HAV so fundamentally by instituting their primary repair values as a passive module with active level per second pulses with no down time and 0 upkeep required. Hardener modules compound the issues significantly with periods of massive damage mitigation potential against time where the vehicle can barely function in a meaningful role until modules have recharged. Moreover we have railguns that don't have explosive charge, .50 calibre plasma machine guns, and wierd arse direct fire rocket salvos that make literally no sense and Tank main guns. Modual repair your right, but gun blaster turrent no. But yes your right, but I need CCP to fix AV before making tank moduals better. Blasters literally make no sense as MBT turrets. I could understand if CCP retconed the weapon, nerfed it slightly, and made it a Medium turret for MAV's or even Medium AirCraft/ Fast Attack options. Tell me this game would be worse of ware if Gallente Large Turrets instead were like Short Ranged Cannister Shell/Plasma Shotguns, Tri-barreled Charged Electron Cannon like the old concept art, or even fired high density Plasma Cannon Rounds. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Louis Domi Louis Domi's Super Happy Fun Time 1	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:36:00 - [20] - Quote Hey good sir, when you HAVs go faster than an LAV due to a single module, I find it hilariously OP. Most people don't say anything about them Nitro boost ya'll have, but I rank Nitro boost as one of the reasons tanks are OP. 4k+ hp going around as fast or faster than an LAV... Sir this is wrong. Can't get off my entire collection of goodies because the moment a tank hits something(a ***** pebble) they go dual harderners and turbo charge their way into the red... Not to mention ya'll rep fast as **, if 3 lai dais, and a proto PLC don't kill you in less than second you're back to full health in less than 5 seconds. Have a nice day Bring back old flying LAVs

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:39:00 - [21] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Hey good sir, when you HAVs go faster than an LAV due to a single module, I find it hilariously OP. Most people don't say anything about them Nitro boost ya'll have, but I rank Nitro boost as one of the reasons tanks are OP. 4k+ hp going around as fast or faster than an LAV... Sir this is wrong. Can't get off my entire collection of goodies because the moment a tank hits something(a ***** pebble) they go dual harderners and turbo charge their way into the red... Not to mention ya'll rep fast as , if 3 lai dais, and a proto PLC don't kill you in less than second you're back to full health in less than 5 seconds. Have a nice day Pretty sure they don't and you are making the over statement of the century..... I'll run some drag race tests later this evening. I'm pretty sure you are full of ** though. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:40:00 - [22] - Quote I would like a blaster turret revamp that makes it more like slow firing plasma cannon rounds, a bit higher rate of fire than the infantry version with reduced damage. Also would like the option to fit my tank with 3 small turrets and more hp for sustained entrenchment and better anti infantry purpose. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Sgt Kirk Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:52:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Hey good sir, when you HAVs go faster than an LAV due to a single module, I find it hilariously OP. Most people don't say anything about them Nitro boost ya'll have, but I rank Nitro boost as one of the reasons tanks are OP. 4k+ hp going around as fast or faster than an LAV... Sir this is wrong. Can't get off my entire collection of goodies because the moment a tank hits something(a ***** pebble) they go dual harderners and turbo charge their way into the red... Not to mention ya'll rep fast as , if 3 lai dais, and a proto PLC don't kill you in less than second you're back to full health in less than 5 seconds. Have a nice day Pretty sure they don't and you are making the over statement of the century..... I'll run some drag race tests later this evening. I'm pretty sure you are full of ** though. Lol they don't, and besides, his point is moot because LAVs can fit the same exact fuel injector as well. -A vote for me is a vote for us You can vote for CPM 2 [here]
2 NOITCEFREP YLOH Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:52:00 - [24] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Hey good sir, when you HAVs go faster than an LAV due to a single module, I find it hilariously OP. Most people don't say anything about them Nitro boost ya'll have, but I rank Nitro boost as one of the reasons tanks are OP. 4k+ hp going around as fast or faster than an LAV... Sir this is wrong. Can't get off my entire collection of goodies because the moment a tank hits something(a ***** pebble) they go dual harderners and turbo charge their way into the red... Not to mention ya'll rep fast as **, if 3 lai dais, and a proto PLC don't kill you in less than second you're back to full health in less than 5 seconds. Have a nice day Hey good sir, first if you cant hit a big tin can that's your fault. Second, well the entire purpose of that modal is to get away. So yeah its going to make the tin can go fast lol
Louis Domi Louis Domi's Super Happy Fun Time 1	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:55:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Hey good sir, when you HAVs go faster than an LAV due to a single module, I find it hilariously OP. Most people don't say anything about them Nitro boost ya'll have, but I rank Nitro boost as one of the reasons tanks are OP. 4k+ hp going around as fast or faster than an LAV... Sir this is wrong. Can't get off my entire collection of goodies because the moment a tank hits something(a ***** pebble) they go dual harderners and turbo charge their way into the red... Not to mention ya'll rep fast as , if 3 lai dais, and a proto PLC don't kill you in less than second you're back to full health in less than 5 seconds. Have a nice day Pretty sure they don't and you are making the over statement of the century..... I'll run some drag race tests later this evening. I'm pretty sure you are full of ** though. They go pretty fast Bring back old flying LAVs
2 NOITCEFREP YLOH Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:57:00 - [26] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Hey good sir, when you HAVs go faster than an LAV due to a single module, I find it hilariously OP. Most people don't say anything about them Nitro boost ya'll have, but I rank Nitro boost as one of the reasons tanks are OP. 4k+ hp going around as fast or faster than an LAV... Sir this is wrong. Can't get off my entire collection of goodies because the moment a tank hits something(a ***** pebble) they go dual harderners and turbo charge their way into the red... Not to mention ya'll rep fast as , if 3 lai dais, and a proto PLC don't kill you in less than second you're back to full health in less than 5 seconds. Have a nice day Pretty sure they don't and you are making the over statement of the century..... I'll run some drag race tests later this evening. I'm pretty sure you are full of ** though. They go pretty fast Its the point, besides if your like the other avers just use a swarm. My tank cannot outrun that. BTW try to predict where I'm going with the PLC.
