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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.29 23:05:00 -
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Im calling for all players who are actively playing FW. We have to show everyone that we the organised players are the ones that should be heard. We are so close to get team deploy but yet we wont get it cause of some forum warriors posting against it. They argue for the solo players in FW but i say screw them! Together we can show whos really in charge of FW cause we the people who organise to get this whole thing every day kickstarted are those that should be listen to.
So my call is very simple:
stop playing FW, do not kickstart it, let the timer stay on 0:00 for all four factions. Without us the Q-Syncers it wouldnt be up in the first place. We have a powerfull tool at our hands and that is denial of FW matches so that the solo palyers are exposed as that what they are and that is cannonfodder and generally beeing useless. Dont play any FW matches for 2 days that should make it clear that we want Platoons to be aible to join FW matches.
If you are a CEO of a corp or even a alliance leader who supports this then send out a mail to your corp/alliance members to notify them to not kickstart FW. I know that im asking alot with this but we have to give CCP a signal from within the game that what they are doing is wrong.
A fair time span should be from tomorrows downtime till the 2nd of july (thursday) .
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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danthrax martin
Destinys Immortals
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.06.29 23:08:00 -
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... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird...
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.29 23:18:00 -
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Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC?
Loyal to The State
Member of State Protectorate //
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Civire Bloodline
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.06.29 23:19:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC?
I think some are looking to make it Corp Battles. The ability to farm LP is just a bonus?
MOAR Ladders
SpadeGǪ Remember your Warbarge
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XxBlazikenxX
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
878
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Posted - 2015.06.29 23:21:00 -
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No.
Monk JR
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.06.29 23:21:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC?
And it's not pubs stop treating it as such..it's not where people go for fun easy matches it's where people go to grind LP..
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.29 23:23:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC?
We don't. Or at least I don't. I want it to be its own game mode that allows me to take it seriously. If other players do not want to match my efforts that I shall win out over them and they have little grounds upon which to complain.
One thing is for certain. I don't want FW to be Pubs 2. *******-0 where people grind out for nothing more than LP in solo one man teams to derp around.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.29 23:42:00 -
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danthrax martin wrote:... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird...
Oh, i love you, you think this is weirder than me...
Oh the things i could show you... |
Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.06.30 00:16:00 -
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If you really want to hit home the point of 16v16 deploys being a going idea, here's a novel idea. Don't stop playing, grab an alt and be an absolutely terrible player.
Team Deploy in FW could also make it easier to avoid awoxing/suicide squads.
If you unabashedly want to end a match fast I also have a great deal of experience with organizing and encouraging awox/suicide squads.
A dead weight 8 player squad jumping in front of your bullets or falling to their deaths repeatedly is arguably more damaging for player moral than simply having a 16 player organized platoon dedicated to 'serious' play.
CCP would obviously take measures if this got out of control, but in the mean time there's nothing stopping you from claiming that you are a simple awoxer engaging in the sandbox of New Eden. I will be happy to run 8 man suicide squads in FW when Warlords 1.2 deploys. Goal, die a lot or get people to accidentally kill you in order to kick them from FW.
Here's Lee Corwood demonstrating one technique to die quickly. https://youtu.be/RlmZB1r5FQM
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danthrax martin
Destinys Immortals
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.06.30 02:01:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:danthrax martin wrote:... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird... Oh, i love you, you think this is weirder than me... Oh the things i could show you...
It wouldn't be me you'd have to convince... I'm my own special kind of wonderful.
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Boot Booter
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.30 02:06:00 -
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No. Stop trying to screw solo players. If you want a full team play PC. |
VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.30 02:10:00 -
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danthrax martin wrote:VAHZZ wrote:danthrax martin wrote:... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird... Oh, i love you, you think this is weirder than me... Oh the things i could show you... It wouldn't be me you'd have to convince... I'm my own special kind of wonderful.
As soon as Llast makes the call, I shall show you levels of weirdness unbeknownst to even GJR himself. |
Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.06.30 02:23:00 -
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No.
It ain't happening anyway.
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137H4RGIC
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.30 02:27:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Im calling for all players who are actively playing FW. We have to show everyone that we the organised players are the ones that should be heard. We are so close to get team deploy but yet we wont get it cause of some forum warriors posting against it. They argue for the solo players in FW but i say screw them! Together we can show whos really in charge of FW cause we the people who organise to get this whole thing every day kickstarted are those that should be listen to.
So my call is very simple:
stop playing FW, do not kickstart it, let the timer stay on 0:00 for all four factions. Without us the Q-Syncers it wouldnt be up in the first place. We have a powerfull tool at our hands and that is denial of FW matches so that the solo palyers are exposed as that what they are and that is cannonfodder and generally beeing useless. Dont play any FW matches for 2 days that should make it clear that we want Platoons to be aible to join FW matches.
