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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:37:00 -
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http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind.
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Stormblade Green
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:49:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Now break them down by subtype. no. But I will tell you that in the dom, 28 scrambler kills were proto, all done by one guy in an ak.0 getting repped by a bunch of logis.
Looked at this nearly laugh then remembered seeing this two matches ago..... kind a sad when an Assualt is favored over a heavy when it comes to logi combos... just my opinion though....
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:52:00 -
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Scrambler isn't OP, just VERY powerful in 1v1 or 1v2 situations. You have amazing burst damage, but lack the drawn out DPS of the other rifles.
I'm still convinced that the best 1v1 suit in the game is the Amarr Assault with a scrambler. I don't see how you should lose a 1v1 in that suit, with your amazing burst and tankiness. Granted, you're really slow and have no decent regen, so its not made to weather an assault without support, unlike the Gallente or Caldari.
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Stormblade Green
KnightKiller's inc.
105
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:53:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind.
Heh.... kinda doesn' t prove a thing.... this is just economics. It could mean tons of people Don't use it. It could also mean it is rarely lost in battles..... Plus using this logic wouldn't that mean the rr is op? Or is that the ar with tons of buys?
One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
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Vitharr Foebane
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:59:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind.
Still and as always the least used fine rifle
Amarr Omnisoldier: Assault, Commando, Logistics, Scout, Sentinel at V
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XxBlazikenxX
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.13 16:02:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle
The Scrambler Rifle is for a certain breed of mercenary.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.13 16:04:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle
Cause Skill-Cap.
Using the scrambler effectively heavily relies on being able to know when to use the weapon in certain ways.
Messing up a charge shot into engagement, or not spacing shots correctly at range can be a death sentence. This deters most users from it.
I for one, hate the Scrambler. Mainly cause Amarr. I'm a well known Matari loyalist. On a separate issue, I dislike how unreliable it can be in CQC. It's heavily dependent on charge into engagement in CQC. Otherwise, all you can do is spam and hope.
Hence why I use my ACR and CR more. Reliable and versatile, just the way I like it.
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Darken-Sol
Intruder Excluder
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Posted - 2015.07.13 16:07:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle The Scrambler Rifle is for a certain breed of mercenary.
The sith
Crush them
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XxBlazikenxX
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.13 16:09:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle The Scrambler Rifle is for a certain breed of mercenary. The sith
That's correct. Death to the Republic!
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Darken-Sol
Intruder Excluder
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Posted - 2015.07.13 16:10:00 -
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XxBlazikenxX wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Still and as always the least used fine rifle The Scrambler Rifle is for a certain breed of mercenary. The sith That's correct. Death to the Republic!
If only we had Daala
Crush them
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.07.13 18:14:00 -
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Stormblade Green wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Heh.... kinda doesn' t prove a thing.... this is just economics. It could mean tons of people Don't use it. It could also mean it is rarely lost in battles..... Plus using this logic wouldn't that mean the rr is op? Or is that the ar with tons of buys?
Looking at the killfeed doesn't prove a thing either. My point here is that correlation does not, and never will, equal causation.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.13 18:18:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Stormblade Green wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Heh.... kinda doesn' t prove a thing.... this is just economics. It could mean tons of people Don't use it. It could also mean it is rarely lost in battles..... Plus using this logic wouldn't that mean the rr is op? Or is that the ar with tons of buys? Looking at the killfeed doesn't prove a thing either. My point here is that correlation does not, and never will, equal causation.
But it is a healthy indicator that something might be up.
OP is still wrong. Just noting that. I just see that quote thrown all over the place. It isn't wrong, but you should never ignore correlation. You investigate it.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.07.13 18:32:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Stormblade Green wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Heh.... kinda doesn' t prove a thing.... this is just economics. It could mean tons of people Don't use it. It could also mean it is rarely lost in battles..... Plus using this logic wouldn't that mean the rr is op? Or is that the ar with tons of buys? Looking at the killfeed doesn't prove a thing either. My point here is that correlation does not, and never will, equal causation. But it is a healthy indicator that something might be up. OP is still wrong. Just noting that. I just see that quote thrown all over the place. It isn't wrong, but you should never ignore correlation. You investigate it.
