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Operative 1174 Uuali True Companion Planetary Requisitions 865	Posted - 2015.07.03 07:01:00 - [31] - Quote veccer wrote: U.S Army or a Dust 514 'army' (Im not talking about eve ships bc they could wipe the earth ) but Is the dust Army more advanced than U.S army? (I choose the U.S army because is the strongest in the world but i will aprecciate every response) U.S. Marines can kick the U.S. Army's ass with MacGyvered silly string and PEZ dispensers. What do you think replaceable clones in runny, jumpy, myoed, dodge your bullets armored/shielded suits are going to do? MY CPM2 PLATFORM
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.07.03 07:05:00 - [32] - Quote US army. Dust armies can only field 16 mercs at a time. Official CPM Platform
Koldy Lyte Marven Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 88	Posted - 2015.07.03 07:12:00 - [33] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: True Adamance wrote: Our muscles have significantly greater mass and density than normal men's, . Scouts... "Could easily tear a man in half Mortal Kombat style" - True Adamance. You got beef with us scouts, Koldy? Are we weaker than mortal men in your opinion? Dude, I also run scouts: they're fast and sneaky, perfect assassins and hackers. But they don't have as much armor and shield than medium and heavy frames, unless you really tank. And admit it, physicality, scouts don't seem to have them huge massive muscles. Btw, the Ammar scout looks like a bird to me.
Koldy Lyte Marven Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 88	Posted - 2015.07.03 07:16:00 - [34] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: US army. Dust armies can only field 16 mercs at a time. 16 dudes that can respawn as long as they have clones.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.07.03 08:00:00 - [35] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: veccer wrote: Wow True adamance you know everything xD you should, MUST be the best ammar representative of all Actually, i would argue Aero Yassavi knows more. But True and Aero are the biggest lore nerds in New Eden. Oh bro you have said something you can't take back. Bet you ten dollars Aero couldn't as of this moment recount the entire history of the Amarr from the Dark Ages to the Post Space Flight. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.07.03 08:02:00 - [36] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: veccer wrote: U.S Army or a Dust 514 'army' (Im not talking about eve ships bc they could wipe the earth ) but Is the dust Army more advanced than U.S army? (I choose the U.S army because is the strongest in the world but i will aprecciate every response) U.S. Marines can kick the U.S. Army's ass with MacGyvered silly string and PEZ dispensers. What do you think replaceable clones in runny, jumpy, myoed, dodge your bullets armored/shielded suits are going to do? Punch a hole in a marine two fists wide sending pulping the internal organs beneath and spraying that mess all over the next Marine. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.07.03 09:56:00 - [37] - Quote Defensively and offensively from lore descriptions and in-game references a scout with no mods is the rough defensives and firepower equivalent of a next-gen modern tank. Scale upward from there. The shotgun when fired would incinerate every nearby exposed person from the heat of generated and released ambiplasma. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 8	Posted - 2015.07.03 10:06:00 - [38] - Quote The Gallente AR would literally be overkill since just one shot would vaporize half the mass of an average person if they aren't wearing advanced armor. The Minmatar SMG would also be disgusting because it is firing an advanced version of depleted uranium. As has been stated, not only does mercenary armor increase defense and offensive capabilities, but clone bodies are themselves reinforced to be combat oriented. The casualties on the US Armies side would be disturbingly high, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the mercs had none. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 8	Posted - 2015.07.03 10:11:00 - [39] - Quote US Army Dust army would just be lagging all over the place. Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you. I'm kind of a big deal. Get Dust ISK Here
Radiant Pancake3 Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 235	Posted - 2015.07.03 10:25:00 - [40] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Lol our mercs have planets whose sole purpose is to manufacture equipment for them and our mercs are inmortal A dust army can literally drown the us army on the blood of the clones. Dust army is incredibly mor advanced than the US army The mers have handheld railguns, Shields, Selfrepping armour. The best thing the US army has is a 1-use only destroyer-mounted railgun They could nuke us all... I am the Clown of Ass or am I the Ass of Clown... o.O Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ

VikingKong iBUN 0uter.Heaven 449	Posted - 2015.07.03 10:53:00 - [41] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: veccer wrote: U.S Army or a Dust 514 'army' (Im not talking about eve ships bc they could wipe the earth ) but Is the dust Army more advanced than U.S army? (I choose the U.S army because is the strongest in the world but i will aprecciate every response) Dust 514 army advanced ? ***._._._please. Army soldier tosses a Superglue grenade and clone is not going anywhere. Army soldier tosses a black ink grenade and clone is not seeing anything . Army soldier tosses a 100000 volt tessla coil and clone is not moving, not seeing anything and not going anywhere. Army soldier tosses an enhanced netanhanyu computer virus on clones squad communication network and clones are not doing anything . Kids who never expirienced a real war._._._lol. The clone isnt going anywhere? It doesnt matter. He can just get a new clone. The clone is not seeing anything? Modern cars have windscreen wipers, I like to think my dropsuit has some kind of futuristic equivalent. The 100000 volt tesla coil might manage to destroy the clone's shields, but they'd just recharge 3 seconds later (After the clone proceeded to tear apart US Army soldier with just his pinkies.) Kids who don't understand the simplest of concepts behind this game's universe._._._ lol. I would like a Gallente SMG.** TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 560	Posted - 2015.07.03 14:28:00 - [42] - Quote Vs. this playerbase it wouldn't even be close. I could only imagine my soldiers bitching about climbing those mountains to find all those crappy snipers.