If you are a CEO of a corp or even a alliance leader who supports this then send out a mail to your corp/alliance members to notify them to not kickstart FW. I know that im asking alot with this but we have to give CCP a signal from within the game that what they are doing is wrong.
A fair time span should be from tomorrows downtime till the 2nd of july (thursday) .
How does this help anyone? I'm sure CCP has heard the desire for team deploy in such events. Have you checked the Trello board to see if this is on the agenda?
I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together!
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.06.30 02:49:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:No. Stop trying to screw solo players. If you want a full team play PC.
PC isn't 24/7...we asked for corp battles back..this isn't a solo game otherwise there'd be PvE..I used to think its not fair for solo players (Imperfect, I can do anything I want I don't need help) then they changed squads to 6 and I was told htfu and make a squad..of course I've never heard of such a foul word before.."squad" what does that mean? I don't need it, it sounds gross.
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Jack the Rlpper
TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS
No Context
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Posted - 2015.06.30 03:34:00 -
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No **** you and your stupid idea along with anyone elses dumbass idea to have full 16 in fw fggt
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deezy dabest
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.06.30 04:05:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:
Greater than 8 man squads also generates mismatches who are unable to join battle until they get lucky and hit a squad that matches up with them to make 16.
What do you think wait times will be for 2 12 man squads that hit search? They will now be waiting on a total of 8 people with none of them being in a squad larger than 4.
Anyone want to guess how bad the endless list of combinations like that will affect wait time?
An 8 man squad is now waiting on any combination of 8 people while a 12 man squad is waiting on any combination of 4 people while a 6 man squad is waiting on any combination of 10 people. None of them are in battle even tho 26 people are now searching and only 16 are required to create a match. Instead they are forced to wait on specific combinations of people that can total 22 more people based on their respective requirements.
How is it that no one is seeing how horribly broken this would be? It is absolute basic mathematics. If squad size reaches more than 50% of the match generation goes all to hell.
EDIT:
Lets not forget that this would now be taking place on both sides and even when one side gets 16 the other side can have a 16 man sync swoop in and instantly match up leaving the process to start all over on the other side.
You thought people were mad about search times before. It would actually be a possibility that a squad that happens to have an unlucky number could search for the entire day and never get a match.
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Songs of Seraphim
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.30 07:02:00 -
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It's just a slight inconvenience, but it's better than what we have now.
Rather have 2 squads of 8 than 3 squads of 6-6-4 or 6-5-5.
Achura Bloodline
Loyalist of the State
Reclaim Caldari Prime!
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Otrera Goddess
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:26:00 -
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Stupid idea is stupid. No. |
korrah silain
True Illuminate
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:37:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Im calling for all players who are actively playing FW. We have to show everyone that we the organised players are the ones that should be heard. We are so close to get team deploy but yet we wont get it cause of some forum warriors posting against it. They argue for the solo players in FW but i say screw them! Together we can show whos really in charge of FW cause we the people who organise to get this whole thing every day kickstarted are those that should be listen to.
So my call is very simple:
stop playing FW, do not kickstart it, let the timer stay on 0:00 for all four factions. Without us the Q-Syncers it wouldnt be up in the first place. We have a powerfull tool at our hands and that is denial of FW matches so that the solo palyers are exposed as that what they are and that is cannonfodder and generally beeing useless. Dont play any FW matches for 2 days that should make it clear that we want Platoons to be aible to join FW matches.
If you are a CEO of a corp or even a alliance leader who supports this then send out a mail to your corp/alliance members to notify them to not kickstart FW. I know that im asking alot with this but we have to give CCP a signal from within the game that what they are doing is wrong.
A fair time span should be from tomorrows downtime till the 2nd of july (thursday) .
I AGREE THE WAY I PLAY THE GAME IS THE ONLY VALID WAY TO HAVE FUN PLAYING! EVERYONE ELSE IS PLAYING WRONG MY SQUADDIE BROTHERS WE MUST RISE UP AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE THE AUDACITY TO ENJOY PLAYING SOLO! THEYBARE HERETICS, AND THEY ARE WRONG! THE LIGHT OF TRUE FUN MUST BE FOISTED UPON THEM AND IF THEY REFUSE TO OPEN THEIR EYES TO THIS WORDERFUL PURE LIGHT, WE MUSG BANISH THEM TO THE PITS OF THE PUBS, AND BAR THEM FROM LOYALTY STORE EQUIPMENT FOR TEY ARE CLEARLY UNDEAERVING AND WRONG, AND DO NOT KNOW HOW TO APPRECIATE THIS GAME AS IT IS MEANT TO BE PLAYED! RISE MY BROTHERS
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Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
307
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:51:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC?