I'm not even considering it a healthy indicator when the Kill Feed and the Dust.Thang.DK have highly conflicting reports.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.13 18:40:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Stormblade Green wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Judging by this, the scrambler rifle is falling behind. Heh.... kinda doesn' t prove a thing.... this is just economics. It could mean tons of people Don't use it. It could also mean it is rarely lost in battles..... Plus using this logic wouldn't that mean the rr is op? Or is that the ar with tons of buys? Looking at the killfeed doesn't prove a thing either. My point here is that correlation does not, and never will, equal causation. But it is a healthy indicator that something might be up. OP is still wrong. Just noting that. I just see that quote thrown all over the place. It isn't wrong, but you should never ignore correlation. You investigate it. I'm not even considering it a healthy indicator when the Kill Feed and the Dust.Thang.DK have highly conflicting reports.
I wasn't referring specifically to that situation. I'm not addressing the kill feed and Dust Thang, just the saying.
In general: Correlation should have you investigating. You don't assume causation. But you look into the possibility if its plausible. Big emphasis on plausible.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.07.13 18:48:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:I wasn't referring specifically to that situation. I'm not addressing the kill feed and Dust Thang, just the saying.
In general: Correlation should have you investigating. You don't assume causation. But you look into the possibility if its plausible. Big emphasis on plausible.
I agree. But we need to see real connections in order to say for certain what is really going on.
If the kill feed was ever a clue, then the Dust.Thang report would have showed similar results. But even then, it's not 100% accurate. We would need a report directly from CCP Rattati himself on which weapons were actually used the most in every match. That would help with making the connection.
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.07.13 20:29:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:One of the most common place excuses that the scrambler is op is WATCH THE KILL FEED! so here you go. PC battle [url]http:// https://youtu.be/zTNoSL5eC6U[/url] domination [url]http:// https://youtu.be/bLXm0mq1SOg[/url] both posted in the last 24 hrs as of this thread being posted. count the kills and tell me what you find Edit: results posted below. To clarify, it isn't to prove or disprove whether the scrambler is op. rather it's to demonstrate what a stupid idea it is to say "look at the kill feed" In balancing, you have to look at the data over a specific period of time across all game modes. Other wise, by the "killfeed" logic, combat rifles need a serious buff and the rail rifles need be nerfed just as hard as the scramblers.
i usualy see a good mix of weapons but you have to remember just because its on the kill feed alot it does not take into account player skill and team balance
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.13 21:33:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:True Adamance wrote:That moment when you automatically despise a youtuber as a human being because the put another ****** electronic dance track to a video....... WOW, musical taste is that important right?
It automatically undermined the seriousness/competitive nature of the match by being completely out of place.
So yeah it does matter.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2015.07.13 22:54:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:dom count
scr score: 30
rr score: 28
hmg:23
sniper: 12
bolt pistol : 9
laser: 7
md: 6
grenades: 6
re: 4
ar: 4
sg:4
cr:3
fg:3
plc:1
scp: 1
smg:1
installation :1
melee:1
I think you kind of made the point you are arguing against.
Because, that's why.
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
1
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:51:00 -
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HMG total kills: 116
ScR total kills: 49
RR total kills: 47
CR total kills: 25
Bolt pistol total kills: 19
Laser total kills: 18
RE total kills: 17
Grenade total kills: 15
MD total kills: 15
AR total kills: 15
 Sad days for the AR and the MD.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.14 01:37:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Raven-747 wrote:Nope scrambler is not op. A mk.0 scout getting killed by viziam with x3 comp dmg mods and 5% warbarge dmg bonus, you call that op? Well from what i noticed the acr can pretty much take a hvy head on and take him down. If a CR can do that, then a SCR can too. both weapons have similar dps against armor after all  anyway, I wonder how long it takes for people to realize that for pure SCR melting, the amarr commando is still best cause you can switch to second SCR and fire till both clips are empty without overheating.
