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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:16:00 -
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I want to start the discussion on an important topic here now that Warlords 1.2 has been deployed, 1.3 is now listed on the Trello and there is not much left on the Trello board to implement before CCP has to finally get ready to move Dust over to the next platform.
The problem is which platform to go to.
Before I begin I like to remind everyone that even though I am a PC player at times that doesn't mean that I am one of those arrogant PC Master Race folks. I also play games on the consoles as I prefer the best of both worlds.
Anyways, the point of this discussion is to help CCP figure out where the community would like CCP to most Dust 514 towards. We understand that PC and consoles have their own benefits but at the same time have their own downsides. Let's looks at those pros and cons first.
What would happen if Dust 514 moves to the PS4?
Pros:
1. CCP would not have to worry about transferring ownership of certain assets like BPO suits, Skins, AUR, SP, etc. as all the player has to do is log in with the same PSN ID that they used back on the PS3.
2. CCP would still have all of the data on the characters and assets on their own in-house servers. The player would not need to transfer data manually from the PS3 to the PS4.
3. CCP would be taking advantage of old Dust players who left the PS3 for the PS4 as well as players who would have no problem buying a PS4 if Dust was ported over there.
4. Because PlayStation Plus does not require paying the subscription for doing multiplayer in a free-to-play game, Dust 514 players will still be able to afford Dust as normal. There are other F2P games on the PS4 that don't require paying the subscription either.
5. Still be able to maintain the cross-platform connection that Dust has with Eve Online.
Cons:
1. The PS4 will not have access to a test server. You wouldn't want your PS4 to connect to the Singularity test server. Believe me. I have heard horror stories of what it did to the PS3s. It wasn't pretty.
2. CCP will still have to deal with Sony's approval process. This can be a problem if a major client update is needed ASAP in case of a problem.
3. Consoles don't have as much future proofing as PCs do.
4. Players will probably have to give up all of their ISK and maybe some of their assets as this would mean the game is starting over. Though some assets like BPOs, Skins, AUR, etc. might still be kept depending on how extensive Dust is changed during the porting process.
5. Many players who were hoping for a PC port will be disappointed.
What would happen is Dust 514 moves to the PC?
Pros:
1. Players will finally have access to the test server since a PC will be able to handle it better.
2. Dust 514 will be far more connected to the Tranquility live server and thus allow the server to be able to better monitor the game for any exploits like how it does now for Eve Online.
3. Dust 514 will be given an opportunity to be more connected to Eve Online if CCP finally decides to go ahead with their unification plans.
4. Dust 514 players will have access to better tools that may not be normally practical to implement on a console setting.
5. Future proofing is more guaranteed as you wouldn't have to upgrade your PC every 5 years. I still have my 9-year-old Dell XPS and it still runs fine.
Cons:
1. CCP will have to figure out how to transfer ownership of the assets from the PSN account to a PC-based account. They will likely be able to work with Sony on this.
2. Players might not be able to keep everything during the transfer such as their ISK. I'm confident CCP might come up with ways to compensate the players who wish to transfer their assets.
3. The cross-platform connection that Dust 514 has with Eve Online will no longer be there. It will just all be on one platform.
4. Many console players who don't want to own or are not able to afford a PC will not be able to benefit from this and thus become disappointed.
So at least here we can guarantee that a few things will happen:
1. Either group of players (console or PC) will be royally pissed off no matter which way Dust 514 goes unless CCP can somehow muster enough resources to make Dust 514 for BOTH PS4 and PC.
2. Everyone, no matter which group of players you are, will lose some assets during the transfer because... well... let's face it. Dust 514 got screwed over a lot with PC 1.0 in terms of ISK generation and distribution and this is the only chance we might have to address the problem we have with players who have excessive amounts of ISK because of how they exploited a broken system. Some of you will no doubt have objections to this.
3. Either way, Dust needs a fresh start.
One more thing I need to make clear.
Please do not bring up the old argument that we should start over completely from zero especially for new players. Can you imagine how annoying it would be to have your 40 million SP character reset to zero just because the game got a few new players? There will always be a disparity in levels between players in every game out there. Deal with it.
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Jadek Menaheim
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:21:00 -
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We should also be looking at a companion port for Dust on mobile.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2814592
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:31:00 -
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I would like to hear your personal opinion, Maken.
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Titus Stryker
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:33:00 -
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Would a PC version be on Steam?
If yes, than the console players could just use these and the only thing affected in their experience is their friends list.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:35:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I would like to hear your personal opinion, Maken.