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.07.04 00:36:00 - [43] - Quote True Adamance wrote: VAHZZ wrote: veccer wrote: Wow True adamance you know everything xD you should, MUST be the best ammar representative of all Actually, i would argue Aero Yassavi knows more. But True and Aero are the biggest lore nerds in New Eden. Oh bro you have said something you can't take back. Bet you ten dollars Aero couldn't as of this moment recount the entire history of the Amarr from the Dark Ages to the Post Space Flight. I shall not argue with you, I have learned from those past mistakes.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 2	Posted - 2015.07.04 00:40:00 - [44] - Quote Superman. Always Superman. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.07.04 00:45:00 - [45] - Quote Radiant Pancake3 wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Lol our mercs have planets whose sole purpose is to manufacture equipment for them and our mercs are inmortal A dust army can literally drown the us army on the blood of the clones. Dust army is incredibly mor advanced than the US army The mers have handheld railguns, Shields, Selfrepping armour. The best thing the US army has is a 1-use only destroyer-mounted railgun They could nuke us all... I love this misconception that people assume the Empires of New Eden haven't already created nuclear warheads or something more powerful. One Barrage from a Large Turret equipped to a Battleship destroyed and entire city. Now knowing that cities in New Eden are larger and made of significantly more advanced/strong materials I'd say that any Empire could put two battleships in orbit around the planet and decimate us all over the course of a day. Even if they had to put soldiers planetside the amount of people Empires like the Gallente or the Amarr could deploy would be in the tens of millions, with more tanks, more powerful rifles, more destructive weapons of mass destruction, hell the New Eden Empires could recruit faster and in greater numbers as well. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.07.04 00:46:00 - [46] - Quote veccer wrote: very interisting your comments, I didnt know about the height of Dust soldiers or their organs or the radiation of their guns I had no idea that I had so much in common with them. .emag nug ym tpecxe gnihtyreve sexif gnikamhctam RDK
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19	Posted - 2015.07.04 01:01:00 - [47] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: veccer wrote: U.S Army or a Dust 514 'army' (Im not talking about eve ships bc they could wipe the earth ) but Is the dust Army more advanced than U.S army? (I choose the U.S army because is the strongest in the world but i will aprecciate every response) Dust 514 army advanced ? *****._._._please. Army soldier tosses a Superglue grenade and clone is not going anywhere. Army soldier tosses a black ink grenade and clone is not seeing anything . Army soldier tosses a 100000 volt tessla coil and clone is not moving, not seeing anything and not going anywhere. Army soldier tosses an enhanced netanhanyu computer virus on clones squad communication network and clones are not doing anything . Kids who never expirienced a real war._._._lol. 1. The nanites in the armor plating renders this useless by simply making the glue fail at the molecular level it operates at. 2. once again nanites likely not gong to permit painting of the suit as normal and also likely prevent blindness the most effective way to blind a soldier is likely making them bleed internally in their helmet. 3. http://www.web2carz.com/images/articles/201207/tesla_1342361389_600x275.jpg this is what 12,000,000 volts does to people; I am pretty damn sure our own shields could compensate fast enough to ground it. 4. Doesn't work not without a quantum helium-4 liquid router we don't use simple binary computers in eve anymore something that we're still doubting we even tried to invent let alone prove or code for. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.07.04 01:11:00 - [48] - Quote Now for the real question. US Army, or Stick?