Combat Rifle has a significantly higher potential DPS against armour than the ScR.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.07.14 10:33:00 -
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Raven-747 wrote:If you have been using scr for a long time like me then you would have noticed the nerf but it seems that you are just another person getting sick of being outskilled or outgunned by a std scr while in proto. Ever thought this, that maybe the person has maxed out his warbarge dmg bonus maybe he is using multiple comp dmg mods on a adv or std suit maybe it was a headshot maybe some other blues were assisting him or maybe he was too good for you. No you just went ahead claiming its op. Please blame the turbo controller not the Scr.
your post contains only empty words and have butthurt scrub written all over it. I never said anything about it being OP, I just stated the facts. anyway, enjoy your scrub + zero credibility status from now on.
Regnier Feros wrote:This better not be Am Mando QQ.
I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ 
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:45:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Regnier Feros wrote:This better not be Am Mando QQ. I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ nevertheless, I really enjoy the ability to empty two SCR clips without overheating
I kind of feel like you are completely squandering the suit in its entirety. Laser is a much better secondary than another ASCR giving you significantly greater flexibility, range, and total potential killing power especially when working in tandem with another Amarr Commando.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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SIRAJKNIGHT
G0DS AM0NG MEN
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:46:00 -
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No do not change any of the weapon stats, adjust your gameplay. |
Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:51:00 -
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To me, these indicators and my in game experiences, just show that rifles are very balanced.
There are many more weapons more worthy of CCP's attention before they spend time tweaking rifles yet again. |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.07.14 12:20:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:One of the most common place excuses that the scrambler is op is WATCH THE KILL FEED! so here you go. PC battle [url]http:// https://youtu.be/zTNoSL5eC6U[/url] domination [url]http:// https://youtu.be/bLXm0mq1SOg[/url] both posted in the last 24 hrs as of this thread being posted. count the kills and tell me what you find Edit: results posted below. To clarify, it isn't to prove or disprove whether the scrambler is op. rather it's to demonstrate what a stupid idea it is to say "look at the kill feed" In balancing, you have to look at the data over a specific period of time across all game modes. Other wise, by the "killfeed" logic, combat rifles need a serious buff and the rail rifles need be nerfed just as hard as the scramblers.
Yeah the killfeed is susceptible to the fallacy of small numbers. However "the data" of all aggregated kills doesn't necessarily account for all relevant points of information itself - it can certainly give you a better foundation to work with though.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Regnier Feros
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
475
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Posted - 2015.07.14 12:25:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Regnier Feros wrote:This better not be Am Mando QQ. I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ nevertheless, I really enjoy the ability to empty two SCR clips without overheating I kind of feel like you are completely squandering the suit in its entirety. Laser is a much better secondary than another ASCR giving you significantly greater flexibility, range, and total potential killing power especially when working in tandem with another Amarr Commando.
I'm still waiting on a av laser ^-^
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.07.14 12:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Regnier Feros wrote:This better not be Am Mando QQ. I just stated whats currently possible, I dont judge, I let the scrubs rage and QQ nevertheless, I really enjoy the ability to empty two SCR clips without overheating I kind of feel like you are completely squandering the suit in its entirety. Laser is a much better secondary than another ASCR giving you significantly greater flexibility, range, and total potential killing power especially when working in tandem with another Amarr Commando.
I have alot more success with laser on amarr assault, I just dont like it on the commando.
less range is no issue for me, I use LAVs to cover it the amount of hatemail for drive by brick tanked SCR commando is also fun and priceless |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.07.14 13:35:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:dom count
scr score: 30
rr score: 28
hmg:23
sniper: 12
bolt pistol : 9
laser: 7
md: 6
grenades: 6
re: 4
ar: 4
sg:4
cr:3
fg:3
plc:1
scp: 1
smg:1
installation :1
melee:1
I think you kind of made the point you are arguing against.
being what? You really think that the kill feed accurately depicts what guns are op?
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CarlitoX Jojooojo
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:49:00 -
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**** this, your raped ass are op.
It's more easier to kill with a acr/cr, that fuckin' sh!it are fuckin op, always was like that.
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KingA2thur
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:03:00 -
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It is still aim assisst that is used to be OP. :/
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