I made my opinion on this pretty clear early on. I don't care which platform Dust will move towards. I will still have my PC ready and I will obviously invest in a PS4 if Dust went in that direction.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:35:00 -
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Titus Stryker wrote:Would a PC version be on Steam? If yes, than the console players could just use these and the only thing affected in their experience is their friends list.
It is possible since Eve Online players do have the option to get an Eve subscription via Steam.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:36:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I would like to hear your personal opinion, Maken. I made my opinion on this pretty clear early on. I don't care which platform Dust will move towards. I will still have my PC ready and I will obviously invest in a PS4 if Dust went in that direction.
Ok, so you don't mind. But do you not feel that DUST would be better on one platform over another? If so, which one?
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:38:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I would like to hear your personal opinion, Maken. I made my opinion on this pretty clear early on. I don't care which platform Dust will move towards. I will still have my PC ready and I will obviously invest in a PS4 if Dust went in that direction. Ok, so you don't mind. But do you not feel that DUST would be better on one platform over another? If so, which one?
I honestly prefer both for the sake of not leaving out either group of players. But if I had to choose, PC would be ok for me. But a part of me wants it for the PS4 for the sake of making it easier to transfer ownership of the assets. So I'm stuck in the middle again.
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Death Shadow117
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:49:00 -
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You make great points but why jot port it to PC to fix it, and then port it to PS4 ,after the game is working properly, as the next Gen consoles can be upgraded more. Even if they just put it on PC you could just get an alienware alpha gaming computer/console and be able to play console and computer games on the same thing.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:57:00 -
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I think DUST should take the revolutionary step and become a Gameboy exclusive.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:58:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:You make great points but why jot port it to PC to fix it, and then port it to PS4 ,after the game is working properly, as the next Gen consoles can be upgraded more. Even if they just put it on PC you could just get an alienware alpha gaming computer/console and be able to play console and computer games on the same thing.
That is another alternative. Unfortunately that will mean console players will have to wait and not all console players would want to buy an alienware they are not sure about.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.28 19:00:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I think DUST should take the revolutionary step and become a Gameboy exclusive.
Why don't you go spend time with your cousin Judd instead?
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TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.07.28 19:01:00 -
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Posted - 2015.07.28 19:02:00 -
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I'd say PC..this game is supposed to last a long time and ps4 is what 3-4 years into its span already..updates can come out whenever and won't have to go through Sony..but if it gets ported to next gen then that's cool too, as long as it gets on something better than ps3 |
Alcina Nektaria
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Posted - 2015.07.28 19:36:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
4. Players will probably have to give up all of their ISK and maybe some of their assets as this would mean the game is starting over. Though some assets like BPOs, Skins, AUR, etc. might still be kept depending on how extensive Dust is changed during the porting process.
5. Many players who were hoping for a PC port will be disappointed.
1. Players will finally have access to the test server since a PC will be able to handle it better.
1. CCP will have to figure out how to transfer ownership of the assets from the PSN account to a PC-based account. They will likely be able to work with Sony on this.
2. Players might not be able to keep everything during the transfer such as their ISK. I'm confident CCP might come up with ways to compensate the players who wish to transfer their assets.
4. Many console players who don't want to own or are not able to afford a PC will not be able to benefit from this and thus become disappointed.
Just speaking on those terms above....
Not necessarily true about giving up assets. There are many games that allow you to keep all of your assets, money, levels, skills, etc. with a simple character transfer. This can easily be done with a simple code they can add in game and upon startup.
A test server may actually be possible with a PS4 console because the technology in them is roughly 8 years ahead of the PS3 and they are in fact closer to the build of a PC than you may realize (especially with the ability to not overheat as badly as PS3 AND some PCs)
And lastly on your points, I believe that people wanting the PC port are FAR fewer than the people who want next gen console port. That is a validated opinion just from what I have seen on various forum posts.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 19:46:00 -
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No matter which platform Dust gets ported to I will go also. If CCP really cared about the players and what they've invested in Dust and the loyalty they have showed they would port to the PS4 tho imo.
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Georgia Xavier
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Posted - 2015.07.28 20:35:00 -
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At this point I don't care anymore, just PORT THIS GAME!!
Go to Ps4 and be done with it or go to the PC and lower hardware requirements to that of a modern home pc and be done with it. Either way is leagues better than staying on the ps3.
But seriously speaking however, seeing how good they are at developing EVE on the PC then PC is a safer choice development-wise
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Void Echo
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:06:00 -
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Not to mention it's cheaper to buy a console, you just sell out $400 once and are done with it for at least 10 more years. With PCs, you have to buy the pc and continue to spend 100s of $ every year to keep the software and hardware up to date.