FW is better than PC for some people like me?
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
83
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:52:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me?
Meaning..? |
deezy dabest
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
2
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:56:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me? Meaning..?
I can only speak for myself but I have the same feeling that FW is already better than and can be far better than PC.
How can anyone really vest interest in 1 - 2 battles a day that happen at a certain time and if you are not able to be on at that time you have nothing else. Staking the entire game experience on a hour or so a day at a scheduled time seems a bit odd to me.
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
83
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:00:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me? Meaning..? I can only speak for myself but I have the same feeling that FW is already better than and can be far better than PC. How can anyone really vest interest in 1 - 2 battles a day that happen at a certain time and if you are not able to be on at that time you have nothing else. Staking the entire game experience on a hour or so a day at a scheduled time seems a bit odd to me.
Mmmmmkay here's the thing though If you do that you are effectivly barring people who prefer to play solo, or just feel like soloing from aquiring lps. That's a problem as that is the only way to aquire lps.
If you do this you may as well make team deploy a requirement for fw. Do ya see how that kinda...alienates some people? |
deezy dabest
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:06:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:deezy dabest wrote:korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me? Meaning..? I can only speak for myself but I have the same feeling that FW is already better than and can be far better than PC. How can anyone really vest interest in 1 - 2 battles a day that happen at a certain time and if you are not able to be on at that time you have nothing else. Staking the entire game experience on a hour or so a day at a scheduled time seems a bit odd to me. Mmmmmkay here's the thing though If you do that you are effectivly barring people who prefer to play solo, or just feel like soloing from aquiring lps. That's a problem as that is the only way to aquire lps. If you do this you may as well make team deploy a requirement for fw. Do ya see how that kinda...alienates some people?
There has been some miscommunication here.
The first quote was saying pretty close to the same thing you are saying that FW should not be like PC and should be open to people. My mistake for not really seeing what you were asking there.
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
83
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:10:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:
There has been some miscommunication here.
The first quote was saying pretty close to the same thing you are saying that FW should not be like PC and should be open to people. My mistake for not really seeing what you were asking there.
Ah yes well then glad I didn't get too snarky then lol
What I really was asking was his meaning of "people like me" |
deezy dabest
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
2
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:13:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:deezy dabest wrote:
There has been some miscommunication here.
The first quote was saying pretty close to the same thing you are saying that FW should not be like PC and should be open to people. My mistake for not really seeing what you were asking there.
Ah yes well then glad I didn't get too snarky then lol What I really was asking was his meaning of "people like me"
I would say that people like me was just referring to those of us who prefer be able to just play the game and have some good fun matches and not have to be on a schedule for catching the right hour of the game to actually have a bit of fun.
As I said before only speaking for myself on that one.
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Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
308
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:27:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:deezy dabest wrote:korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me? Meaning..? I can only speak for myself but I have the same feeling that FW is already better than and can be far better than PC. How can anyone really vest interest in 1 - 2 battles a day that happen at a certain time and if you are not able to be on at that time you have nothing else. Staking the entire game experience on a hour or so a day at a scheduled time seems a bit odd to me. Mmmmmkay here's the thing though If you do that you are effectivly barring people who prefer to play solo, or just feel like soloing from aquiring lps. That's a problem as that is the only way to aquire lps. If you do this you may as well make team deploy a requirement for fw. Do ya see how that kinda...alienates some people?
DUST514 is a Tactical Team based shooter. The ' solo ' mindset in FW & PC is handicapping yourself. That is your own choice of not playing the game with a team.
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
83
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:44:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:
DUST514 is a Tactical Team based shooter. The ' solo ' mindset in FW & PC is handicapping yourself. That is your own choice of not playing the game with a team.
Right because you can't use scouts SOLO tactically, or coordinate loosly with blueberry's to create flanking positions on the main fight, no tactics require you to be with a squad, go away with your false dichotomy bullschise fallacy. |
Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
309
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:48:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:
DUST514 is a Tactical Team based shooter. The ' solo ' mindset in FW & PC is handicapping yourself. That is your own choice of not playing the game with a team.
Right because you can't use scouts SOLO tactically, or coordinate loosly with blueberry's to create flanking positions on the main fight, no tactics require you to be with a squad, go away with your false dichotomy bullschise fallacy.
No, because you're suggesting turning FW into a casual fest.
Combat in DUST 514 is tactical and squad-based, and rewards you for playing as a team.Source
You are handicapping yourself for not being a part of a squad or team.
