DUST Search - [Proposal] New Shield Modules

DeathwindRising wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

DeathwindRising wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

DeathwindRising wrote:

but how would they work?

the flux one does what exactly compared to a shield regulator?

the heavy extender is interesting. how much of a nerf to shield recharge and delays would it give? does it effect shield delay, or depleted shield delay? both?

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im sorry! haha

after looking at it.... you need to add how the shield regulators work with the flux extenders

any mods that affect the same attribute are affected by stacking penalties in descending order.

So the first regulator (which has the higher bonus) operates at full value.

a second regulator operates as two modules.

the first Flux shield would be affected as though there were already two of them, as it is the third module to affect the depleted delay (but not the regular delay).

the third Flux would be treated as the fifth module for stacking penalties.

Make sense?

This is just a standard-issue EVE/DUST stacking penalty issue.

i cant find stacking penalties for 8 mods...

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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:38:00 - [1] - Quote Shield Module Expansion Pack DLC (999.99$) By Breakin Stuff, Cat Merc and Ripley Riley This is another short and sweet proposal addressing the lack of module variety offered by the shield tanking side of DUST 514. We believe the current imbalance stems partially from a direct weakness of shields, but also a lack of module variety, making shields a one trick pony. This proposal should mitigate this, in addition to the slight but welcome (we hope) reduction of shield fitting costs. After 5 hours of arguing, name calling, death threats, two pitched firefights, and several clones later with Ripley desperately trying to mediate using cheetos and catnip, we have hammered out what might be a viable pair of additions to the shield tanking module meta: Flux Shield Extender: Developed by Hyasyoda in response to the destructive capacity of the Gallente flux grenades and in competition with the Ishukone Reinforced Extenders, the Flux Hardener is a low-power deflection field which uses an unstable power supply to jump start regeneration of depleted shields as well as provide a direct, moderate boost to shield recharge. Reinforced Shield Extender: Being forced into close quarters with Gallente Black Eagles time and time again prompted Caldari mercenaries to jury-rig a heavy, hardened shield generator capable of outputting far more power than comparable devices by tearing apart and repurposing a shield emitter node taken from a wrecked Harpy assault frigate. Ishukone engineers patented the design then further refined it for use in combat areas where weaker shield extenders would be a liability. Unfortunately the sheer output of the devices destabilize shield regulation and native recharge, slowing both in exchange for superior damage mitigation. Spreadsheet or Rickroll may be found here Trello Card or NSFW Troll Link here WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:40:00 - [2] - Quote 5 hours of arguing over 2% changes. Kill me now. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:41:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 5 hours of arguing over 2% changes. Kill me now. Gladly. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:43:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 5 hours of arguing over 2% changes. Kill me now. Gladly. RIPLEEEEEYYYY! BREAKIN IS PICKING ON ME AGAIN! MAKE HIM STOP! "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:45:00 - [5] - Quote but how would they work? the flux one does what exactly compared to a shield regulator? the heavy extender is interesting.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:45:00 - [6] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: but how would they work? the flux one does what exactly compared to a shield regulator? the heavy extender is interesting. how much of a nerf to shield recharge and delays would it give? does it effect shield delay, or depleted shield delay? both? CLICK THE SPREADSHEET LINK!!! WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:47:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 5 hours of arguing over 2% changes.Kill me now. Gladly. RIPLEEEEEYYYY! BREAKIN IS PICKING ON ME AGAIN! MAKE HIM STOP! Goddamn it you pieces of genetic filth you will pipe down or so help me I will pull this thread over and break your bones in reverse alphabet order! @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:48:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 5 hours of arguing over 2% changes. Kill me now. Gladly. RIPLEEEEEYYYY! BREAKIN IS PICKING ON ME AGAIN! MAKE HIM STOP! Goddamn it you pieces of genetic filth you will pipe down or so help me I will pull this thread over and break your bones in reverse alphabet order! I will sit on both of you, one buttcheek apiece. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:50:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: but how would they work? the flux one does what exactly compared to a shield regulator? the heavy extender is interesting. how much of a nerf to shield recharge and delays would it give? does it effect shield delay, or depleted shield delay? both? CLICK THE SPREADSHEET LINK!!! im sorry! haha after looking at it.... you need to add how the shield regulators work with the flux extenders EDIT: what would your depleted delay look like while running 5 flux extenders and 3 shield regulators?
