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Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.07 09:31:00 -
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I would normally just say that you need to suck it up sunshine but this week I actually gained more than 50,000sp..
I can honestly say somethings are stupidly ********.. Whenever my team red lines the other team and I see no hope for them... Ill leave the game because it honestly the worst thing just chilling around doing crap all. I even found out the quickest route around on some maps due to this in the past.. My last game today I was annoyed at everything.... The breach shotty wouldn't kill anything and i was being scanned by everything and I just wanted to give up.... I honestly can say any new players these days who aren't up for a challenge wont stay for over a week... One more thing, if you insta died first spawn there and no one is near by from your team or there's alot of reds around... probably best to spawn somewhere else. Also getting 1 shot with a sniper is normally a head shot, your squishy or your in a stater fit.... The head shot is just cause you standing still, luck or skill i guess
Preach it sister! *throws fist in the air* XD
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy No Context
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Posted - 2015.07.07 09:32:00 -
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Just gonna say Dust isn't really a solo player game unless you scout...you just gotta put your sp in the right places and join my corp....
Im just a glorified blueberry
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Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
328
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Posted - 2015.07.07 09:33:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote: The game still needs to be more open for single new players.
This can't be emphasized enough. +1 I ran a solo q for at least 6 of my 10hour+ play time today. I went positive almost every game and i rarely run proto gear. towards the end I died at least 100 times i think although trying to get those assists...
But yeah make ambush maybe a solo q exclusive match or something so its something everyone can enjoy more or less or make a Free for all game mode or something..
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Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.07 09:36:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Just gonna say Dust isn't really a solo player game unless you scout...you just gotta put your sp in the right places and join my corp.... Go join your own corp this isn't some stupid recruitment thing ffs..
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Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.07 09:38:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote: 456 Kills 578 deaths
You're doing well for a newcomer. Having low SP is frustrating as hell, but if you stick it out you'll find it's well worth the effort. I would say that you chose a poor suit in Caldari and that you'd be doing somewhat better if you'd gone with another, but such a statement would be shortsighted. Dust is constantly evolving, and suits on the bottom of the pile have a tendency to work their way to the top. Hang in there, merc. It gets better fast. o7 Also sp is gained WAYYYYYY quicker than in the past... with a 700+sp cap and higher sp payouts and the daily missions (I made a ton of sp from missions alone roughly 50k+ today alone) you can get a proto suit in 2/3weeks rather than the month or so it took back in the day.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:24:00 -
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Got to say, low sp amour suits also get rekt, as I found out on my alt over the weekend.
I'm hoping the upcoming slot tiercide will help a little with new players. |
Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:18:00 -
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You all do know that this isn't a post requesting tips or crap like that she was just stating things needed to be done...
Just saying
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:22:00 -
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Expecting something useful from a new player; left disappointed as it was a bitter vet posting.
CPM 1, Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
\\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
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Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Expecting something useful from a new player; left disappointed as it was a bitter vet posting. TRUTH REVEALED!!! :O
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Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:25:00 -
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xavier zor II wrote:hey i can pull numbers from my ass as well!
# of times i want to punch OP in face; 143 # of times i want to make OP realise he needs to 'git gud'; 3 # of times i want OP to realise that Dust isn't a carebear game; 9001 CAREBEARS ARE IN DUST!!!!!!!!!!!! havent you seen the corp? alsooooooooo
# of times i punched someone today and got hit markers but dealt 0 damage as the old nova knives did definitely over 30.... # of times i died from jumping too high with low hp too many to count # of times i survived with 1 armor from a jump - 1 it was amazing # of times i sent LOL mail mid game after i did something funny death or kill - about 20 today for some good laughs # of times i make stupid **** comments per day i dont even know just too many..
thats a stagering 0230-1284-ruj19kr% of crap i just spat....
the first one is a legit thing and needs to be fixed please :D <3 xxo this one btw # of times i punched someone today and got hit markers but dealt 0 damage as the old nova knives did definitely over 30.... # of times i punched someone today and got hit markers but dealt 0 damage as the old nova knives did definitely over 30.... # of times i punched someone today and got hit markers but dealt 0 damage as the old nova knives did definitely over 30.... # of times i punched someone today and got hit markers but dealt 0 damage as the old nova knives did definitely over 30.... # of times i punched someone today and got hit markers but dealt 0 damage as the old nova knives did definitely over 30....
