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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:38:00 - [1] - Quote Shield Module Expansion Pack DLC (999.99$) By Breakin Stuff, Cat Merc and Ripley Riley This is another short and sweet proposal addressing the lack of module variety offered by the shield tanking side of DUST 514. We believe the current imbalance stems partially from a direct weakness of shields, but also a lack of module variety, making shields a one trick pony. This proposal should mitigate this, in addition to the slight but welcome (we hope) reduction of shield fitting costs. After 5 hours of arguing, name calling, death threats, two pitched firefights, and several clones later with Ripley desperately trying to mediate using cheetos and catnip, we have hammered out what might be a viable pair of additions to the shield tanking module meta: Flux Shield Extender: Developed by Hyasyoda in response to the destructive capacity of the Gallente flux grenades and in competition with the Ishukone Reinforced Extenders, the Flux Hardener is a low-power deflection field which uses an unstable power supply to jump start regeneration of depleted shields as well as provide a direct, moderate boost to shield recharge. Reinforced Shield Extender: Being forced into close quarters with Gallente Black Eagles time and time again prompted Caldari mercenaries to jury-rig a heavy, hardened shield generator capable of outputting far more power than comparable devices by tearing apart and repurposing a shield emitter node taken from a wrecked Harpy assault frigate. Ishukone engineers patented the design then further refined it for use in combat areas where weaker shield extenders would be a liability. Unfortunately the sheer output of the devices destabilize shield regulation and native recharge, slowing both in exchange for superior damage mitigation. Spreadsheet or Rickroll may be found here Trello Card or NSFW Troll Link here WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:41:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 5 hours of arguing over 2% changes. Kill me now. Gladly. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:45:00 - [3] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: but how would they work? the flux one does what exactly compared to a shield regulator? the heavy extender is interesting. how much of a nerf to shield recharge and delays would it give? does it effect shield delay, or depleted shield delay? both? CLICK THE SPREADSHEET LINK!!! WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:48:00 - [4] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 5 hours of arguing over 2% changes. Kill me now. Gladly. RIPLEEEEEYYYY! BREAKIN IS PICKING ON ME AGAIN! MAKE HIM STOP! Goddamn it you pieces of genetic filth you will pipe down or so help me I will pull this thread over and break your bones in reverse alphabet order! I will sit on both of you, one buttcheek apiece. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 21:53:00 - [5] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: but how would they work? the flux one does what exactly compared to a shield regulator? the heavy extender is interesting. how much of a nerf to shield recharge and delays would it give? does it effect shield delay, or depleted shield delay? both? CLICK THE SPREADSHEET LINK!!! im sorry! haha after looking at it.... you need to add how the shield regulators work with the flux extenders any mods that affect the same attribute are affected by stacking penalties in descending order. So the first regulator (which has the higher bonus) operates at full value. a second regulator operates as two modules. the first Flux shield would be affected as though there were already two of them, as it is the third module to affect the depleted delay (but not the regular delay). the third Flux would be treated as the fifth module for stacking penalties. Make sense? This is just a standard-issue EVE/DUST stacking penalty issue. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:00:00 - [6] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: i cant find stacking penalties for 8 mods... past 5, you're damn near going negative if not going negative WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:04:00 - [7] - Quote 3 regs, 2 flux is 48.68% 3 regs, 5 flux is 37.14% After 5 modules on the same attribute, you literally start accruing penalties for each additional mod. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:13:00 - [8] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: 3 regs, 2 flux is 48.68% 3 regs, 5 flux is 37.14% After 5 modules on the same attribute, you literally start accruing penalties for each additional mod. are you sure? those mods have different bonus values. are those percentages, the stacking penalty? or something else? what would the actual depleted delay be? it has to be less the 2.51 seconds Not as much. You CAN go negative, CCP did this to keep things within a set threshold. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:27:00 - [9] - Quote This is how CCP set up stacking penalties. They are copied over to DUST. Module 6+ provide no benefit whatsoever. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:37:00 - [10] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: 3 energizers 2 flux extenders 3 shield regulators 381 shield HP 123.37 HP/s 1.6 delay depleted delay would be under 1.92 seconds squishy as hell, but that regen would be too funny that's not how it works your maximum bonus with three regs and two flux is 48.68% Depleted: 3.0792 Recharge Delay: 2.0528 that's what the maximum benefit you will get is, period. a third flux extender reduces the bonus to 41.98% a fourth to 38.47% the fifth drops your total bonus to 37.14% It is never beneficial to stack more than five bonuses to the same attribute. Ever. No Bueno. Stacking penalties do not work the way you want them to. CCP implemented this to prevent unkillable ships, where players were omni-stacking resists to 99% WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 22:54:00 - [11] - Quote that's not how it works. They are multiplicative, not additive. the equation is not 35% + 30.415% + 19.985% + 4.245% + 1.59% it is (4 or 6 depending which delay) 1.35 * 1.30415 * 1.19985 * 1.04245 * 1.0159 WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.10 23:08:00 - [12] - Quote In the stacking penalty calculator, since the bonus to regulation reduces the final number, you enter 8 modules in like so: -35, -35, -35, -15, -15, -15, -15, -15 don't add a comma to the end. Bonuses that ADD to a number do not use the - WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.11 07:49:00 - [13] - Quote Any further comments? If you like the idea, please go click the trello card link and vote. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.11 10:42:00 - [14] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: Looks great and balanced. Where's the blue tag ? I never bank on blue tags WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.12 12:00:00 - [15] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Give me ROF mods in the low slots for shield tankers, and we'll be fine. What do RoF mods have to do with this? WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.13 15:49:00 - [16] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: reinforced extenders: get rid of the shield recharge penalty, and increase the penalty to depleted shield delay. treat it like a heavy extender with a heavier penalty flux extenders: i believe that the bonus to depleted shield delays will cause confusion to players that dont understand how stacking penalties work (i sure didnt) First point: That would increase assaults using it shield delays upwards of 8-10 seconds. There's a reason for the setup we put in. Second point: Stacking penalties have been around forever. and if you pay attention to the fitting windows you'll see the values change. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.14 14:40:00 - [17] - Quote Deathwind I'm not responding to you anymore. Either you're trolling or you don't understand what the hell we are doing. I will say it now. These extender variants are intended to be on par with reactives and Plates. The only change we have proposed is lowering the fitting cost of standard extenders. that penalty already exists on them. The Heavy extenders HAVE TO HAVE a tangible drawback so they will be on par with the heavy armor plates which INCREASE damage application to the person using them by lowering their mobility. The heavy extenders make it harder to regenerate rapidly in exchange for a heavier and more durable level of protection. And finally, five flux extenders with no stacking penalties would simply be superior in all ways to Reactive plates. In short: No. This proposal is not about fixing core issues with shields. It is about introducing options which allow shield user better choices and more variety in fitting. We are not looking to make shields clearly superior to armor, which your demands will lead to. So no, take your "This will only make shields worse" BS and shelf it with the people who claimed that ferroscale and reactive plates would only benefit shield users. No, Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.16 09:43:00 - [18] - Quote Lenz Hong wrote: Have not looked at this in a while but.. the armor bonus for Reactive and Ferroscale Plates don't exist anymore? If still exist, why the values (60 and 75) don't have the bonus? And for general penalty, would make sense to have less depleted delay or recharge penalty (for the first) but start adding with the penalty rule for any other? (kinda as a reversed damage penalty) The missing bonus is a known and confirmed bug. Team rattati is working to untangle the spaghetti to find the problem. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.23 06:11:00 - [19] - Quote Soul Cairn wrote: I love you. Just as long as you're loving on cat or ripley I don't understand this "love" thing. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 10	Posted - 2015.07.23 06:25:00 - [20] - Quote BREAKIN ALL THE THINGS!!! WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

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