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 776	Posted - 2015.07.04 01:17:00 - [49] - Quote Are you kidding me? Dust armies OBVIOSLY. Furst off, we have quick regen and very good armor compared to Kevlar vests that only protect some parts. Thierry faces are fully exposed. Line the whole army and fire a Roden sniper ****. It will go through most of them. And for fun, just call an orbital in them. CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Scout and Assault GK.0
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.07.04 01:18:00 - [50] - Quote From space perspective : send a Titan to destroy Earth. Ground perspective : what others said. We're immortal. Nothing more to add. I doubt man made bullets would even scratch our suits. Sentinel can survive a damn 80GJ railgun shot. Loyal to The State Member of State Protectorate // Belongs to Patriots power bloc Civire Bloodline

Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 776	Posted - 2015.07.04 01:23:00 - [51] - Quote F ING HELL TAKE IFF TGE DROPSYIT AND STACK MYOFIBS. YIU CAN KILL THEM IN A PUNCH CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Scout and Assault GK.0
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 776	Posted - 2015.07.04 01:25:00 - [52] - Quote It took a couple of minutes to take over ALL OF MOLDEN HEATH. it would any take a few second to puns everyone up and shot them with double hardened/repped maddies. CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Scout and Assault GK.0
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 776	Posted - 2015.07.04 01:32:00 - [53] - Quote FOR HEAVENS SAKE. ONE SINGLE MERC CAN GET RID OF ALL LIFE ON EARTH. MERCS ARENT AFRAID IF ANYTHING. THEY CAN DIE AND JUST SPAWN BACK. CEO of 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Scout and Assault GK.0
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.07.04 01:41:00 - [54] - Quote Lightning, ever heard of editing your post?
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 8	Posted - 2015.07.04 02:15:00 - [55] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: True Adamance wrote: veccer wrote: very interisting your comments, I didnt know about the height of Dust soldiers or their organs or the radiation of their guns It might also interest you to know that the clones you fight in. The bodies you use in game are called stock clones. It' basically means they are the cheapest to produce. They lack pigmentation of the skin, have generic features, no hair at all, and red eyes. I also think they've been confirmed to have much greater physical strength to the point where even a clone in a scout suit could tear a man in half Mortal Kombat style. More than any of that, the biggest advantage of immortal soldiers is thus: We can learn from any mistake. There are only so many mistakes that a mortal can learn from and correct, as far more of those will kill him. We can learn from every single time we die and grow smarter and stronger from it. That's pretty ***** daunting. Who is this "we"? There are blueberries that fall for the same trick over and over again. Scouts United** Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.07.04 02:22:00 - [56] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: True Adamance wrote: veccer wrote: very interisting your comments, I didnt know about the height of Dust soldiers or their organs or the radiation of their guns It might also interest you to know that the clones you fight in. The bodies you use in game are called stock clones. It' basically means they are the cheapest to produce. They lack pigmentation of the skin, have generic features, no hair at all, and red eyes. I also think they've been confirmed to have much greater physical strength to the point where even a clone in a scout suit could tear a man in half Mortal Kombat style. More than any of that, the biggest advantage of immortal soldiers is thus: We can learn from any mistake. There are only so many mistakes that a mortal can learn from and correct, as far more of those will kill him. We can learn from every single time we die and grow smarter and stronger from it. That's pretty ******* daunting. Who is this "we"? There are blueberries that fall for the same trick over and over again. And yet they'd never die. It wouldn't even matter. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 106	Posted - 2015.07.04 02:34:00 - [57] - Quote US MILITARY because 1.4 million vs 16 Mordu's walking quafe mascot.
