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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 11:27:00 - [1] - Quote One of the most common place excuses that the scrambler is op is WATCH THE KILL FEED! so here you go. PC battle [url]http:// https://youtu.be/zTNoSL5eC6U[/url] domination [url]http:// https://youtu.be/bLXm0mq1SOg[/url] both posted in the last 24 hrs as of this thread being posted. count the kills and tell me what you find Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 11:37:00 - [2] - Quote dom count scr score: 30 rr score: 28 hmg:23 sniper: 12 bolt pistol : 9 laser: 7 md: 6 grenades: 6 re: 4 ar: 4 sg:4 cr:3 fg:3 plc:1 scp: 1 smg:1 installation :1 melee:1 Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.13 11:45:00 - [3] - Quote Now break them down by subtype. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Raven-747 WarRavens D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 101	Posted - 2015.07.13 11:53:00 - [4] - Quote Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. You can complain all you want about lasers. Despite the nerfs it will rip you to shreds.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:02:00 - [5] - Quote That moment when you automatically despise a youtuber as a human being because the put another ****** electronic dance track to a video....... Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:10:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: That moment when you automatically despise a youtuber as a human being because the put another ****** electronic dance track to a video....... WOW, musical taste is that important right?
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:18:00 - [7] - Quote PC hmg: 93 cr: 22 scr: 19 rr: 19 sg:19 re: 13 ar:11 lr:11 bolt pistol: 10 grenades: 9 mass: 9 python : 4 melee: 3 ion pistol:2 smg:2 nk:1 Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 575	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:20:00 - [8] - Quote 2 battles is not enough to justify that the scrambler rifle is still op as ****. https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521458/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521142 Oppose me and you shall incure my wrath.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:21:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Now break them down by subtype. no. But I will tell you that in the dom, 28 scrambler kills were proto, all done by one guy in an ak.0 getting repped by a bunch of logis. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Viktor Hadah Jr 0uter.Heaven 9	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:22:00 - [10] - Quote I'd be interested in a PC count for some more experienced corps. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. I'm kind of a big deal. Get Dust ISK Here

Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:28:00 - [11] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'd be interested in a PC count for some more experienced corps. I just picked a battle that was posted recently. The pc ended up being a more accurate representation of how game balance works with rifles and how in cqc meat grinders, the hmg is still king. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Viktor Hadah Jr 0uter.Heaven 9	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:49:00 - [12] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'd be interested in a PC count for some more experienced corps. I just picked a battle that was posted recently. The pc ended up being a more accurate representation of how game balance works with rifles and how in cqc meat grinders, the hmg is still king. as it should be. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. I'm kind of a big deal. Get Dust ISK Here
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:59:00 - [13] - Quote CCP haven't fixed ScR over a past years. I really don't think that Rats will ever grab his nuts and fix the damn thing. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge No Context 871	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:03:00 - [14] - Quote I still see RRs and CRs more than I do SCRs. I've even switched to the ARR after playing with Heimdllr a few times CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 835	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:44:00 - [15] - Quote On anything other than ak suit the scrambler is balanced by its heat build up; poor players will burn up after the first kill if hey engage a second target too quickly, an average player will be able to manage short fire fights without too much issue and a pro will wreck face, but getting that good really does take time and effort to learn the rhythm of the thing. Turbo pads not withstanding, it's perfectly balanced to do what it was designed to do; engage 1v1 and come out on top. If you're not running it on an assault suit and you try and use it like an assault weapon, you will burn. Which makes me think that the assault suit bonus is the problem; it's too good at negating the balancing factor of the scram, and thus making it OP. I'd rather see the operational skill be changed to 3% reduction to heat build up per level, and the assault suit given a generous bonus to feedback damage reduction and overheat duration reduction. That way, the scram is always useful on any suit type if you invest the so into it, but on the assault suit you can really play dirty with it. