DUST Search - Porting Dust 514 - Debate on where to port.

Maken Tosch wrote:

Daddrobit wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Snippety snip.

/Tangent/ Actually, looking at the EVE numbers there does unfortunately seem to be seeing some serious decline happening. The average concurrent online users is at a low not seen since 2008. /EndTangent/

While reviews may not completely break a game, they can certainly hurt it, and CCP is going into this with big name reviews saying things like, "Although Dust 514 might be free-to-play, it's not worth a moment of your time," and "The ideas behind it are clearly strong, but so is the disappointment."

Being innovative does not guarantee success. It's all about the execution. MAG was hugely innovative with its own skill tree and massive 256 person battles. However, even coming from a developer that was around from even before CCP and was widely considered a powerhouse for good games with its SOCOM franchise, and even with its successful initial launch, MAG was shut down 4 years in nearly to the day and Zipper went under.

Why?

Because Zipper failed to continue to deliver quality content over an extended period of time. And that is something that CCP quite honestly has a horrible track record for.

CCPs luck with people putting up with them getting it right "EventuallyGäó" is going to bite them here. EVE has a set playerbase and a fairly proven track record that they do in fact figure out how to make a game eventually to fall back on when things go tit up. Dust has less than 1 tenth of that playerbase, and no where near anything that could be considered a successful history, (outside of Rattati who is still recent).

What CCP needs to do is make the safe decision and stay with Sony where they can get outside funding and QA from that won't leech from EVE because on PC they'll have neither option, and if Dust goes down on PC like that, it goes down World of Darkness style.

You do raise valid concerns. But just so you know, DO NOT compare Dust going to PC to World of Darkness. WoD didn't even make it past alpha testing before it was permanently shelved. Dust is at least making some money and it made it past beta.