SHADOWBlood ASSASSIN The Hundred Acre Hood Rise Of Legion. 285	Posted - 2015.07.04 04:04:00 - [58] - Quote Let's be serious for a moment... I know that doesn't come easy to this community, so I'll give you a moment... This response does not account for respawning The premise of this comes down to numbers over tech. DUST mercenaries have tech beyond the wildest dreams of the US Army, but there are only 2,500 or so DUST mercs ready to fight, assuming that every Faction came to terms to fight this common enemy (which would never happen, Lucent mercs would immediately turn on STF mercs and PIE mercs would scrambler all of these jumpy Min assaults). But, putting aside all of the lore and differences, lets say that Molden Heath's entire existence is on the line and we all came together to attack (or defend against) the US Army. Let's get into the nitty gritty, shall we? DUST has tech that could crush the US Army, and every gun (even the low damage per shot sidearms) would do enough damage in just a few shots to kill any US Soldier. By our current standards, any DUST merc, from Scout to Sentinel, is a Supersoldier, dealing massive amounts of damage and taking a lot of hits before going down. So I could run out in a 'Dren' Sentinel and crush everything near me as long as I was repping at a good rate and was being careful with ammo. The US Army would have to push 4-8 men at me in order to take me down, even though I was running solo. And even then, I would still be taking many of them down with me. But, there are 3 weapons that even the playing field; snipers, shotguns and grenades. Assuming the US Army troops weren't picked up on our passive scans, the US Army troops could decimate our ranks with grenades. The Core Locus works the same way as a classic American Pineapple grenade, and the Pineapple 'nade would decimate us just as much as a Core would. The Snipers used in DUST have worse range (looks puzzled) than the snipers we have today, and as long as the US had marksmen, they could kill us across the map with ease. The shotgun is fairly self explanatory, because if the US Army can stay off of our passive scans, they can shotgun us with ease. However, DUST has two CLEAR advantage that would absolutely turn the tables in its favor; It's vehicles, and the Logistics class and it's equipment. Let's start with the vehicles. The tanks in DUST are faster, stronger and pack more firepower than our current US Army tanks, plus, our tanks can fit modules (hardeners/heat sinks) that allow for people like Duna to have only 1 death per month (he's 251/1). With the right people at the helm, our 3 person gv.0's/cv.0's could take out upwards of 5 tanks with ease, and be very good at Anti-Infantry with the gunners. And our dropships allow for deployment to any location in the battlefield and the ability to attack other air units with the ADS and help from Swarm/FG users. Now lets move on to the Logistics class (and equipment, which I'm lumping in here as well). The Logi can allow troops to start anywhere on the battlefield through use of the uplink, can allow troops to have tons of ammo with the nanohive, can allow troops to be revived by use of the Needle, and can allow troops to never go down by use of the rep tool/repping hives. The US soldiers don't have instantaneous reps like us DUST mercs. If a US soldiers takes a bullet, he may take months to recover, and still suffer psychological trauma after the fact. However, if an Amarr Sentinel is just a bullet sponge, as long as he has a Logi on him, he can be at full strength in less than 10 seconds. DUST soldiers have the ability to make themselves almost invincible with the right equipment. 2 Allotek Hives + 2 Wiyrkomi Triage Hives + Boundless Repair Tool + Min Logi V = DEATH. The US army could pump out a thousand rounds and our beloved Sentinels would never die. And with scanners preventing any troops from hiding, I just don't think the US Army would stand a chance... Available Troops - US Army Vehicular Domination - DUST Mercs Map Layout - DUST Mercs (assuming the US attacked Molden Heath) Weapons - With the exception of a few evenly matched weapons, DUST Mercs Equipment - DUST Mercs Health per soldier - DUST Mercs Mental faculties post war - DUST Mercs Just my opinion "You only need a hundred acres to have one helluva hood" `-Shadow`
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19	Posted - 2015.07.04 04:17:00 - [59] - Quote The largest factor Dust soldiers have over US army soldiers; deploy-ability. Dust soldiers can be deployed 24/7/365 across any distance provided there is a CRU in range of a transmitter. US Army takes months of spinning up training logistics and ultimately in a long war retaining replacements. While there may be a significantly more US Army soldiers available Dust 514 soldiers could feasibly hit every base 5 minutes at a time deal critical damage to the base's primary function and operation and cripple any means of retaliation on the first day and pernamently cripple any attempt to counter attack. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
Scheneighnay McBob Penumbra or something 7	Posted - 2015.07.04 04:31:00 - [60] - Quote I think you're underestimating dropsuits, and dropsuit weapons. Not to mention vehicles. To us, the equipment seems the same, but that's just because it's (more or less) to scale- with the exception of shield and armor tech in Dust offering far more protection than actual body armor. More or less, a combat rifle >>>>>> an M-4, although they appear to be almost the same weapon. The anti-tunnel snake taskforce has assembled



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