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 243	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:54:00 - [16] - Quote ARR Is what is most prominent on the battle field. Since they released the update people have been stacking armor mods and using better range weapons. BOTH RR's and followed but the CR have been melting people's faces off recently. I really don't see the ScR much. And when I do it's paired with a modded controller. CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:01:00 - [17] - Quote LOL KILLZ wrote: ARR Is what is most prominent on the battle field. Since they released the update people have been stacking armor mods and using better range weapons. BOTH RR's and followed but the CR have been melting people's faces off recently. I really don't see the ScR much. And when I do it's paired with a modded controller. this the scrambler rifles extreme noteriety is based entirely on its modded controller usage, without the modded controller its perfectly fine. all the rifles are perfectly balanced if we dont take modded controollers into acocunt. although the scrambler has soome heating bugs with definatly need to be fixed Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:08:00 - [18] - Quote LOL KILLZ wrote: ARR Is what is most prominent on the battle field. Since they released the update people have been stacking armor mods and using better range weapons. BOTH RR's and followed but the CR have been melting people's faces off recently. I really don't see the ScR much. And when I do it's paired with a modded controller. thats just the tiny little tidbit caldari players overlook when they start off on the scrambler, and amarr weapons in general. rails rifles are far more forgiving and less race specific than the scrambler. I don't need to get a caldari suit to get the most out of the rail rifle, the way I have too with a amarr assault. and at 72 m rail rifle optimal, gallente and minmate tech can't compete. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:12:00 - [19] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: dom count scr score: 30 rr score: 28 hmg:23 sniper: 12 bolt pistol : 9 laser: 7 md: 6 grenades: 6 re: 4 ar: 4 sg:4 cr:3 fg:3 plc:1 scp: 1 smg:1 installation :1 melee:1 If I was in that battle, the laser score would not be 7. CCP Archduke is the best GM
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:15:00 - [20] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: On anything other than ak suit the scrambler is balanced by its heat build up; poor players will burn up after the first kill if hey engage a second target too quickly, an average player will be able to manage short fire fights without too much issue and a pro will wreck face, but getting that good really does take time and effort to learn the rhythm of the thing. Turbo pads not withstanding, it's perfectly balanced to do what it was designed to do; engage 1v1 and come out on top. If you're not running it on an assault suit and you try and use it like an assault weapon, you will burn. Which makes me think that the assault suit bonus is the problem; it's too good at negating the balancing factor of the scram, and thus making it OP. I'd rather see the operational skill be changed to 3% reduction to heat build up per level, and the assault suit given a generous bonus to feedback damage reduction and overheat duration reduction. That way, the scram is always useful on any suit type if you invest the so into it, but on the assault suit you can really play dirty with it. Yes, don't screw with anything other than the bonus on the assault. If rat man makes my baby unusable on a Commando ak.0, I will personally run dual laser rifles in spite of him. CCP Archduke is the best GM

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:24:00 - [21] - Quote Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating.
Darken-Sol Intruder Excluder 2	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:31:00 - [22] - Quote Count- -Crotchula wrote: True Adamance wrote: That moment when you automatically despise a youtuber as a human being because the put another ****** electronic dance track to a video....... WOW, musical taste is that important right? Its everything. Your soul laid bare Crush them
Raven-747 WarRavens D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 103	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:31:00 - [23] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. If you have been using scr for a long time like me then you would have noticed the nerf but it seems that you are just another person getting sick of being outskilled or outgunned by a std scr while in proto. Ever thought this, that maybe the person has maxed out his warbarge dmg bonus maybe he is using multiple comp dmg mods on a adv or std suit maybe it was a headshot maybe some other blues were assisting him or maybe he was too good for you. No you just went ahead claiming its op. Please blame the turbo controller not the Scr. You can complain all you want about lasers. Despite the nerfs it will rip you to shreds.
