DUST Search - watch the kill feed! scrambler op?

Kierkegaard Soren wrote:

On anything other than ak suit the scrambler is balanced by its heat build up; poor players will burn up after the first kill if hey engage a second target too quickly, an average player will be able to manage short fire fights without too much issue and a pro will wreck face, but getting that good really does take time and effort to learn the rhythm of the thing. Turbo pads not withstanding, it's perfectly balanced to do what it was designed to do; engage 1v1 and come out on top. If you're not running it on an assault suit and you try and use it like an assault weapon, you will burn.

Which makes me think that the assault suit bonus is the problem; it's too good at negating the balancing factor of the scram, and thus making it OP. I'd rather see the operational skill be changed to 3% reduction to heat build up per level, and the assault suit given a generous bonus to feedback damage reduction and overheat duration reduction. That way, the scram is always useful on any suit type if you invest the so into it, but on the assault suit you can really play dirty with it.

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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 11:27:00 - [1] - Quote One of the most common place excuses that the scrambler is op is WATCH THE KILL FEED! so here you go. PC battle [url]http:// https://youtu.be/zTNoSL5eC6U[/url] domination [url]http:// https://youtu.be/bLXm0mq1SOg[/url] both posted in the last 24 hrs as of this thread being posted. count the kills and tell me what you find Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 11:37:00 - [2] - Quote dom count scr score: 30 rr score: 28 hmg:23 sniper: 12 bolt pistol : 9 laser: 7 md: 6 grenades: 6 re: 4 ar: 4 sg:4 cr:3 fg:3 plc:1 scp: 1 smg:1 installation :1 melee:1 Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.13 11:45:00 - [3] - Quote Now break them down by subtype. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Raven-747 WarRavens D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 101	Posted - 2015.07.13 11:53:00 - [4] - Quote Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. You can complain all you want about lasers. Despite the nerfs it will rip you to shreds.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 20	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:02:00 - [5] - Quote That moment when you automatically despise a youtuber as a human being because the put another ****** electronic dance track to a video....... Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:10:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: That moment when you automatically despise a youtuber as a human being because the put another ****** electronic dance track to a video....... WOW, musical taste is that important right?
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:18:00 - [7] - Quote PC hmg: 93 cr: 22 scr: 19 rr: 19 sg:19 re: 13 ar:11 lr:11 bolt pistol: 10 grenades: 9 mass: 9 python : 4 melee: 3 ion pistol:2 smg:2 nk:1 Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 575	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:20:00 - [8] - Quote 2 battles is not enough to justify that the scrambler rifle is still op as ****. https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521458/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521142 Oppose me and you shall incure my wrath.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:21:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Now break them down by subtype. no. But I will tell you that in the dom, 28 scrambler kills were proto, all done by one guy in an ak.0 getting repped by a bunch of logis. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Viktor Hadah Jr 0uter.Heaven 9	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:22:00 - [10] - Quote I'd be interested in a PC count for some more experienced corps. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. I'm kind of a big deal. Get Dust ISK Here

Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:28:00 - [11] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'd be interested in a PC count for some more experienced corps. I just picked a battle that was posted recently. The pc ended up being a more accurate representation of how game balance works with rifles and how in cqc meat grinders, the hmg is still king. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
Viktor Hadah Jr 0uter.Heaven 9	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:49:00 - [12] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'd be interested in a PC count for some more experienced corps. I just picked a battle that was posted recently. The pc ended up being a more accurate representation of how game balance works with rifles and how in cqc meat grinders, the hmg is still king. as it should be. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. I'm kind of a big deal. Get Dust ISK Here
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 12:59:00 - [13] - Quote CCP haven't fixed ScR over a past years. I really don't think that Rats will ever grab his nuts and fix the damn thing. Loyal to The State Official Caldari Commando User
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge No Context 871	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:03:00 - [14] - Quote I still see RRs and CRs more than I do SCRs. I've even switched to the ARR after playing with Heimdllr a few times CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
Kierkegaard Soren Eridani Light Horse Battalion 835	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:44:00 - [15] - Quote On anything other than ak suit the scrambler is balanced by its heat build up; poor players will burn up after the first kill if hey engage a second target too quickly, an average player will be able to manage short fire fights without too much issue and a pro will wreck face, but getting that good really does take time and effort to learn the rhythm of the thing. Turbo pads not withstanding, it's perfectly balanced to do what it was designed to do; engage 1v1 and come out on top. If you're not running it on an assault suit and you try and use it like an assault weapon, you will burn. Which makes me think that the assault suit bonus is the problem; it's too good at negating the balancing factor of the scram, and thus making it OP. I'd rather see the operational skill be changed to 3% reduction to heat build up per level, and the assault suit given a generous bonus to feedback damage reduction and overheat duration reduction. That way, the scram is always useful on any suit type if you invest the so into it, but on the assault suit you can really play dirty with it. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing."
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 243	Posted - 2015.07.13 13:54:00 - [16] - Quote ARR Is what is most prominent on the battle field. Since they released the update people have been stacking armor mods and using better range weapons. BOTH RR's and followed but the CR have been melting people's faces off recently. I really don't see the ScR much. And when I do it's paired with a modded controller. CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
Ghosts Chance Intara Direct Action Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:01:00 - [17] - Quote LOL KILLZ wrote: ARR Is what is most prominent on the battle field. Since they released the update people have been stacking armor mods and using better range weapons. BOTH RR's and followed but the CR have been melting people's faces off recently. I really don't see the ScR much. And when I do it's paired with a modded controller. this the scrambler rifles extreme noteriety is based entirely on its modded controller usage, without the modded controller its perfectly fine. all the rifles are perfectly balanced if we dont take modded controollers into acocunt. although the scrambler has soome heating bugs with definatly need to be fixed Minmatar is Winmatar Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind" I am Chances Ghost
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:08:00 - [18] - Quote LOL KILLZ wrote: ARR Is what is most prominent on the battle field. Since they released the update people have been stacking armor mods and using better range weapons. BOTH RR's and followed but the CR have been melting people's faces off recently. I really don't see the ScR much. And when I do it's paired with a modded controller. thats just the tiny little tidbit caldari players overlook when they start off on the scrambler, and amarr weapons in general. rails rifles are far more forgiving and less race specific than the scrambler. I don't need to get a caldari suit to get the most out of the rail rifle, the way I have too with a amarr assault. and at 72 m rail rifle optimal, gallente and minmate tech can't compete. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:12:00 - [19] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: dom count scr score: 30 rr score: 28 hmg:23 sniper: 12 bolt pistol : 9 laser: 7 md: 6 grenades: 6 re: 4 ar: 4 sg:4 cr:3 fg:3 plc:1 scp: 1 smg:1 installation :1 melee:1 If I was in that battle, the laser score would not be 7. CCP Archduke is the best GM
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:15:00 - [20] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: On anything other than ak suit the scrambler is balanced by its heat build up; poor players will burn up after the first kill if hey engage a second target too quickly, an average player will be able to manage short fire fights without too much issue and a pro will wreck face, but getting that good really does take time and effort to learn the rhythm of the thing. Turbo pads not withstanding, it's perfectly balanced to do what it was designed to do; engage 1v1 and come out on top. If you're not running it on an assault suit and you try and use it like an assault weapon, you will burn. Which makes me think that the assault suit bonus is the problem; it's too good at negating the balancing factor of the scram, and thus making it OP. I'd rather see the operational skill be changed to 3% reduction to heat build up per level, and the assault suit given a generous bonus to feedback damage reduction and overheat duration reduction. That way, the scram is always useful on any suit type if you invest the so into it, but on the assault suit you can really play dirty with it. Yes, don't screw with anything other than the bonus on the assault. If rat man makes my baby unusable on a Commando ak.0, I will personally run dual laser rifles in spite of him. CCP Archduke is the best GM

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:24:00 - [21] - Quote Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating.
Darken-Sol Intruder Excluder 2	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:31:00 - [22] - Quote Count- -Crotchula wrote: True Adamance wrote: That moment when you automatically despise a youtuber as a human being because the put another ****** electronic dance track to a video....... WOW, musical taste is that important right? Its everything. Your soul laid bare Crush them
Raven-747 WarRavens D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 103	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:31:00 - [23] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. If you have been using scr for a long time like me then you would have noticed the nerf but it seems that you are just another person getting sick of being outskilled or outgunned by a std scr while in proto. Ever thought this, that maybe the person has maxed out his warbarge dmg bonus maybe he is using multiple comp dmg mods on a adv or std suit maybe it was a headshot maybe some other blues were assisting him or maybe he was too good for you. No you just went ahead claiming its op. Please blame the turbo controller not the Scr. You can complain all you want about lasers. Despite the nerfs it will rip you to shreds.
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:38:00 - [24] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. A real Amarr Commando uses a laser rifle as his second weapon. CCP Archduke is the best GM
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 460	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:41:00 - [25] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. A real Amarr Commando uses a laser rifle as his pimary weapon. FTFY :) ZariaOwnsWhips
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:42:00 - [26] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. A real Amarr Commando uses a laser rifle as his pimary weapon. FTFY :) Edited CCP Archduke is the best GM
Regnier Feros Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 460	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:43:00 - [27] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. This better not be Am Mando QQ. ZariaOwnsWhips
XxBlazikenxX Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:45:00 - [28] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Raven-747 wrote: Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that got pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating. This better not be Am Mando QQ. Once the mob is riled up there is no stopping them. "I got killed by scr. Scr is OP. Which means that Assault ako is OP. But wait, Commando gets a damage bonus so it must also be OP."-mob CCP Archduke is the best GM
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.13 14:50:00 - [29] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Now break them down by subtype. no. But I will tell you that in the dom, 28 scrambler kills were proto, all done by one guy in an ak.0 getting repped by a bunch of logis. The difference between an AHMG and an HMG is a pretty damn important distinction. The difference between ScR and AScR is also rather big. You're providing numbers in a vacuum that makes no differentiation between setups that do not operate the same way. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 15:08:00 - [30] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Now break them down by subtype. no. But I will tell you that in the dom, 28 scrambler kills were proto, all done by one guy in an ak.0 getting repped by a bunch of logis. The difference between an AHMG and an HMG is a pretty damn important distinction. The difference between ScR and AScR is also rather big. You're providing numbers in a vacuum that makes no differentiation between setups that do not operate the same way. which is all the kill feed can provide. kill in a vacuum regardless of setup. making it a dumb way to advocate for balance changes. that's what I am trying to demonstrate, it's unreliability as well as it potential for bias. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. "I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati



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