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:10:00 -
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Good luck going solo. I would highly recommend finding chats to join and people to squad with however, this is a team game.
Learning Coalition
A chat for players to meet vets and sq up, learn mire about tge game. 07, maybe we can squad when I return
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
Internet down atm :(
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:31:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Good luck going solo. I would highly recommend finding chats to join and people to squad with however, this is a team game.
Learning Coalition
A chat for players to meet vets and sq up, learn mire about tge game. 07, maybe we can squad when I return
You could sit in the learning coalition for a week straight and not see a single squad advertised or a person LFS. It's sad. |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:37:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:Good luck going solo. I would highly recommend finding chats to join and people to squad with however, this is a team game.
Learning Coalition
A chat for players to meet vets and sq up, learn mire about tge game. 07, maybe we can squad when I return You could sit in the learning coalition for a week straight and not see a single squad advertised or a person LFS. It's sad.
That's not my experience when I jump on an alt. There are squads going on in there. |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:42:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:Good luck going solo. I would highly recommend finding chats to join and people to squad with however, this is a team game.
Learning Coalition
A chat for players to meet vets and sq up, learn mire about tge game. 07, maybe we can squad when I return You could sit in the learning coalition for a week straight and not see a single squad advertised or a person LFS. It's sad. That's not my experience when I jump on an alt. There are squads going on in there.
I hope that's the case, but as with D-Uni I haven't seen them in game in months. Perhaps that has to do with matchmaking. But before I joined NF I hung out in those chats to see if I wanted to give back and help newbros. I tried starting squads and I tried LFSing and I never once got either. I inquired with those in the chat and they confirmed that nobody ever squads up in those channels. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:45:00 -
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BARAGAMOS, I would like to have you in my Corp, Immortal Guides. It is a new player training Corp, which has been around for almost two years now. We try to help new players learn the game and become more successful more quickly.
I am interested in you joining because I think we could provide you a better expiriance than the NPC Corp you are currently in, and because you strike me as the type of person who will want to help other new players and pass on what you have learned.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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SLENDER M4N
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:57:00 -
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Bargamos if you need any help fell free to contact Jadek Menahiem. He does wonders
Our Lord and savior, Munson punched me and RE'd me! I feel loved <3
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:00:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:BARAGAMOS, I would like to have you in my Corp, Immortal Guides. It is a new player training Corp, which has been around for almost two years now. We try to help new players learn the game and become more successful more quickly. I am interested in you joining because I think we could provide you a better expiriance than the NPC Corp you are currently in, and because you strike me as the type of person who will want to help other new players and pass on what you have learned.
Not to take away from your post, but I'd be more than happy to recommend players to you if you guys are active.
Do you guys qsync FW or anything like that? If so, I'd love to merge some vets with your newbros and try to help them get some LP. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:05:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:Good luck going solo. I would highly recommend finding chats to join and people to squad with however, this is a team game.
Learning Coalition
A chat for players to meet vets and sq up, learn mire about tge game. 07, maybe we can squad when I return You could sit in the learning coalition for a week straight and not see a single squad advertised or a person LFS. It's sad. That's not my experience when I jump on an alt. There are squads going on in there. I hope that's the case, but as with D-Uni I haven't seen them in game in months. Perhaps that has to do with matchmaking. But before I joined NF I hung out in those chats to see if I wanted to give back and help newbros. I tried starting squads and I tried LFSing and I never once got either. I inquired with those in the chat and they confirmed that nobody ever squads up in those channels. Learning Coalition chat has not been used for forming squads as much since I created the Learning Alliance, but I still find squads there or pick up squad members there on occasion.
Learning Coalition chat tends to be used more for asking questions about the game, or discussing game mechanics.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:15:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:BARAGAMOS, I would like to have you in my Corp, Immortal Guides. It is a new player training Corp, which has been around for almost two years now. We try to help new players learn the game and become more successful more quickly. I am interested in you joining because I think we could provide you a better expiriance than the NPC Corp you are currently in, and because you strike me as the type of person who will want to help other new players and pass on what you have learned. Not to take away from your post, but I'd be more than happy to recommend players to you if you guys are active. Do you guys qsync FW or anything like that? If so, I'd love to merge some vets with your newbros and try to help them get some LP. Immortal Guides membership was down for a while. First, a large number of Immortal Guides members split off to form Destinies Immortals. Second, around the same time I stared renovating my computer room and for about two months my Computer was not as accessible, which resulted in me doing almost no recruiting for two months. (I use my EVE account for most of my recruiting efforts.) Since the whole idea of a training Corp is for most of the members to move on to other Corps once they are ready, we depend on having a constant influx of new players to keep the Corp humming along. As a result we were starting to fizzle, but we are getting back on track now.