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:50:00 - [10] - Quote Pisses on both You're both my bitches now. I win. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:53:00 - [11] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: but how would they work? the flux one does what exactly compared to a shield regulator? the heavy extender is interesting. how much of a nerf to shield recharge and delays would it give? does it effect shield delay, or depleted shield delay? both? CLICK THE SPREADSHEET LINK!!! im sorry! haha after looking at it.... you need to add how the shield regulators work with the flux extenders any mods that affect the same attribute are affected by stacking penalties in descending order. So the first regulator (which has the higher bonus) operates at full value. a second regulator operates as two modules. the first Flux shield would be affected as though there were already two of them, as it is the third module to affect the depleted delay (but not the regular delay). the third Flux would be treated as the fifth module for stacking penalties. Make sense? This is just a standard-issue EVE/DUST stacking penalty issue. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:59:00 - [12] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: but how would they work? the flux one does what exactly compared to a shield regulator? the heavy extender is interesting. how much of a nerf to shield recharge and delays would it give? does it effect shield delay, or depleted shield delay? both? CLICK THE SPREADSHEET LINK!!! im sorry! haha after looking at it.... you need to add how the shield regulators work with the flux extenders any mods that affect the same attribute are affected by stacking penalties in descending order. So the first regulator (which has the higher bonus) operates at full value. a second regulator operates as two modules. the first Flux shield would be affected as though there were already two of them, as it is the third module to affect the depleted delay (but not the regular delay). the third Flux would be treated as the fifth module for stacking penalties. Make sense? This is just a standard-issue EVE/DUST stacking penalty issue. i cant find stacking penalties for 8 mods...
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:00:00 - [13] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: i cant find stacking penalties for 8 mods... past 5, you're damn near going negative if not going negative WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:00:00 - [14] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: but how would they work? the flux one does what exactly compared to a shield regulator? the heavy extender is interesting. how much of a nerf to shield recharge and delays would it give? does it effect shield delay, or depleted shield delay? both? CLICK THE SPREADSHEET LINK!!! im sorry! haha after looking at it.... you need to add how the shield regulators work with the flux extenders any mods that affect the same attribute are affected by stacking penalties in descending order. So the first regulator (which has the higher bonus) operates at full value. a second regulator operates as two modules. the first Flux shield would be affected as though there were already two of them, as it is the third module to affect the depleted delay (but not the regular delay). the third Flux would be treated as the fifth module for stacking penalties. Make sense? This is just a standard-issue EVE/DUST stacking penalty issue. i cant find stacking penalties for 8 mods... S(n) = 0.5^[((n-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] n = the nth module added S = stacking effect for this particular module addition "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
benandjerrys Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 282	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:02:00 - [15] - Quote Solid. Flux is Almost like a ancillary booster in eve. Like the "lore" of the idea for the other... like ALOT. ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR Support Dust/EvE cross content We need live events discussion
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:02:00 - [16] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: i cant find stacking penalties for 8 mods... past 5, you're damn near going negative if not going negative can you even go negative? or does it cap at zero? im guessing... but i think you could get around a 2 second depleted delay