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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:17:00 -
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I don't care which platform it goes too.
If the transfer does not contain every single asset including ISK, BPOs, SP, and Warbarge (or compensation of some sort should the pile of crap warbarge be tossed) I will never once log in to the new version. CCP has already shown the efforts they are willing to make to clean up behind themselves today and many other times so I fear that my Dust existence will end here on the PS3.
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Taeyeon Seyun
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:39:00 -
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I would be fine either way myself, but I would much happier and excited for a PC port. I think they would be able to a good bit more with the PC. I want to see Dust and Eve be more synced together. Where thing we do would matter in Eve and viceversa. I wouldn't mind a PS4 port I would just be less excited.
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Daddrobit
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For those rallying for Legion and or a port to PC in general, here's my issue with that possibility.
When you enter the PC market, you are immediately competing with literally every game ever made. Your game needs to be God tier levels of fun to maintain any level of success over a long period of time. I'm talking LOL, WOW, Minecraft, Star Craft levels of fun.
That or be a hardcore niche filler with little competition like EVE.
Legion however is just an FPS. That means it's competing with games like COD, Battlefield, Far Cry, Titanfall, Borderlands, ARMA, and Planetside. Super AAA titles that are always providing the highest level of real competitive and or fun gameplay.
And the accessibility and usability of all these games means that if someone doesn't like a particular game, it's just as easy to delete it as it was to download it and move on to any other game.
And on top of that, it's also much easier to look up ratings and reviews of games.
On PS3, to know how Dust was rated, you can either just go off the star rating the game has and say, "meh, nearly 4 stars, might as well try it," or you are forced to get off your console and go look up big name reviews.
However on PC, the reviews are right there, the thoughts on the game from everyone from Gamespot to Snip3rB0y99 on how well the game was made is sometimes available right from the same page as the download. Which means that when players bash on your game, these opinions are given much more weight on the overall success of the game as they are directly visible to everyone thinking of getting into it right from the start.
Legion/Dust would -NOT- survive on PC even anywhere nearly as well as it fared on console. With the limited number of games available to consoles, there comes a certain safety. Being one of the 15 shooters available on PS4 makes you automatically more dominant than being one of the 100s if not 1,000s of shooters available on PC.
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Kiiran-B
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:14:00 -
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Well from what we can speculate, ItGÇÿs unlikley it will port to PC so I see it maybe going on PS4.
At fanfest they said they are still working on Legion but that their main priority was keeping their player base on DUST514 happy.
IF Legion is indeed still being developed for PC and IF it is still on track for future release, itGÇÿd be silly to port DUST514 over to PC, theyGÇÿve stated that they intend to keep DUST alive even while Legion is up and running, but if anything was going to be ported to PS4 then itGÇÿs more logical to try and get the DUST playerbase over to Legion and then port that to PS4.
TL:DR: Dust wonGÇÿt be ported, theyGÇÿll use it as a guinea pig for Legion and if any PS4 port is on the table itGÇÿll be Legion.
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Void Echo
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:22:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:Well from what we can speculate, ItGÇÿs unlikley it will port to PC so I see it maybe going on PS4.
At fanfest they said they are still working on Legion but that their main priority was keeping their player base on DUST514 happy.
IF Legion is indeed still being developed for PC and IF it is still on track for future release, itGÇÿd be silly to port DUST514 over to PC, theyGÇÿve stated that they intend to keep DUST alive even while Legion is up and running, but if anything was going to be ported to PS4 then itGÇÿs more logical to try and get the DUST playerbase over to Legion and then port that to PS4.
TL:DR: Dust wonGÇÿt be ported, theyGÇÿll use it as a guinea pig for Legion and if any PS4 port is on the table itGÇÿll be Legion.
Could be a long shot since its CCP but there you go.
You can't get dust to legion if over 50% of the players can't afford pc
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Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:46:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Kiiran-B wrote:Well from what we can speculate, ItGÇÿs unlikley it will port to PC so I see it maybe going on PS4.
At fanfest they said they are still working on Legion but that their main priority was keeping their player base on DUST514 happy.
IF Legion is indeed still being developed for PC and IF it is still on track for future release, itGÇÿd be silly to port DUST514 over to PC, theyGÇÿve stated that they intend to keep DUST alive even while Legion is up and running, but if anything was going to be ported to PS4 then itGÇÿs more logical to try and get the DUST playerbase over to Legion and then port that to PS4.
TL:DR: Dust wonGÇÿt be ported, theyGÇÿll use it as a guinea pig for Legion and if any PS4 port is on the table itGÇÿll be Legion.
