/facepalm this thread.

Sit down children.

I'm gonna tell you a story.

Along time ago in very mediocre beta 2-4 proto AV nades killed a tank. The bad tankers cried on the forums while Mr. zitro and slap26 come along and destroy the entire community despite how good AV nades were. ( mr zitro had a 20+kd.) they didn't cry about AV back then and tanks were a huge factor in battle. The difference was tanking required more teamwork and skill. I don't understand how tankers still complain about AV.

My point is that the tankers left in this game that cry about AV are obviously non factor glue sniffers. Good tankers don't cry about AV. Just like infantry shouldn't complain about tankers. Vehicles are an infantries counter. If a tank catches you not using cover out in the open you deserve to die. AV is your counter. Get over it. The second you make excuses for why you died you are no longer learning. You have to look at why you died. What you did wrong and how you can make sure that never happens again. That is the best way to evolve as a player. Not crying on the forums about how your hard counter is OP.


So how did slap and mr zitro go 30-0 almost every game in a tank despite AV nades 3 shotting tanks? Think about it.

They were actually good tankers. People that really still cry about AV really need to take a deep hard look at themselves and how they play before they come posting on the forums.

idk go meditate under a waterfall. Maybe it will cure that bad case of scrub you have.

You forgot the part where they were always in squad working together and that these tankers mostly all solo play or don't work well with others.

That is the furthest thing from the truth. First of all slap was a rail tanker and had the best rail gun game in the history of the game. He would kill infantry in cqc 1 vs 1 with his rail and his team would be nowhere to be found. Mr zitro had the same play style as me except in a tank. He would float away from his squad get 5-6 kills and then retreat back to his squad if he got overwhelmed. rinse and repeat.


People just need to face the fact that there aren't many good tankers in this game. Most of the ones that post on the forums are just crybabies. The legend and AP grasshopper are the only 2 good tankers left in this game that come to mind. I am sure there are is a small handful of good tankers left but not very many. Mainly because most of them are like some of the posters in this thread that would rather cry on the forums and make excuses rather then man up and learn from your mistakes and evolve as a player.

/facepalm this thread.

Sit down children.

I'm gonna tell you a story.

Along time ago in very mediocre beta 2-4 proto AV nades killed a tank. The bad tankers cried on the forums while Mr. zitro and slap26 come along and destroy the entire community despite how good AV nades were. ( mr zitro had a 20+kd.) they didn't cry about AV back then and tanks were a huge factor in battle. The difference was tanking required more teamwork and skill. I don't understand how tankers still complain about AV.

My point is that the tankers left in this game that cry about AV are obviously non factor glue sniffers. Good tankers don't cry about AV. Just like infantry shouldn't complain about tankers. Vehicles are an infantries counter. If a tank catches you not using cover out in the open you deserve to die. AV is your counter. Get over it. The second you make excuses for why you died you are no longer learning. You have to look at why you died. What you did wrong and how you can make sure that never happens again. That is the best way to evolve as a player. Not crying on the forums about how your hard counter is OP.


So how did slap and mr zitro go 30-0 almost every game in a tank despite AV nades 3 shotting tanks? Think about it.

They were actually good tankers. People that really still cry about AV really need to take a deep hard look at themselves and how they play before they come posting on the forums.

idk go meditate under a waterfall. Maybe it will cure that bad case of scrub you have.

I'm tired of Avers saying tanks are op because they don't go down instantly. Well news flash my 26.5 million SP, 1.2 million dollar proto tank is not going to go down with a few grenades. Get over it, all these AV`ers and no tankers views. Ill tell you now I'm a expert AV as well as tank. AV is by far superior.

The bottom line it vehicle users are getting " out voiced ", by all these AV personnel. Try using a Proto tank in a pub. All the blueberry's see is $$$ and the entire team goes at me with swarms, grenades, OB, HMG, PLC, Rail rifle, ADS, Suicide bombers, and weapon imaginable. I think these AV people come from COD, or just expect tanks to go down in a instant.

I'm tired of proving my point. You want to use a proto tank, ill let you. You just have to let me know, and ill do it for free. The only thing is you HAVE to put in this post, " HOLY PERFECTION IS RIGHT AND TANKS ARE NOT AS OP AS PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE". Only if you die in the first three rounds.






I know I talk a lot about AV being superior. But there is a reason why, please just don't be like the average dustbunny and say I need to get good. I hope you see my reasoning, and good luck Vehicle users.

Well news flash my 26.5 million SP, 1.2 million dollar proto tank is not going to go down with a few grenades.