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:38:00 - [24] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. A real Amarr Commando uses a laser rifle as his second weapon. CCP Archduke is the best GM
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 460	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:41:00 - [25] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. A real Amarr Commando uses a laser rifle as his pimary weapon. FTFY :) ZariaOwnsWhips
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:42:00 - [26] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. A real Amarr Commando uses a laser rifle as his pimary weapon. FTFY :) Edited CCP Archduke is the best GM
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 460	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:43:00 - [27] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. This better not be Am Mando QQ. ZariaOwnsWhips
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:45:00 - [28] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that got pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. This better not be Am Mando QQ. Once the mob is riled up there is no stopping them. "I got killed by scr. Scr is OP. Which means that Assault ako is OP. But wait, Commando gets a damage bonus so it must also be OP."-mob CCP Archduke is the best GM
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:50:00 - [29] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Now break them down by subtype. no. But I will tell you that in the dom, 28 scrambler kills were proto, all done by one guy in an ak.0 getting repped by a bunch of logis. The difference between an AHMG and an HMG is a pretty damn important distinction. The difference between ScR and AScR is also rather big. You're providing numbers in a vacuum that makes no differentiation between setups that do not operate the same way. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 15:08:00 - [30] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Now break them down by subtype. no. But I will tell you that in the dom, 28 scrambler kills were proto, all done by one guy in an ak.0 getting repped by a bunch of logis. The difference between an AHMG and an HMG is a pretty damn important distinction. The difference between ScR and AScR is also rather big. You're providing numbers in a vacuum that makes no differentiation between setups that do not operate the same way. which is all the kill feed can provide. kill in a vacuum regardless of setup. making it a dumb way to advocate for balance changes. that's what I am trying to demonstrate, it's unreliability as well as it potential for bias. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.13 15:37:00 - [31] - Quote http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 105	Posted - 2015.07.13 15:49:00 - [32] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Now break them down by subtype. no. But I will tell you that in the dom, 28 scrambler kills were proto, all done by one guy in an ak.0 getting repped by a bunch of logis. Looked at this nearly laugh then remembered seeing this two matches ago..... kind a sad when an Assualt is favored over a heavy when it comes to logi combos... just my opinion though.... One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.13 15:52:00 - [33] - Quote Scrambler isn't OP, just VERY powerful in 1v1 or 1v2 situations. You have amazing burst damage, but lack the drawn out DPS of the other rifles. I'm still convinced that the best 1v1 suit in the game is the Amarr Assault with a scrambler. I don't see how you should lose a 1v1 in that suit, with your amazing burst and tankiness. Granted, you're really slow and have no decent regen, so its not made to weather an assault without support, unlike the Gallente or Caldari. Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 105	Posted - 2015.07.13 15:53:00 - [34] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Heh.... kinda doesn' t prove a thing.... this is just economics. It could mean tons of people Don't use it. It could also mean it is rarely lost in battles..... Plus using this logic wouldn't that mean the rr is op? Or is that the ar with tons of buys? One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Vitharr Foebane 2	Posted - 2015.07.13 15:59:00 - [35] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle Amarr Omnisoldier: Assault, Commando, Logistics, Scout, Sentinel at V My faith is in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 16:02:00 - [36] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle The Scrambler Rifle is for a certain breed of mercenary. CCP Archduke is the best GM
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.13 16:04:00 - [37] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle Cause Skill-Cap. Using the scrambler effectively heavily relies on being able to know when to use the weapon in certain ways. Messing up a charge shot into engagement, or not spacing shots correctly at range can be a death sentence. This deters most users from it. I for one, hate the Scrambler. Mainly cause Amarr. I'm a well known Matari loyalist. On a separate issue, I dislike how unreliable it can be in CQC. It's heavily dependent on charge into engagement in CQC. Otherwise, all you can do is spam and hope. Hence why I use my ACR and CR more. Reliable and versatile, just the way I like it. Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Darken-Sol Intruder Excluder 2	Posted - 2015.07.13 16:07:00 - [38] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle The Scrambler Rifle is for a certain breed of mercenary. The sith Crush them
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 16:09:00 - [39] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle The Scrambler Rifle is for a certain breed of mercenary. The sith That's correct. Death to the Republic! CCP Archduke is the best GM
Darken-Sol Intruder Excluder 2	Posted - 2015.07.13 16:10:00 - [40] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle The Scrambler Rifle is for a certain breed of mercenary. The sith That's correct. Death to the Republic! If only we had Daala Crush them

