Greater than 8 man squads also generates mismatches who are unable to join battle until they get lucky and hit a squad that matches up with them to make 16.

What do you think wait times will be for 2 12 man squads that hit search? They will now be waiting on a total of 8 people with none of them being in a squad larger than 4.

Anyone want to guess how bad the endless list of combinations like that will affect wait time?

An 8 man squad is now waiting on any combination of 8 people while a 12 man squad is waiting on any combination of 4 people while a 6 man squad is waiting on any combination of 10 people. None of them are in battle even tho 26 people are now searching and only 16 are required to create a match. Instead they are forced to wait on specific combinations of people that can total 22 more people based on their respective requirements.

How is it that no one is seeing how horribly broken this would be? It is absolute basic mathematics. If squad size reaches more than 50% of the match generation goes all to hell.


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Lets not forget that this would now be taking place on both sides and even when one side gets 16 the other side can have a 16 man sync swoop in and instantly match up leaving the process to start all over on the other side.

You thought people were mad about search times before. It would actually be a possibility that a squad that happens to have an unlucky number could search for the entire day and never get a match.

FW won't deploy until 32 people are searching.

What he's saying is that if you have 12 people searching for a battle for minmatar, and another squad of 5+ people wants to queue up for minmatar, they have to be put into an entirely different queue.

If you have multiple squads of 9+ people all queuing for the same faction, they will all have to wait for another 7 people for each queue.

If you stick to 8, there is a much higher probability that smaller squads can be matched together.

FW won't deploy until 32 people are searching. So this won't really affect that, but pubs can't have that team deploy. It will break ****.

What he's saying is that if you have 12 people searching for a battle for minmatar, and another squad of 5+ people wants to queue up for minmatar, they have to be put into an entirely different queue.

If you have multiple squads of 9+ people all queuing for the same faction, they will all have to wait for another 7 people for each queue.

If you stick to 8, there is a much higher probability that smaller squads can be matched together.

Team deploy needs to happen, stop with the but but what about the small squads. If you are queuing as a small squad you take what you can get. If you get in cool if bot go back to pubs.

This is the basic math that the lovely members of NF want you to ignore so that they can use this broken scenario to their advantage.

Oh look, its another whining by this guy again.

...what...? Strawman much?

I love how you jump from a couple of NF members who support the idea to "NF wants it so they can abuse it." How would we use this "broken scenario" to any advantage? I am asking you kindly to remove your tinfoil cap and re think your statement.

Now, as far as the discussion on team deploy is concerned; the exact scenario you're arguing against is happening right now, and people are still getting into FW. Albeit, it is not a hard brick of players, but it is still 16 people queuing simultaneously to get into a match, yet, matchmaking still happens frequently and without an issue. You are wanting to limit player's capabilities to field full teams, while imposing artificial restraints on those who want to do full deploy, for no real reason, and then you hide behind strawmen like this to somehow gain sympathy?

We are not the devil you make us out to be.

o/ demens

Ignoring all the "NF is bad" nonsense, doesn't OP have a point?

Queue syncs presently fail from time to time; in those instances, the "non-parties" waiting in line are able to get into a match. What happens to these various sized "non-parties" if/when platoons are supported? Wouldn't they have to wait in line until non parties of complementary size queue alongside them? Seems like the probability of perfectly sized parts queuing simultaneously would be low. In which case, OP has a point, right?

o/ Adipem, how is things?

I absolutely believe he has a point, but I think striking down a popular community request, like this, quickly and without delving deeper into possible fixes is a bit premature. One thing I have been thinking about while installing new equipment at work is a modular system to large party formation. This has been something I have been thinking about for a while, but I wanted it to run the gamut in my head before releasing it to the wild.

Here is how it goes:

Basic party formation of 4 to 8 people can be achieved despite completeness. Upon converting the group into the higher bracket, i.e. unlocking it to allow in a max of 16, the party is incapable of deploying unless there is exactly 12 or 16 members. You could further lock this down in FW by only allowing group sizes of 4, 8, 12, or 16 to queue. This does end up isolating solo players, but please keep in mind, FW was not meant for this. A solo player will now have to make a squad, put it in. Squad Finder, get to the minimum of 4, lock it down, and then queue. This will do three things: it will allow easy Lego like blocks of players to be fit into FW, it will revitalize squad finder and force players to meet other people which could, in turn, boost corporation recruitment, and three, it will allow 16 man deploy. On a secondary note, you can lower matchmaking standards to allow in 12v12 and 16v16 matches, and if 2 4 man's queue up for opposite sides, dump them both into a 12v12 match as long as MCC health criteria are met.

I think this is a more workable solution than outright striking it off the table.

P.s. please contact me in game, I have some questions for you, Adipem, and want to see if it interests you (will be online in... 6.5 hours)

Right. Because thinking something through in advance is a whiny thing to do.

+1 for you, friend. Do stay clever. o7

...what...? Strawman much?

I love how you jump from a couple of NF members who support the idea to "NF wants it so they can abuse it." How would we use this "broken scenario" to any advantage? I am asking you kindly to remove your tinfoil cap and re think your statement.

Now, as far as the discussion on team deploy is concerned; the exact scenario you're arguing against is happening right now, and people are still getting into FW. Albeit, it is not a hard brick of players, but it is still 16 people queuing simultaneously to get into a match, yet, matchmaking still happens frequently and without an issue. You are wanting to limit player's capabilities to field full teams, while imposing artificial restraints on those who want to do full deploy, for no real reason, and then you hide behind strawmen like this to somehow gain sympathy?

We are not the devil you make us out to be.

It also can not split up a squad to make an even 16 people on the team.