My renovation is complete, my computer is accessible again, and our recruitment efforts are back on track. I picked up 5 new members last night alone.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:18:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Learning Coalition chat has not been used for forming squads as much since I created the Learning Alliance, but I still find squads there or pick up squad members there on occasion. Learning Coalition chat tends to be used more for asking questions about the game, or discussing game mechanics.
Good to know, I did not realise this...not that I should as a vet, I assume you update your guys in recruitment channels or in-game chat then, seeing as I only see that one chat every now and then. |
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:21:00 -
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I'll push every newbro I see to you.
Should I send newbros to the Learning Coalition channel so they can meet up with recruiters?
I'll also be willing to donate a TON of the prepacked fits to your cause when we are able. I'll donate some ISK for skill books and stuff like that if you ever need it, just ask. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:26:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Learning Coalition chat has not been used for forming squads as much since I created the Learning Alliance, but I still find squads there or pick up squad members there on occasion. Learning Coalition chat tends to be used more for asking questions about the game, or discussing game mechanics. Good to know, I did not realise this...not that I should as a vet, I assume you update your guys on which channels to use in recruitment threads or in-game chat then, seeing as I only see that one chat every now and then. Immortal Guides does not have a recruitment channel. As a new player training Corp the only applications we reject are from people with names which constitute hate speech, so there is no need to interview people before accepting their app. If they want to get to know us before joining, they can do so in Learning Coalition chat, as I try to get all my members to join Learning Coalition chat.
I also try to encurage my members to ask questions in Learning Coalition chat so that new players who are not in the Corp can also see their question and the resulting answers, in order to learn from them. But if they ask in Corp chat, I will answer there instead.
I also invite new players to Learning Coalition chat who have not yet joined my Corp, or who have already joined another player Corporation, as it is still the best place for them to ask questions and get advice about the game.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:35:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Learning Coalition chat has not been used for forming squads as much since I created the Learning Alliance, but I still find squads there or pick up squad members there on occasion. Learning Coalition chat tends to be used more for asking questions about the game, or discussing game mechanics. Good to know, I did not realise this...not that I should as a vet, I assume you update your guys on which channels to use in recruitment threads or in-game chat then, seeing as I only see that one chat every now and then. Immortal Guides does not have a recruitment channel. As a new player training Corp the only applications we reject are from people with names which constitute hate speech, so there is no need to interview people before accepting their app. If they want to get to know us before joining, they can do so in Learning Coalition chat, as I try to get all my members to join Learning Coalition chat. I also try to encurage my members to ask questions in Learning Coalition chat so that new players who are not in the Corp can also see their question and the resulting answers, in order to learn from them. But if they ask in Corp chat, I will answer there instead. I also invite new players to Learning Coalition chat who have not yet joined my Corp, or who have already joined another player Corporation, as it is still the best place for them to ask questions and get advice about the game. Oh, and I also encourage Vets to join Learning Coalition if they are interesting in helping new players. I'll add the channel the next time I'm on. |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.09 03:26:00 -
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Hey guys, Thanks for the offers to help. They make the community look a lot better than the usual HTFU attitude that is killing the game. Ill be getting up with you guys later in the week.
I am mostly posting these as a discussion item, but some of the players don't like what the numbers are saying about their adopted playstyle so I get a lot of flack. This week I actually got a lot more positive than negative feedback. That is a start. The reality is if new guys don't stay this game is not going to make it much longer and the current environmental is much harder to start in than even a year ago. This is a combination of many factors including developer apathy/incompetence, power creep of player base, and the really bad attitude of some players. If Dust wants to survive it has to adapt as well, and right now its not adapting to new player needs. Also, from a business aspect CCP should probably realize that new guys are the ones still needing to spend money. Most longer players are sitting on major bank from past ISK issues in the game, so they don't need AUR items and they aren't buy any boosters as they don't need them. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.09 13:46:00 -
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Often the first couple of responses set the tone for a thread. If there is more than one way to interpret a post, and people are not sure how to take it, they will often jump on the wagon with everyone else and go with the interpretation of the first responders.