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.13 18:14:00 - [41] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Heh.... kinda doesn' t prove a thing.... this is just economics. It could mean tons of people Don't use it. It could also mean it is rarely lost in battles..... Plus using this logic wouldn't that mean the rr is op? Or is that the ar with tons of buys? Looking at the killfeed doesn't prove a thing either. My point here is that correlation does not, and never will, equal causation. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.13 18:18:00 - [42] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Heh.... kinda doesn' t prove a thing.... this is just economics. It could mean tons of people Don't use it. It could also mean it is rarely lost in battles..... Plus using this logic wouldn't that mean the rr is op? Or is that the ar with tons of buys? Looking at the killfeed doesn't prove a thing either. My point here is that correlation does not, and never will, equal causation. But it is a healthy indicator that something might be up. OP is still wrong. Just noting that. I just see that quote thrown all over the place. It isn't wrong, but you should never ignore correlation. You investigate it. Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.13 18:32:00 - [43] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Heh.... kinda doesn' t prove a thing.... this is just economics. It could mean tons of people Don't use it. It could also mean it is rarely lost in battles..... Plus using this logic wouldn't that mean the rr is op? Or is that the ar with tons of buys? Looking at the killfeed doesn't prove a thing either. My point here is that correlation does not, and never will, equal causation. But it is a healthy indicator that something might be up. OP is still wrong. Just noting that. I just see that quote thrown all over the place. It isn't wrong, but you should never ignore correlation. You investigate it. I'm not even considering it a healthy indicator when the Kill Feed and the Dust.Thang.DK have highly conflicting reports. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.07.13 18:40:00 - [44] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Stormblade Green wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Heh.... kinda doesn' t prove a thing.... this is just economics. It could mean tons of people Don't use it. It could also mean it is rarely lost in battles..... Plus using this logic wouldn't that mean the rr is op? Or is that the ar with tons of buys? Looking at the killfeed doesn't prove a thing either. My point here is that correlation does not, and never will, equal causation. But it is a healthy indicator that something might be up. OP is still wrong. Just noting that. I just see that quote thrown all over the place. It isn't wrong, but you should never ignore correlation. You investigate it. I'm not even considering it a healthy indicator when the Kill Feed and the Dust.Thang.DK have highly conflicting reports. I wasn't referring specifically to that situation. I'm not addressing the kill feed and Dust Thang, just the saying. In general: Correlation should have you investigating. You don't assume causation. But you look into the possibility if its plausible. Big emphasis on plausible. Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2015.07.13 18:48:00 - [45] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: I wasn't referring specifically to that situation. I'm not addressing the kill feed and Dust Thang, just the saying. In general: Correlation should have you investigating. You don't assume causation. But you look into the possibility if its plausible. Big emphasis on plausible. I agree. But we need to see real connections in order to say for certain what is really going on. If the kill feed was ever a clue, then the Dust.Thang report would have showed similar results. But even then, it's not 100% accurate. We would need a report directly from CCP Rattati himself on which weapons were actually used the most in every match. That would help with making the connection. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 467	Posted - 2015.07.13 20:29:00 - [46] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: One of the most common place excuses that the scrambler is op is WATCH THE KILL FEED! so here you go. PC battle [url]http:// https://youtu.be/zTNoSL5eC6U[/url] domination [url]http:// https://youtu.be/bLXm0mq1SOg[/url] both posted in the last 24 hrs as of this thread being posted. count the kills and tell me what you find Edit: results posted below. To clarify, it isn't to prove or disprove whether the scrambler is op. rather it's to demonstrate what a stupid idea it is to say "look at the kill feed" In balancing, you have to look at the data over a specific period of time across all game modes. Other wise, by the "killfeed" logic, combat rifles need a serious buff and the rail rifles need be nerfed just as hard as the scramblers. i usualy see a good mix of weapons but you have to remember just because its on the kill feed alot it does not take into account player skill and team balance Have garbage gun game? Throw a Core.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.13 21:33:00 - [47] - Quote Count- -Crotchula wrote: True Adamance wrote: That moment when you automatically despise a youtuber as a human being because the put another ****** electronic dance track to a video....... WOW, musical taste is that important right? It automatically undermined the seriousness/competitive nature of the match by being completely out of place. So yeah it does matter. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 22:54:00 - [48] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: dom count scr score: 30 rr score: 28 hmg:23 sniper: 12 bolt pistol : 9 laser: 7 md: 6 grenades: 6 re: 4 ar: 4 sg:4 cr:3 fg:3 plc:1 scp: 1 smg:1 installation :1 melee:1 I think you kind of made the point you are arguing against. Because, that's why.