Could be a long shot since its CCP but there you go. You can't get dust to legion if over 50% of the players can't afford pc
True. Although it might attract PC players from EVEside or PS2, itGÇÿs a tough one. My point was that it wonGÇÿt be DUST that gets ported itGÇÿll be Legion, even without those people. CCP feel that they can do more on PC, and if that leads to a PS4 port then theyGÇÿll be happy with that. I donGÇÿt know, it could go either way for them.
Either way I hope they learn and donGÇÿt make the same mistakes that they did with DUST. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2015.07.29 02:44:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote:For those rallying for Legion and or a port to PC in general, here's my issue with that possibility.
When you enter the PC market, you are immediately competing with literally every game ever made. Your game needs to be God tier levels of fun to maintain any level of success over a long period of time. I'm talking LOL, WOW, Minecraft, Star Craft levels of fun.
That or be a hardcore niche filler with little competition like EVE.
Legion however is just an FPS. That means it's competing with games like COD, Battlefield, Far Cry, Titanfall, Borderlands, ARMA, and Planetside. Super AAA titles that are always providing the highest level of real competitive and or fun gameplay.
And the accessibility and usability of all these games means that if someone doesn't like a particular game, it's just as easy to delete it as it was to download it and move on to any other game.
And on top of that, it's also much easier to look up ratings and reviews of games.
On PS3, to know how Dust was rated, you can either just go off the star rating the game has and say, "meh, nearly 4 stars, might as well try it," or you are forced to get off your console and go look up big name reviews.
However on PC, the reviews are right there, the thoughts on the game from everyone from Gamespot to Snip3rB0y99 on how well the game was made is sometimes available right from the same page as the download. Which means that when players bash on your game, these opinions are given much more weight on the overall success of the game as they are directly visible to everyone thinking of getting into it right from the start.
Legion/Dust would -NOT- survive on PC even anywhere nearly as well as it fared on console. With the limited number of games available to consoles, there comes a certain safety. Being one of the 15 shooters available on PS4 makes you automatically more dominant than being one of the 100s if not 1,000s of shooters available on PC.
About that highlighted part...
I get the feeling Dust will end up being on the PC as such. As a hardcore niche game with few competition. Sure, Dust is a FPS game with FPS functions. But how many other FPS games are there that have Dust's unique characteristics such as direct player trading, legal scamming and extortion, poaching players from a corp, and now item crafting which is on the way with Warlords 1.3? If there is any, they're probably not that many.
By the way, Legion is no longer going to be on PC because there will NOT be a CCP-made game called Legion. Why? According to the US Patent & Trademark Office, Eve Legion as a trademark is officially dead (aka ABANDONED). However, Eve Gunjack seems to be LIVE as a trademark.
Don't believe me? Look up the two names.
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4804:7yi3p6.1.1
My point here is that regardless of what name will be given to the PC or PS4 port, that port will be at its very core a direct descendant or reincarnation of Dust 514. Dust 514 as a name will likely stay on the PS3 but it will likely be given a different name somewhere else. We just don't know which and I don't think Eve Gunjack is even remotely related to Dust 514 given what we know about Project Nemesis.
Also, Eve Online was once thought to be facing too much competition on the PC when it first came out in 2003. This was against the likes of EA's Earth & Beyond, Blizzard's World of Warcraft, Sid Meyer's Civilization, Nexus: The Jupiter Incident, etc. And now Eve Online is said to be facing against stiffer competition from the likes of Star Citizen but even then they are nowhere near as unique as Eve Online except maybe World of Warcraft. But Eve is not dying and the numbers posted on Eve-Offline.net only tell you half the story until you read about what CCP did with multibroadcasting and multiplexing (bye bye, ISBoxer).
And if the accessibility of reviews on a PC platform are what can kill a game, then I am absolutely shocked that Eve Online still exists as a game given its nature.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.29 02:46:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:Void Echo wrote:Kiiran-B wrote:Well from what we can speculate, ItGÇÿs unlikley it will port to PC so I see it maybe going on PS4.
At fanfest they said they are still working on Legion but that their main priority was keeping their player base on DUST514 happy.
IF Legion is indeed still being developed for PC and IF it is still on track for future release, itGÇÿd be silly to port DUST514 over to PC, theyGÇÿve stated that they intend to keep DUST alive even while Legion is up and running, but if anything was going to be ported to PS4 then itGÇÿs more logical to try and get the DUST playerbase over to Legion and then port that to PS4.
TL:DR: Dust wonGÇÿt be ported, theyGÇÿll use it as a guinea pig for Legion and if any PS4 port is on the table itGÇÿll be Legion.
