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any mods that affect the same attribute are affected by stacking penalties in descending order.

So the first regulator (which has the higher bonus) operates at full value.

a second regulator operates as two modules.

the first Flux shield would be affected as though there were already two of them, as it is the third module to affect the depleted delay (but not the regular delay).

the third Flux would be treated as the fifth module for stacking penalties.

Make sense?

This is just a standard-issue EVE/DUST stacking penalty issue.

past 5, you're damn near going negative

if not going negative

3 regs, 2 flux is 48.68%

3 regs, 5 flux is 37.14%

After 5 modules on the same attribute, you literally start accruing penalties for each additional mod.

that's not how it works


your maximum bonus with three regs and two flux is 48.68%

Depleted: 3.0792

Recharge Delay: 2.0528

that's what the maximum benefit you will get is, period.

a third flux extender reduces the bonus to 41.98%

a fourth to 38.47%

the fifth drops your total bonus to 37.14%

It is never beneficial to stack more than five bonuses to the same attribute. Ever. No Bueno.

Stacking penalties do not work the way you want them to.

CCP implemented this to prevent unkillable ships, where players were omni-stacking resists to 99%

The reinforced shield extender offers almost armor levels of HP for 0 speed penalty. The trade off is a slightly reduced shield recharge rate. There has to be some other negative beside depleted delay.

Stacking penalties are everywhere in Dust 514. I hate to say it, but this might just be one of those things players have take a moment to learn. There are stacking penalty calculators out there (I believe Breakin linked one).

This is the kind of fitting the flux extender was designed for. It would allow a dropsuit to move in and out of fire fights, recharging to full shields with just a few seconds pause. Scouts and light frames could create similar fits.

Interesting concept! I'm not sure there are already attributes in place to do what you are describing though.

Deathwind I'm not responding to you anymore. Either you're trolling or you don't understand what the hell we are doing.

I will say it now. These extender variants are intended to be on par with reactives and Plates.

The only change we have proposed is lowering the fitting cost of standard extenders. that penalty already exists on them.

The Heavy extenders HAVE TO HAVE a tangible drawback so they will be on par with the heavy armor plates which INCREASE damage application to the person using them by lowering their mobility. The heavy extenders make it harder to regenerate rapidly in exchange for a heavier and more durable level of protection.

And finally, five flux extenders with no stacking penalties would simply be superior in all ways to Reactive plates.

In short: No.

This proposal is not about fixing core issues with shields. It is about introducing options which allow shield user better choices and more variety in fitting.

We are not looking to make shields clearly superior to armor, which your demands will lead to. So no, take your "This will only make shields worse" BS and shelf it with the people who claimed that ferroscale and reactive plates would only benefit shield users.

No, Chicken Little, the sky is not falling.

Lol, a Rattati Aslt can get 33 HP per second (non stop) and 600+ armor with ferro's, and a Prototype can get close with 29 HP and 590+, where as my Frame's can get 600 Shield straight, with 101 HP (1 energizer and 1 recharge) and if I use 3 regulators, then i'd obtain every 1.60 seconds, problem is, it's always being stopped by any bullet (threshold was wasted). Armor is vastly superior to shield's since you can get 3 damage mod's, tank the suit even at basic level's, armor repair modules can give 10+ HP slap 2 on and your getting a constant equivalent of what shield's get, if not double, which technically raises the armor's strength against shield's.

My shield suit, depending on what I choose for, 613 (shield) and 52 recharge (energizer), or 562 and 56 HP (2 enhanced rechargers), or 522 and 82 HP (2 energizers), it wouldn't matter my shield's aren't returning to me once every 1.60 second's, once it's hit once I'm as good as dead, where as armor players can constantly go lone wolf and kill 6 other player's before needing to hide around a corner to recoup. That in of itself place's armor's at a high advantage.

(I did not count toward's armor rep tool's because that requires team work and is excusable, but it'd be nice if it were a bit more meticulous, if that's the right word, as it could give us our shield in return in accordance to our shield recharge level, wouldn't make sense, but would be better balance and a quick temporary fix)

Aside from the previous, the ideal that shield suit's require to fight at long range is a load of bull in an FPS standpoint, given the fact that freedom of fitting's allow any armor player to fight at any range. Need to kill that guy at 70 meter's? Pull out a Rail Rifle, pesky sniper's putting your team down? Pull out a sniper rifle yourself, vehicle's giving you trouble? Pull out a Heavy with a FG. Freedom of fitting's is a positive but double edged sword, if one entire defense type get's blown out for it, yet the other remain's strong, it's a bad set up that only lead's to disaster.

Shield's specifically for caldari, need to be reworked, and the constant armor repairing's need to be put to an end.

(Before you say it, minmatar relies more on speed than anything, and are much more viable shield suit's than caldari would/could ever hope to be)

that's not how it works.

They are multiplicative, not additive.

you do not add the percentages together. You multiply them with the base number in sequence.

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