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 23:51:00 - [49] - Quote HMG total kills: 116 ScR total kills: 49 RR total kills: 47 CR total kills: 25 Bolt pistol total kills: 19 Laser total kills: 18 RE total kills: 17 Grenade total kills: 15 MD total kills: 15 AR total kills: 15 Sad days for the AR and the MD. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.14 01:37:00 - [50] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. Combat Rifle has a significantly higher potential DPS against armour than the ScR. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.07.14 10:33:00 - [51] - Quote Raven-747 wrote: If you have been using scr for a long time like me then you would have noticed the nerf but it seems that you are just another person getting sick of being outskilled or outgunned by a std scr while in proto. Ever thought this, that maybe the person has maxed out his warbarge dmg bonus maybe he is using multiple comp dmg mods on a adv or std suit maybe it was a headshot maybe some other blues were assisting him or maybe he was too good for you. No you just went ahead claiming its op. Please blame the turbo controller not the Scr. your post contains only empty words and have butthurt scrub written all over it. I never said anything about it being OP, I just stated the facts. anyway, enjoy your scrub + zero credibility status from now on. Regnier Feros wrote: This better not be Am Mando QQ. I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ nevertheless, I really enjoy the ability to empty two SCR clips without overheating
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.14 11:45:00 - [52] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: This better not be Am Mando QQ. I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ nevertheless, I really enjoy the ability to empty two SCR clips without overheating I kind of feel like you are completely squandering the suit in its entirety. Laser is a much better secondary than another ASCR giving you significantly greater flexibility, range, and total potential killing power especially when working in tandem with another Amarr Commando. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
SIRAJKNIGHT G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 198	Posted - 2015.07.14 11:46:00 - [53] - Quote No do not change any of the weapon stats, adjust your gameplay.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.14 11:51:00 - [54] - Quote To me, these indicators and my in game experiences, just show that rifles are very balanced. There are many more weapons more worthy of CCP's attention before they spend time tweaking rifles yet again.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.14 12:20:00 - [55] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: One of the most common place excuses that the scrambler is op is WATCH THE KILL FEED! so here you go. PC battle [url]http:// https://youtu.be/zTNoSL5eC6U[/url] domination [url]http:// https://youtu.be/bLXm0mq1SOg[/url] both posted in the last 24 hrs as of this thread being posted. count the kills and tell me what you find Edit: results posted below. To clarify, it isn't to prove or disprove whether the scrambler is op. rather it's to demonstrate what a stupid idea it is to say "look at the kill feed" In balancing, you have to look at the data over a specific period of time across all game modes. Other wise, by the "killfeed" logic, combat rifles need a serious buff and the rail rifles need be nerfed just as hard as the scramblers. Yeah the killfeed is susceptible to the fallacy of small numbers. However "the data" of all aggregated kills doesn't necessarily account for all relevant points of information itself - it can certainly give you a better foundation to work with though. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 475	Posted - 2015.07.14 12:25:00 - [56] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: This better not be Am Mando QQ. I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ nevertheless, I really enjoy the ability to empty two SCR clips without overheating I kind of feel like you are completely squandering the suit in its entirety. Laser is a much better secondary than another ASCR giving you significantly greater flexibility, range, and total potential killing power especially when working in tandem with another Amarr Commando. I'm still waiting on a av laser ^-^ ZariaOwnsWhips
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.07.14 12:58:00 - [57] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: This better not be Am Mando QQ. I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ nevertheless, I really enjoy the ability to empty two SCR clips without overheating I kind of feel like you are completely squandering the suit in its entirety. Laser is a much better secondary than another ASCR giving you significantly greater flexibility, range, and total potential killing power especially when working in tandem with another Amarr Commando. I have alot more success with laser on amarr assault, I just dont like it on the commando. less range is no issue for me, I use LAVs to cover it the amount of hatemail for drive by brick tanked SCR commando is also fun and priceless
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.14 13:35:00 - [58] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: dom count scr score: 30 rr score: 28 hmg:23 sniper: 12 bolt pistol : 9 laser: 7 md: 6 grenades: 6 re: 4 ar: 4 sg:4 cr:3 fg:3 plc:1 scp: 1 smg:1 installation :1 melee:1 I think you kind of made the point you are arguing against. being what? You really think that the kill feed accurately depicts what guns are op? Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
CarlitoX Jojooojo 322	Posted - 2015.07.14 14:49:00 - [59] - Quote **** this, your raped ass are op. It's more easier to kill with a acr/cr, that fuckin' sh!it are fuckin op, always was like that. C3Po's alt 00100010 01110000 01101000 01110010 01100001 01110011 01100101 00100010
KingA2thur 74	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:03:00 - [60] - Quote It is still aim assisst that is used to be OP. :/ To get trolled press any key. "I do not see 'any key'. I can only see a square, triangle, circle and cross."