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:04:00 - [17] - Quote 3 regs, 2 flux is 48.68% 3 regs, 5 flux is 37.14% After 5 modules on the same attribute, you literally start accruing penalties for each additional mod. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:05:00 - [18] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: Solid. Flux is Almost like a ancillary booster in eve. Like the "lore" of the idea for the other... like ALOT. Flux was intended to be shield's answer to a reactive plate. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:10:00 - [19] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: 3 regs, 2 flux is 48.68% 3 regs, 5 flux is 37.14% After 5 modules on the same attribute, you literally start accruing penalties for each additional mod. are you sure? those mods have different bonus values. are those percentages, the stacking penalty? or something else? what would the actual depleted delay be? it has to be less the 2.51 seconds
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:13:00 - [20] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: 3 regs, 2 flux is 48.68% 3 regs, 5 flux is 37.14% After 5 modules on the same attribute, you literally start accruing penalties for each additional mod. are you sure? those mods have different bonus values. are those percentages, the stacking penalty? or something else? what would the actual depleted delay be? it has to be less the 2.51 seconds Not as much. You CAN go negative, CCP did this to keep things within a set threshold. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:27:00 - [21] - Quote This is how CCP set up stacking penalties. They are copied over to DUST. Module 6+ provide no benefit whatsoever. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:30:00 - [22] - Quote 3 energizers 2 flux extenders 3 shield regulators 381 shield HP 123.37 HP/s 1.6 delay depleted delay would be under 1.92 seconds squishy as hell, but that regen would be too funny
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:37:00 - [23] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: 3 energizers 2 flux extenders 3 shield regulators 381 shield HP 123.37 HP/s 1.6 delay depleted delay would be under 1.92 seconds squishy as hell, but that regen would be too funny that's not how it works your maximum bonus with three regs and two flux is 48.68% Depleted: 3.0792 Recharge Delay: 2.0528 that's what the maximum benefit you will get is, period. a third flux extender reduces the bonus to 41.98% a fourth to 38.47% the fifth drops your total bonus to 37.14% It is never beneficial to stack more than five bonuses to the same attribute. Ever. No Bueno. Stacking penalties do not work the way you want them to. CCP implemented this to prevent unkillable ships, where players were omni-stacking resists to 99% WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:51:00 - [24] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: 3 energizers 2 flux extenders 3 shield regulators 381 shield HP 123.37 HP/s 1.6 delay depleted delay would be under 1.92 seconds squishy as hell, but that regen would be too funny that's not how it works your maximum bonus with three regs and two flux is 48.68% Depleted: 3.0792 Recharge Delay: 2.0528 that's what the maximum benefit you will get is, period. a third flux extender reduces the bonus to 41.98% a fourth to 38.47% the fifth drops your total bonus to 37.14% It is never beneficial to stack more than five bonuses to the same attribute. Ever. No Bueno. Stacking penalties do not work the way you want them to. CCP implemented this to prevent unkillable ships, where players were omni-stacking resists to 99% stacking penalites go in descending order according to odule strength. 1st reg 35% 2nd reg 30.415% 3rd reg 19.985% 1st flux 4.245% 2nd flux 1.59% thats a 91.235% reduction to depleted shield delay. thats not even including the skills that increase shield reg effectiveness. depleted shield delay would be at .5259 seconds on a cal assault
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:54:00 - [25] - Quote that's not how it works. They are multiplicative, not additive. the equation is not 35% + 30.415% + 19.985% + 4.245% + 1.59% it is (4 or 6 depending which delay) 1.35 * 1.30415 * 1.19985 * 1.04245 * 1.0159 WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 23:08:00 - [26] - Quote In the stacking penalty calculator, since the bonus to regulation reduces the final number, you enter 8 modules in like so: -35, -35, -35, -15, -15, -15, -15, -15 don't add a comma to the end. Bonuses that ADD to a number do not use the - WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.11 07:49:00 - [27] - Quote Any further comments? If you like the idea, please go click the trello card link and vote. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.07.11 09:38:00 - [28] - Quote mew "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 651	Posted - 2015.07.11 10:25:00 - [29] - Quote Looks great and balanced. Where's the blue tag ? WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.11 10:42:00 - [30] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: Looks great and balanced. Where's the blue tag ? I never bank on blue tags WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.



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