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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 06:02:00 - [31] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: For PC cons, you forgot to mention botting/hacking/ISK sellers. On the PC it's a lot easier for cheaters/spammers to produce automated tools that will ruin the game. I really don't think CCP is capable of managing this problem with the existing resources. You're talking about hiring an army of people to keep on top of the problem. That's a huge chunk of the budget that could otherwise go to employing artists, coders, etc. CCP doesn't have that kind of problem in Eve Online. They have an entire security team dedicated to just that alone and they are very effective at cracking down on bot users, RMT rings, and more. They even have a Fanfest keynote about it every year showing how they are doing. And let me tell you, it's amazing how much they achieved. One little-known fact here is that Tranquility is a very peculiar server. It monitors everything and tracks everything. But it doesn't stop there. It has its own built in system that detects unusual activity based on numerous factors including human behavior patterns and then flags those unusual activities for the security team to then look into. They even figured out how to connect two seemingly unrelated accounts together that were involved in RMT rings. Just ask the Eve Online players. They will tell you this. No joke. If Dust were to ever get ported over to the PC, it will only enhance the connection to the Tranquility server which means one thing. Big Brother will now be able to watch you even more. PS: Any attempt to manipulate data streaming between the client and server is also carefully monitored in Eve Online. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 401	Posted - 2015.07.29 09:53:00 - [32] - Quote Personally as an owner of pc and consoles I wouldn't mind i they actually went cross platform and had pc and ps4 in the same battles. I have already read the posts stating that aim botters are bad, but so are console users with turbo controllers and devices that modify input so they can have aim assist and mouse and keyboard controls - there really isn't a lot to be proud of either way in my opinion. I know in the past I have posted about the total integration of EVE and DUST i.e. make them the same game rather than 2 seperate ones but i have to acknowledge the feeling I had when Legion was originally touted. Even as an owner of both platforms I was pssd and i sure as heck wasn't cheering. I had friends in game that are part of the console community that if ported wouldn't be part of the game anymore etc. This is not to say i don't think the avatar gameplay in EVE doesn't have a place in New eden. I guess my point as far as the future of DUST is concerned is that it should be released for PC and PS4 in my opinion. As for integration maybe not push for greater integration of the games to begin with but acceptance of the communities. We have started with shared chat and bonuses to EVE players structures and progress. EVE players have the ability to provide Orbital Bombardments and support us in return for killmails and LP (in FW). How many of the eve players are characters belonging to people who play DUST who have joined EVE out of necessity? A next next step in my opinion is around FW pilots of a militia should receive notifications when their mercs are in battle so they can respond in greater force and maybe get good fights. I also think PC should be expanded into other NPC regions partially to allow pilots to take part who don't live in Molden Heath. But also to give new corps a better chance at taking a district without being smashed by some large group with billions of isk built up from PC1.0 as the clone packs would degrade massively if sent cross region (maybe). Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
v snake Wolf Pack Special Forces 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 11:18:00 - [33] - Quote The most convenient place to port dust to is PS4 cayse its the ps store already it is on psn, all it needs Base wise is available, I would also believe tht porting to next gen, will help gain more fan Base for the game cz it would be better than other games. Never port this game to pc plz!! A lot ofmodders will pick it up a lot of messed up issues will occur to the game n so on. Wat needs to b done is fix n patch a lot of technicals in the game then port a 100% functional MMO to next gen PS4 consoles
Jack Boost Zarena Family 909	Posted - 2015.07.29 11:41:00 - [34] - Quote I ask: Why port? We need jump over port DUST 514 and make next level of DUST 514. Just port means on next gen console ... just another 'FIFA 20xx style game... and nothing more. No - for this. PS3 - DUST 514 -> end like VR room for newones. NEXT platform - all that CCP can squize from 'EVE universe' and what people have hope for -> Soon (tm) ship/station attacks. Massive sovergenity role for Eve. Preferable PC. With good API from CCP, players suport and little luck this universe can shine and not be forgoten in the future. Not much time left...
501st Headstrong Vader's-Fist 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 11:57:00 - [35] - Quote I don't care massively where it goes as I need a powerful laptop for college and already have a PS4 However, the amount of vets on the PS4 is mindboggling, and I truly do feel Dust would do very well there. Planetside is fun...but I doubt I'll play it nearly as ling as two years of Dust and for 23 hours a day like Dust. Either way, port. Thanks Maken for the discussion Going for 100% in Planetary Conquest when I return... Vader's-Fist- Everything burns... Be back tomorrow XD
Mortedeamor Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:21:00 - [36] - Quote i hope it goes to pc if not oh well dust 514 ruined console gaming for me pc master race PORT IT CCP
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:27:00 - [37] - Quote PC. CCP is more used to PC. PC games last longer due to not being restricted by system. Test servers and better connection to EVE. Can piggyback off the EVE playerbase to bolster numbers. The ONLY thing PS4 has going in its favor is current playerbase. Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:28:00 - [38] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: For PC cons, you forgot to mention botting/hacking/ISK sellers. On the PC it's a lot easier for cheaters/spammers to produce automated tools that will ruin the game. Jadek linked an article about the PS4 accepting input from a PC via bluetooth, which opens the door for all kinds of 3rd party mischief. As consoles try desperately to be PCs more every generation this "B-b-but consoles don't have haxzors!" becomes a less valid argument. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Ghost Kaisar Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:29:00 - [39] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Daddrobit wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Snippety snip. /Tangent/ Actually, looking at the EVE numbers there does unfortunately seem to be seeing some serious decline happening. The average concurrent online users is at a low not seen since 2008. /EndTangent/ While reviews may not completely break a game, they can certainly hurt it, and CCP is going into this with big name reviews saying things like, "Although Dust 514 might be free-to-play, it's not worth a moment of your time," and "The ideas behind it are clearly strong, but so is the disappointment." Being innovative does not guarantee success. It's all about the execution. MAG was hugely innovative with its own skill tree and massive 256 person battles. However, even coming from a developer that was around from even before CCP and was widely considered a powerhouse for good games with its SOCOM franchise, and even with its successful initial launch, MAG was shut down 4 years in nearly to the day and Zipper went under. Why? Because Zipper failed to continue to deliver quality content over an extended period of time. And that is something that CCP quite honestly has a horrible track record for. CCPs luck with people putting up with them getting it right "EventuallyGäó" is going to bite them here. EVE has a set playerbase and a fairly proven track record that they do in fact figure out how to make a game eventually to fall back on when things go tit up. Dust has less than 1 tenth of that playerbase, and no where near anything that could be considered a successful history, (outside of Rattati who is still recent). What CCP needs to do is make the safe decision and stay with Sony where they can get outside funding and QA from that won't leech from EVE because on PC they'll have neither option, and if Dust goes down on PC like that, it goes down World of Darkness style. You do raise valid concerns. But just so you know, DO NOT compare Dust going to PC to World of Darkness. WoD didn't even make it past alpha testing before it was permanently shelved. Dust is at least making some money and it made it past beta. Bullsh*t, we still ain't out of beta. Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 156	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:48:00 - [40] - Quote On man, why are you guys clinging so hard to this porting idea? Why do you refuse to accept that it is more likely they are milking as much as they can get back from their losses? It's been what, 17 months since we saw that upsampled quarter of spine crescent. They binned it, and because they are not stupid they won't tell you. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.

deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:54:00 - [41] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: On man, why are you guys clinging so hard to this porting idea? Why do you refuse to accept that it is more likely they are milking as much as they can get back from their losses? It's been what, 17 months since we saw that upsampled quarter of spine crescent. They binned it, and because they are not stupid they won't tell you. Sadly I very much agree with you. The possibility that they are just milking everything they can out of Dust is very real. If you told me in a year that CCPs only console game is Valkyrie I would not be surprised in the slightest. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.29 12:55:00 - [42] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: On man, why are you guys clinging so hard to this porting idea? Why do you refuse to accept that it is more likely they are milking as much as they can get back from their losses? It's been what, 17 months since we saw that upsampled quarter of spine crescent. They binned it, and because they are not stupid they won't tell you. http://imgur.com/BnAHCmy @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Alcina Nektaria KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 74	Posted - 2015.07.29 13:53:00 - [43] - Quote I am not sure anyone addressed this point but.... What makes anyone think that EvE players will automatically pick up a FPS game if Dust is ported to PC? Generally speaking, Eve Pilots play Eve so much because of the ability to multitask and because there is so much to do. It is in no way a FPS game. Some would argue they'd try it out maybe for loyalty to CCP, but I don't even think that would bring over a quarter of pilots. Not even the lore would do that. Also as I have said a few times on previous threads about this; How is someone expected to run two games on their PC at one time (ie: Eve and Dust) both require a certain level of attention, Dust requiring more attention due to it is a full on combat game. Aside from that, not everyone has a PC capable of running two games at once. This is why I think the whole "Eve Pilots would take advantage of this game" argument is a moot point. From where I stand it makes no sense. *KEQ Diplomat* Gallente Loyalist ... Come at me bro. A grenade to the head will most certainly get you dead.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:34:00 - [44] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: I am not sure anyone addressed this point but.... What makes anyone think that EvE players will automatically pick up a FPS game if Dust is ported to PC? Generally speaking, Eve Pilots play Eve so much because of the ability to multitask and because there is so much to do. It is in no way a FPS game. Some would argue they'd try it out maybe for loyalty to CCP, but I don't even think that would bring over a quarter of pilots. Not even the lore would do that. Also as I have said a few times on previous threads about this; How is someone expected to run two games on their PC at one time (ie: Eve and Dust) both require a certain level of attention, Dust requiring more attention due to it is a full on combat game. Aside from that, not everyone has a PC capable of running two games at once. This is why I think the whole "Eve Pilots would take advantage of this game" argument is a moot point. From where I stand it makes no sense. Just look around on the Eve Online forums and you will see plenty of Eve players who are willing to play Dust if it ever gets ported over to the PC. Some of them are a little elitist, but not all them. But they are willing to try the game if it's on a platform they are ok with. Eve Online is not that resource intensive from what I have personally seen. There is a common joke in the Eve community that if your computer is powered by a potato then you can play Eve Online just fine with multiple clients. Because of the ease of which Eve Online allows multitasking, it is no surprise that a number of Eve players play other games while running Eve Online. If I recall correctly, I think Deezy was piloting his destroyer in FW space, fighting off low-sec pirates while providing OB support in Eve Online for Dust players, all while playing FW in Dust 514 at the same time. I think he recorded it on YouTube but I can't find the video. It was something he showed me while we were discussing how to improve FW for Dust 514. So as you can see, it does make sense. If players like Deezy are able to pull it off no problem, then a pilot who is bored looking at the space rocks he/she is mining will simply switch to Dust on the PC while periodically checking up on his Eve-side progress since Eve Online now has audio queues that can be set to sound off while minimized as a client. It's pretty easy. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 143	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:37:00 - [45] - Quote So rumor has it PSN has announced no support for Dust on PS3 after December to prepare for the Valkyrie game on PS4. So it looks like it won't be going anywhere.