I'm saying if you die with my pro tank in three rounds you have to type it out. I'm not challenging anyone, however when I have time ill battle you and ill win lol

I'm tired of Avers saying tanks are op because they don't go down instantly. Well news flash my 26.5 million SP, 1.2 million dollar proto tank is not going to go down with a few grenades. Get over it, all these AV`ers and no tankers views. Ill tell you now I'm a expert AV as well as tank. AV is by far superior.

The bottom line it vehicle users are getting " out voiced ", by all these AV personnel. Try using a Proto tank in a pub. All the blueberry's see is $$$ and the entire team goes at me with swarms, grenades, OB, HMG, PLC, Rail rifle, ADS, Suicide bombers, and weapon imaginable. I think these AV people come from COD, or just expect tanks to go down in a instant.

I'm tired of proving my point. You want to use a proto tank, ill let you. You just have to let me know, and ill do it for free. The only thing is you HAVE to put in this post, " HOLY PERFECTION IS RIGHT AND TANKS ARE NOT AS OP AS PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE". Only if you die in the first three rounds.






I know I talk a lot about AV being superior. But there is a reason why, please just don't be like the average dustbunny and say I need to get good. I hope you see my reasoning, and good luck Vehicle users.

ant to use a proto tank, ill let you. You just have to let me know, and ill do it for free. The only thing is you HAVE to put in this post, " HOLY PERFECTION IS RIGHT AND TANKS ARE NOT AS OP AS PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE". Only if you die in the first three rounds.

I'm saying if you die with my pro tank in three rounds you have to type it out. I'm not challenging anyone, however when I have time ill battle you and ill win lol

So if live for 3 games without dying you are wrong?

By three rounds do you mean three matches? If so, this is the problem, to a tanker surving three matches without dying because of your fit seems reasonable but it is the very definition of OP. I can understand the tankers view though that they will go ISK negative even if they can do that. The problem then is that vehicles are still too expensive. I think the militia HAV are where we should be, they are cheap but die easily, a good tanker can still wreak havoc on everything but another tank.

By three rounds do you mean three matches? If so, this is the problem, to a tanker surving three matches without dying because of your fit seems reasonable but it is the very definition of OP. I can understand the tankers view though that they will go ISK negative even if they can do that. The problem then is that vehicles are still too expensive. I think the militia HAV are where we should be, they are cheap but die easily, a good tanker can still wreak havoc on everything but another tank.

Saying because a tank survives three rounds it is OP is absurd.

What if the tank never leaves the redline, never shoots anything, just rolls back and forth to avoid getting kicked and kills a couple of turrets to get his afk bonus?

What if a tank uses terrain and all of his modules to reduce the enemy AV effectiveness and play smart, are they allowed to survive in that situation?

I can go days without losing a tank, because I don't just crash it into a horde of infantry until I explode. Playing smart as a tanker means not losing the whip.

I can go days without losing a tank, because I don't just crash it into a horde of infantry until I explode. Playing smart as a tanker means not losing the whip.

Just because this may be true, doesn't mean there aren't problems with the HAV balance

By three rounds do you mean three matches? If so, this is the problem, to a tanker surving three matches without dying because of your fit seems reasonable but it is the very definition of OP. I can understand the tankers view though that they will go ISK negative even if they can do that. The problem then is that vehicles are still too expensive. I think the militia HAV are where we should be, they are cheap but die easily, a good tanker can still wreak havoc on everything but another tank.

Sorry general you are not a tanker if you camp in redline. I'm saying AV at the moment is ridiculous. There is too much of it, its to cheap / common. Read my past posts on my profile to get more information.

I'm a blaster tank. I'm in middle of it all 24/7.

No one wants to spend over a mil isk just to die.
If your tank cost 1.3 mil and you place in the top 3 slots you get around 250k, that means you have to stay alive for 5 games to get a payback!
For 5 games you want to play and have fun not be scared and redline, so yea tanks need a buff.

And yet HAV use is boring, requires less skill than ever, and HAV can barely be categorized as Tanks at all.

Just because this may be true, doesn't mean there aren't problems with the HAV balance

There are definitely HAV balance problems, shield tanks are awful.

agreed.

And my assessment on forge is RoF.

Increasing alpha creates too many problems with dropships.

agreed.

And my assessment on forge is RoF.

Increasing alpha creates too many problems with dropships.

This is a fallacy. If one player with 200k ISK can reliably kill one player with 1.25 million ISK, then where is the balance? Especially when that 200k ISK can be quickly swapped at a supply depot, where a vehicle requires lengthy call and recall times that are not only vulnerable to enemy fire, but the very mechanic used to bring them in as well. Also consider the vehicle limit that ensures V can always be outnumbered by AV, and AV grenades which are the strongest AV weapon which can be carried by virtually ALL players.

ISK IS a balancing factor whether you like it or not, unless it's straight up removed from the game.