I like your analytical leanings. Few people go to the trouble of compiling real numbers, and so much discussion on here is qualitative rather then quantitative as a result.
Since you are new I should clarify a few historical points and provide some context regarding CCP's management of DUST 514. Most of the problems with this game can be traced back to the original development team. DUST was released with a build that was worse than the Open Beta build, and seemed to get worse with every build there after with Uprising 1.7 being so horrible it even made a die-hard DUST fan like me think about quitting. Around the time 1.7 was being developed the person in charge of DUST 514 development was fired. His replacement looked at what was left of DUST and decided it was a write-off. They developed what was supposed to be DUST's last content patch, Uprising 1.8, with a reduced team which meant that we were stuck with the horrable 1.7 for many months. Meanwhile most of the DUST development team worked on producing a pre-Alpha build of DUST on a PC platform. They called this Project Legion, which they announced to the Consul players of DUST at Fan Fest 2014 without any warn or explanation, just saying "We don't expect any more content patches for DUST", "Project Legion will be on the PC", and "Project Legion has not be green lighted so it may never happen".
Then, in what was either a stroke of genius or more likely a complete accident of fate, they took this guy, CCP Rattati, out of the Finance department in put him in charge of this dying game. They gave him two Devs (Frame & Logibro) and a Game Master (Archduke) and put him in charge of creating Balance hot fixes to keep the game running a while longer. But Rattati had two things going for him. First he was the most hard core DUST player working for CCP at the time. (He had over 1000 likes on the forum from just talking about the game as just another player rather than as a Dev.) This gave him a players perspective on the game, and a willingness to take input from other players. The second was that he was a Statistician and a spreadsheet genius. Instead of tinkering with weapons and suits individually without any overarching plan, as the previous group of developers had done, Rattati setup overarching plans for how whole classes of suits and weapons should interact, and then he got feedback from the community and actually used that feedback to improve his plans. He has also taken good ideas from the community and implemented them. By Hot fix 1.8.c even the bitter vets looking back at the old days with nostalgia had to admit the game had gotten even better than it was back in the Open Bata.
With the game showing such improvement, people started buying AUR again, and DUST became profitable for the first time in its history. Suddenly all talk of Project Legion stopped, and soon Rattati got the go-ahead to start working on actual content patches again. Now he is still restricted by having to renovate an existing and often flawed framework; limited resources on the PS3; and a still limited development team, but within those constraints he is still making major improvements.
Now, Rattati makes mistakes just like anyone, but the difference with him is that when he makes a mistake he admits it, and takes action to correct it quickly. Most Vets don't get too worked up these days when a Patch completely screws something up, because we know Rattati will have it dealt with within a week or so.
Of course there are problems with the game that have been there for years, such as lag and bad frame rates etc. Rattati has been tackling those as well and has steadily been introducing changes to the game to address these issues. Each of these changes have made slight improvements which have added up over time, but there are still issues. We all know that. DUST pushes the PS3 to the limit, and trying to squeeze out better performance is like trying to squeeze water from a stone.
The same goes for the New Player Experience. Rattati knows it is horrible, and he has been working steadilly with his limited resources to improve it. The first match I played in DUST I got spawn killed 7 times before I managed to make it to cover. Here are a few improvements to the New Player Experience since I started:
- You are now Cloaked when you spawn so that you fully load in before you become visible. (You can still die, but it helps a lot.) - The Academy. (I learned DUST by spawning into a Proto Stomp.) - Improved starter fits. - Some essential skills pre-learned at start, to try to give people an idea of what to skill into. - Tutorial missions. - Daily missions to suggest what players should be attempting to do in a match. - Tieriside to reduce the disparity between Standard and Proto. - The Loadout Progression system to help new players figure out how to spend their skill points wisely. - Reducing 6 man squads to 4 man fire teams in Pubs.
* Work and research is ongoing on Meta Level lockouts.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Fristname Family name
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.07.09 15:10:00 -
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May i suggest new players start with more than 25k isk.. cant farm them for cash no more...
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