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:40:00 - [46] - Quote In regards to my 4th point about the pros of porting Dust to the PC: 4. Dust 514 players will have access to better tools that may not be normally practical to implement on a console setting. This is something that will likely benefit vehicle users such as dropship pilots. Since the dropship is handling like a helicopter, a joystick becomes more practical to have and use compared to a controller or even a keyboard. Although joysticks can be connected to the console if they are designed for it and if the console can accept the hardware, but so far Dust doesn't seem to be coded to accept the joystick so players are stuck with the controller and keyboard for now. But still, a part of me also wants Dust on the PS4 for reasons I have already explained. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:41:00 - [47] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: So rumor has it PSN has announced no support for Dust on PS3 after December to prepare for the Valkyrie game on PS4. So it looks like it won't be going anywhere. If that is true [CITATION NEEDED] then that only means PC is the likely direction for Dust. CCP did say they are interested in going for the PC as CCP Rouge said during his wedding. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:44:00 - [48] - Quote BARAGAMOS wrote: So rumor has it PSN has announced no support for Dust on PS3 after December to prepare for the Valkyrie game on PS4. So it looks like it won't be going anywhere. Cleopatra once gave me a handie while I fought off 300 Spartans with nothing but a frozen dachshund and a revolver. I can make up ** too. Or do you have a link to go along with your post? @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley** on Skype!
Fralin Tredis DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:45:00 - [49] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: just get an alienware u wot m8?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 16:58:00 - [50] - Quote Alcina Nektaria wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: 4. Players will probably have to give up all of their ISK and maybe some of their assets as this would mean the game is starting over. Though some assets like BPOs, Skins, AUR, etc. might still be kept depending on how extensive Dust is changed during the porting process. 5. Many players who were hoping for a PC port will be disappointed. 1. Players will finally have access to the test server since a PC will be able to handle it better. 1. CCP will have to figure out how to transfer ownership of the assets from the PSN account to a PC-based account. They will likely be able to work with Sony on this. 2. Players might not be able to keep everything during the transfer such as their ISK. I'm confident CCP might come up with ways to compensate the players who wish to transfer their assets. 4. Many console players who don't want to own or are not able to afford a PC will not be able to benefit from this and thus become disappointed. Just speaking on those terms above.... Not necessarily true about giving up assets. There are many games that allow you to keep all of your assets, money, levels, skills, etc. with a simple character transfer. This can easily be done with a simple code they can add in game and upon startup. A test server may actually be possible with a PS4 console because the technology in them is roughly 8 years ahead of the PS3 and they are in fact closer to the build of a PC than you may realize (especially with the ability to not overheat as badly as PS3 AND some PCs) And lastly on your points, I believe that people wanting the PC port are FAR fewer than the people who want next gen console port. That is a validated opinion just from what I have seen on various forum posts. Edit: Also, I agree with you regarding the starting over. I"m sorry but NO I would NOT play dust on another system if I had to start over. I worked very hard for everything I have including my 90mil lifetime sp. For the record, I am ok with losing all of my ISK. But only the ISK. ISK can be easily recovered. SP, AUR and BPOs on the other hand... I want to keep those. I invested a lot of time and money getting these things and I don't want to let go of them as those are NOT easily recovered. But most importantly I want to be able to keep my name. I remember CCP saying they want to retain some of our progress somehow and hopefully even our name back when Project Legion was announced. But that was a long time ago and I am now worried. But all you need is to use the email that is attached to the account and hopefully that is enough to help CCP do the transfer of your assets. Just remember that CCP already owns the assets that you have because they are stored only on CCP's servers. Sony only has control of your PSN account, not your assets. As for SP in particular, that will depend on a how the skill tree is when Dust is ported over either to the PS4 or the PC. If the skill tree is changed as such that it requires less total SP than before, then we might see our lifetime SP be reduced accordingly. If it stays the same or if the lifetime requirement to max it out is increased, then we might be able to keep all of our current SP. But there is no guarantee that CCP will keep that kind of promise. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy

Devadander Woodgrain Atari 468	Posted - 2015.07.29 17:01:00 - [51] - Quote The hook is cross-platform. PC gamepads are cheap trash when compared to a ds3. (show me a pic of a bada$$ one for 500$ and ill show you a 50$ champion) PC FPS are twitch through and through. "Master race" gives you insight to the mentality of PC gamers. PC=Microsoft=Beelzebub in most sony fans eyes, which is who you are surrounded by when playing dust. PC= Screw you guys. With love, CCP. if FanFest 14 taught us anything. I'm typing this from my PC, I game on the ps3, and I'm FAR from the only one. I'm buying a ps4 in OCT. Even if it means not upgrading my PC. MOST sony fans will be after a 4 by the end of this year due to franchise releases alone. js Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 17:04:00 - [52] - Quote Devadander wrote: The hook is cross-platform. PC gamepads are cheap trash when compared to a ds3. (show me a pic of a bada$$ one for 500$ and ill show you a 50$ champion) PC FPS are twitch through and through. "Master race" gives you insight to the mentality of PC gamers. PC=Microsoft=Beelzebub in most sony fans eyes, which is who you are surrounded by when playing dust. PC= Screw you guys. With love, CCP. if FanFest 14 taught us anything. I'm typing this from my PC, I game on the ps3, and I'm FAR from the only one. I'm buying a ps4 in OCT. Even if it means not upgrading my PC. MOST sony fans will be after a 4 by the end of this year due to franchise releases alone. js That highlighted part is one of the downsides of going to PC. We lose the cross-platform connection and end up on one platform only. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.29 17:05:00 - [53] - Quote Devadander wrote: The hook is cross-platform. PC gamepads are cheap trash when compared to a ds3. (show me a pic of a bada$$ one for 500$ and ill show you a 50$ champion) You do know you can hook up a DS3 and DS4 to a PC, right? It's easy. Or use an Xbox controller. KBM. Whatever you feel more comfortable with. http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/how-to-connect-a-ps3-controller-to-a-pc/ See? It can even sync up via bluetooth if you want to go wireless. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 17:08:00 - [54] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Devadander wrote: The hook is cross-platform. PC gamepads are cheap trash when compared to a ds3. (show me a pic of a bada$$ one for 500$ and ill show you a 50$ champion) You do know you can hook up a DS3 and DS4 to a PC, right? It's easy. Or use an Xbox controller. KBM. Whatever you feel more comfortable with. OH yeah! I forgot about that. I have a Chinese-made receiver that I can hook up to my PC and connect my X360 controller to. No, I didn't use the software that came with the receiver. I downloaded it instead directly from the Microsoft website. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.29 17:09:00 - [55] - Quote Overall, what do you think of this discussion so far? CCP, what do you think? Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.07.29 18:04:00 - [56] - Quote Even if a PC game would be a better game (i own a ps4 and i hope in a console port), it would be plagued with cheaters. Regressed to blueberry level.
DJIPS Affectionate Moon Warmth Gentle Earth 33	Posted - 2015.07.29 18:25:00 - [57] - Quote I want to be told by devs that "We decided to port Dust 514".
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.07.29 18:35:00 - [58] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Overall, what do you think of this discussion so far? CCP, what do you think? I hope that we've made it clear that we all want DUST to be ported. What platform DUST goes to is second to actually getting a port in the first place. @CCP - WE WANT A PORT. WE WILL SUPPORT DUST ON WHATEVER PLATFORM IT GOES TO. YOU HAVE OUR SUPPORT, SO JUST GIVE US A PORT ALREADY. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Minja Blog Why can't I just quit?
DUST Fiend 17	Posted - 2015.07.29 19:28:00 - [59] - Quote I have faith that CCP has no desire nor capability to port this game, and is just letting it quietly run its course until the last over sympathetic fan boy finally moves on to greener pastures.
Void Echo Helix Terrestrial Operations LLC 2	Posted - 2015.07.29 19:36:00 - [60] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: Void Echo wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: Well from what we can speculate, ItGÇÿs unlikley it will port to PC so I see it maybe going on PS4. At fanfest they said they are still working on Legion but that their main priority was keeping their player base on DUST514 happy. IF Legion is indeed still being developed for PC and IF it is still on track for future release, itGÇÿd be silly to port DUST514 over to PC, theyGÇÿve stated that they intend to keep DUST alive even while Legion is up and running, but if anything was going to be ported to PS4 then itGÇÿs more logical to try and get the DUST playerbase over to Legion and then port that to PS4. TL:DR: Dust wonGÇÿt be ported, theyGÇÿll use it as a guinea pig for Legion and if any PS4 port is on the table itGÇÿll be Legion. Could be a long shot since its CCP but there you go. You can't get dust to legion if over 50% of the players can't afford pc True. Although it might attract PC players from EVEside or PS2, itGÇÿs a tough one. My point was that it wonGÇÿt be DUST that gets ported itGÇÿll be Legion, even without those people. CCP feel that they can do more on PC, and if that leads to a PS4 port then theyGÇÿll be happy with that. I donGÇÿt know, it could go either way for them. Either way I hope they learn and donGÇÿt make the same mistakes that they did with DUST. Before dust 514 was created hardly any console gamers, psn, Xbox live or Nintendo ever heard of eve online. CCP meant for dust to be an introduction of EVE online into the console universe, that along with the stern fact that there is no blockbuster shooter title for Playstation on the ranks of halo for Xbox means that if CCP went with a pc port all the way, they are basically kissing consoles goodbye forever, CCP's reputations is one of the worst in the gaming industry, give that along with the fact that they essentially wasted 4 years if console players time (closes beta), nobody will ever trust CCP again. Closed Beta Vet. Founder of Helix Terrestrial Operations LLC. Playstation 4 = Future of Dust514.



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