Louis Domi Louis Domi's Super Happy Fun Time 1	Posted - 2015.08.13 04:09:00 - [27] - Quote 2 NOITCEFREP YLOH wrote: Louis Domi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Hey good sir, when you HAVs go faster than an LAV due to a single module, I find it hilariously OP. Most people don't say anything about them Nitro boost ya'll have, but I rank Nitro boost as one of the reasons tanks are OP. 4k+ hp going around as fast or faster than an LAV... Sir this is wrong. Can't get off my entire collection of goodies because the moment a tank hits something(a ***** pebble) they go dual harderners and turbo charge their way into the red... Not to mention ya'll rep fast as , if 3 lai dais, and a proto PLC don't kill you in less than second you're back to full health in less than 5 seconds. Have a nice day Pretty sure they don't and you are making the over statement of the century..... I'll run some drag race tests later this evening. I'm pretty sure you are full of ** though. They go pretty fast Its the point, besides if your like the other avers just use a swarm. My tank cannot outrun that. BTW try to predict where I'm going with the PLC. Hate swarms, those bastards, now swarms are pretty OP, bastards flying around buildings, curving, nothing outruns those bastards.. I get hits with the PLC, just throws me off when I see a tank going that fast. Like that shouldn't happen. Maybe I'm close minded in that. Bring back old flying LAVs
2 NOITCEFREP YLOH Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2015.08.13 04:19:00 - [28] - Quote Well hopefully CCP does something within the next 2 weeks, before I respec. I'm tired of all these av, its been going on forever now. Ill also probably get banned off the forums, for reasons I cannot say. So it was fun while it lasted, I never get to stay long on the forums lol. CCP officials just don't like me, because I **** of Dust playerbase.
2 NOITCEFREP YLOH Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2015.08.14 00:55:00 - [29] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Hey good sir, when you HAVs go faster than an LAV due to a single module, I find it hilariously OP. Most people don't say anything about them Nitro boost ya'll have, but I rank Nitro boost as one of the reasons tanks are OP. 4k+ hp going around as fast or faster than an LAV... Sir this is wrong. Can't get off my entire collection of goodies because the moment a tank hits something(a ***** pebble) they go dual harderners and turbo charge their way into the red... Not to mention ya'll rep fast as , if 3 lai dais, and a proto PLC don't kill you in less than second you're back to full health in less than 5 seconds. Have a nice day Pretty sure they don't and you are making the over statement of the century..... I'll run some drag race tests later this evening. I'm pretty sure you are full of ** though. I think the LAV us GOING to win vs tank.
Crimson Moon V Negative-Feedback. 477	Posted - 2015.08.14 02:38:00 - [30] - Quote /facepalm this thread. Sit down children. I'm gonna tell you a story. Along time ago in very mediocre beta 2-4 proto AV nades killed a tank. The bad tankers cried on the forums while Mr. zitro and slap26 come along and destroy the entire community despite how good AV nades were. ( mr zitro had a 20+kd.) they didn't cry about AV back then and tanks were a huge factor in battle. The difference was tanking required more teamwork and skill. I don't understand how tankers still complain about AV. My point is that the tankers left in this game that cry about AV are obviously non factor glue sniffers. Good tankers don't cry about AV. Just like infantry shouldn't complain about tankers. Vehicles are an infantries counter. If a tank catches you not using cover out in the open you deserve to die. AV is your counter. Get over it. The second you make excuses for why you died you are no longer learning. You have to look at why you died. What you did wrong and how you can make sure that never happens again. That is the best way to evolve as a player. Not crying on the forums about how your hard counter is OP. So how did slap and mr zitro go 30-0 almost every game in a tank despite AV nades 3 shotting tanks? Think about it. They were actually *good* tankers. People that really still cry about AV really need to take a deep hard look at themselves and how they play before they come posting on the forums. idk go meditate under a waterfall. Maybe it will cure that bad case of scrub you have. Let how you play speak for you, not what you say.-Naberuis_x Winning is teaching, Losing is learning.-Mavado V



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