Could be a long shot since its CCP but there you go. You can't get dust to legion if over 50% of the players can't afford pc True. Although it might attract PC players from EVEside or PS2, itGÇÿs a tough one. My point was that it wonGÇÿt be DUST that gets ported itGÇÿll be Legion, even without those people. CCP feel that they can do more on PC, and if that leads to a PS4 port then theyGÇÿll be happy with that. I donGÇÿt know, it could go either way for them. Either way I hope they learn and donGÇÿt make the same mistakes that they did with DUST.
I hope they don't make the same mistake either and I hope CCP Rattati is given charge of such an endeavor rather than CCP Z.
Also, please read my last post regarding the name Eve Legion.
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Maken Tosch wrote: Snippety snip.
/Tangent/ Actually, looking at the EVE numbers there does unfortunately seem to be seeing some serious decline happening. The average concurrent online users is at a low not seen since 2008. /EndTangent/
While reviews may not completely break a game, they can certainly hurt it, and CCP is going into this with big name reviews saying things like, "Although Dust 514 might be free-to-play, it's not worth a moment of your time," and "The ideas behind it are clearly strong, but so is the disappointment."
Being innovative does not guarantee success. It's all about the execution. MAG was hugely innovative with its own skill tree and massive 256 person battles. However, even coming from a developer that was around from even before CCP and was widely considered a powerhouse for good games with its SOCOM franchise, and even with its successful initial launch, MAG was shut down 4 years in nearly to the day and Zipper went under.
Why?
Because Zipper failed to continue to deliver quality content over an extended period of time. And that is something that CCP quite honestly has a horrible track record for.
CCPs luck with people putting up with them getting it right "EventuallyGäó" is going to bite them here. EVE has a set playerbase and a fairly proven track record that they do in fact figure out how to make a game eventually to fall back on when things go tit up. Dust has less than 1 tenth of that playerbase, and no where near anything that could be considered a successful history, (outside of Rattati who is still recent).
What CCP needs to do is make the safe decision and stay with Sony where they can get outside funding and QA from that won't leech from EVE because on PC they'll have neither option, and if Dust goes down on PC like that, it goes down World of Darkness style.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.29 05:15:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: Snippety snip. /Tangent/ Actually, looking at the EVE numbers there does unfortunately seem to be seeing some serious decline happening. The average concurrent online users is at a low not seen since 2008. /EndTangent/ While reviews may not completely break a game, they can certainly hurt it, and CCP is going into this with big name reviews saying things like, "Although Dust 514 might be free-to-play, it's not worth a moment of your time," and "The ideas behind it are clearly strong, but so is the disappointment." Being innovative does not guarantee success. It's all about the execution. MAG was hugely innovative with its own skill tree and massive 256 person battles. However, even coming from a developer that was around from even before CCP and was widely considered a powerhouse for good games with its SOCOM franchise, and even with its successful initial launch, MAG was shut down 4 years in nearly to the day and Zipper went under. Why? Because Zipper failed to continue to deliver quality content over an extended period of time. And that is something that CCP quite honestly has a horrible track record for. CCPs luck with people putting up with them getting it right "EventuallyGäó" is going to bite them here. EVE has a set playerbase and a fairly proven track record that they do in fact figure out how to make a game eventually to fall back on when things go tit up. Dust has less than 1 tenth of that playerbase, and no where near anything that could be considered a successful history, (outside of Rattati who is still recent). What CCP needs to do is make the safe decision and stay with Sony where they can get outside funding and QA from that won't leech from EVE because on PC they'll have neither option, and if Dust goes down on PC like that, it goes down World of Darkness style.
You do raise valid concerns. But just so you know, DO NOT compare Dust going to PC to World of Darkness. WoD didn't even make it past alpha testing before it was permanently shelved. Dust is at least making some money and it made it past beta.
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Posted - 2015.07.29 05:21:00 -
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Prefer PC because less problems with applying patches, not having to rework the system for another console and future versions of console and PC is just better imo for shooters. Less Aim Assist.
Hope for PC & PS4 because the console player base, even though is microscopically small, is still among the players that stuck through BS for 3y.
If I could only pick one, PC.
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Posted - 2015.07.29 05:47:00 -
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For PC cons, you forgot to mention botting/hacking/ISK sellers. On the PC it's a lot easier for cheaters/spammers to produce automated tools that will ruin the game. I really don't think CCP is capable of managing this problem with the existing resources. You're talking about hiring an army of people to keep on top of the problem. That's a huge chunk of the budget that could otherwise go to employing artists, coders, etc.
Best PvE idea ever!
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