All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 324	Posted - 2015.07.14 17:58:00 - [61] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: This better not be Am Mando QQ. I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ nevertheless, I really enjoy the ability to empty two SCR clips without overheating I kind of feel like you are completely squandering the suit in its entirety. Laser is a much better secondary than another ASCR giving you significantly greater flexibility, range, and total potential killing power especially when working in tandem with another Amarr Commando. I have alot more success with laser on amarr assault, I just dont like it on the commando. less range is no issue for me, I use LAVs to cover it the amount of hatemail for drive by brick tanked SCR commando is also fun and priceless Of course you would do something so lame and scrubby. I'd ** on your lame commando gimmick so fast you'd be back on this thread with spreadsheets and petitions for a scr nerf lmfao. You wouldn't be McReady for these problems Director / Slayer / Emperor**
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.14 18:01:00 - [62] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Jack McReady wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: This better not be Am Mando QQ. I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ nevertheless, I really enjoy the ability to empty two SCR clips without overheating I kind of feel like you are completely squandering the suit in its entirety. Laser is a much better secondary than another ASCR giving you significantly greater flexibility, range, and total potential killing power especially when working in tandem with another Amarr Commando. I have alot more success with laser on amarr assault, I just dont like it on the commando. less range is no issue for me, I use LAVs to cover it the amount of hatemail for drive by brick tanked SCR commando is also fun and priceless Of course you would do something so lame and scrubby. I'd **** on your lame commando gimmick so fast you'd be back on this thread with spreadsheets and petitions for a scr nerf lmfao. You wouldn't be McReady for these problems Someone call the fire station because he just got burned!!! CCP Archduke is the best GM
Georgia Xavier Incorruptibles 872	Posted - 2015.07.14 18:25:00 - [63] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Jack McReady wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: This better not be Am Mando QQ. I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ nevertheless, I really enjoy the ability to empty two SCR clips without overheating I kind of feel like you are completely squandering the suit in its entirety. Laser is a much better secondary than another ASCR giving you significantly greater flexibility, range, and total potential killing power especially when working in tandem with another Amarr Commando. I have alot more success with laser on amarr assault, I just dont like it on the commando. less range is no issue for me, I use LAVs to cover it the amount of hatemail for drive by brick tanked SCR commando is also fun and priceless Of course you would do something so lame and scrubby. I'd **** on your lame commando gimmick so fast you'd be back on this thread with spreadsheets and petitions for a scr nerf lmfao. You wouldn't be McReady for these problems Slow clap damn dude CLICK ME!!
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1	Posted - 2015.07.15 21:52:00 - [64] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: dom count scr score: 30 rr score: 28 hmg:23 sniper: 12 bolt pistol : 9 laser: 7 md: 6 grenades: 6 re: 4 ar: 4 sg:4 cr:3 fg:3 plc:1 scp: 1 smg:1 installation :1 melee:1 I think you kind of made the point you are arguing against. being what? You really think that the kill feed accurately depicts what guns are op? The argument was that the ScR was not OP and that weapons are balanced. What this killfeed shows me is that they are not. It is just one datapoint though. It does pretty much reflect my experience in the game overall. Because, that's why.
SIRAJKNIGHT G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 206	Posted - 2015.07.15 21:52:00 - [65] - Quote nerf the kalaalakalala rail rofle
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.15 23:59:00 - [66] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: dom count scr score: 30 rr score: 28 hmg:23 sniper: 12 bolt pistol : 9 laser: 7 md: 6 grenades: 6 re: 4 ar: 4 sg:4 cr:3 fg:3 plc:1 scp: 1 smg:1 installation :1 melee:1 I think you kind of made the point you are arguing against. being what? You really think that the kill feed accurately depicts what guns are op? The argument was that the ScR was not OP and that weapons are balanced. What this killfeed shows me is that they are not. It is just one datapoint though. It does pretty much reflect my experience in the game overall. by your standards rail rifle is also op and the following need major buffs, cmon, they didnt even break 5 kills. you ought to petition on buffing combat rifle remotes explosive shotguns assault rifle forge guns plama cannons manned installations submachine guns plasma cannons because kill feed. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati


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