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:54:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:
DUST514 is a Tactical Team based shooter. The ' solo ' mindset in FW & PC is handicapping yourself. That is your own choice of not playing the game with a team.
Right because you can't use scouts SOLO tactically, or coordinate loosly with blueberry's to create flanking positions on the main fight, no tactics require you to be with a squad, go away with your false dichotomy bullschise fallacy. No, because you're suggesting turning FW into a casual fest. Combat in DUST 514 is tactical and squad-based, and rewards you for playing as a team.SourceYou are handicapping yourself for not being a part of a squad or team.
No I'm not proposing anything YOU ar proposing changing something and barring PLAYERS from having fun the way they chose.you are proposing an unnecessary elevation of competitiveness to a game that already has a toxicly low player base, and you are ignoring the fact that you ARE ALWAYS ON A TEAM!
So let me put it this way: why should the game mode change, how would the game bennifit? If your answer is itz moar competertive! Then just go play pc because it is unfair to bar players who don't WANT that high level of competitiveness from the LP currency system, and if you refuse to acknowledge that you are being intellectually dishonest. |
Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
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Posted - 2015.06.30 10:03:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:
DUST514 is a Tactical Team based shooter. The ' solo ' mindset in FW & PC is handicapping yourself. That is your own choice of not playing the game with a team.
Right because you can't use scouts SOLO tactically, or coordinate loosly with blueberry's to create flanking positions on the main fight, no tactics require you to be with a squad, go away with your false dichotomy bullschise fallacy. No, because you're suggesting turning FW into a casual fest. Combat in DUST 514 is tactical and squad-based, and rewards you for playing as a team.SourceYou are handicapping yourself for not being a part of a squad or team. No I'm not proposing anything YOU ar proposing changing something and barring PLAYERS from having fun the way they chose.you are proposing an unnecessary elevation of competitiveness to a game that already has a toxicly low player base, and you are ignoring the fact that you ARE ALWAYS ON A TEAM! So let me put it this way: why should the game mode change, how would the game bennifit? If your answer is itz moar competertive! Then just go play pc because it is unfair to bar players who don't WANT that high level of competitiveness from the LP currency system, and if you refuse to acknowledge that you are being intellectually dishonest.
barring PLAYERS from having fun
No, as I stated, you can solo but you are handicapping yourself for not working with / being a part of a squad / team.
why should the game mode change
FW, in it's current state has many problems. The FW community has politely asked, aggressively asked and demanded multiple changes over 2+ years. Currently, for once, FW is getting touched again. The topic currently is Squad Sizes. Right now, there are teams that are queing into Factional Warfare to earn their reputation amongst x faction, obtain LP, and affect EVE Online. Such teams can be found in but not limited to State Task Force or Lucent Echilion (I think I spelled that wrong? Never joined their chat). These players organize into teams to better coordinate themselves instead of going into a match with randoms who either, do not communicate or want to ' solo '.
how would the game bennifit?
Teams and people are willing to squad up and get work done, something you seem to be against, will be able to que up all at once. Not only does this create a easier atmosphere to work in but not only but also includes:
- Not having to back out of a FW match, leaving x side lopsided
- Smoother transition between matches
- Less need for dedicated channels
it is unfair to bar players who don't WANT that high level of competitiveness
So, organized teamwork is unfair? Is that what you are claiming?
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deezy dabest
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.06.30 10:15:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:
it is unfair to bar players who don't WANT that high level of competitiveness
So, organized teamwork is unfair? Is that what you are claiming?
Giving a huge benefit to players who already have an advantage to the point of making the game mode unplayable to anyone that does not organize at the exact same level is not balancing anything.
In all seriousness how many game modes are we suppose to have that are exclusive to only people that can organize a 16 man team? Lets just go ahead and lock pubs to 16 people as well and put the game in the ground.
I want organization and I want to be able to play all day when I want to which FW provides. It provides that because anyone is free to join even when they are solo and enter knowing they are probably going to get banged right in the head if they are on the wrong side.
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Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
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Posted - 2015.06.30 10:24:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:
it is unfair to bar players who don't WANT that high level of competitiveness
So, organized teamwork is unfair? Is that what you are claiming?
Giving a huge benefit to players who already have an advantage to the point of making the game mode unplayable to anyone that does not organize at the exact same level is not balancing anything. In all seriousness how many game modes are we suppose to have that are exclusive to only people that can organize a 16 man team? Lets just go ahead and lock pubs to 16 people as well and put the game in the ground. I want organization and I want to be able to play all day when I want to which FW provides. It provides that because anyone is free to join even when they are solo and enter knowing they are probably going to get banged right in the head if they are on the wrong side.
Game modes protecting unorganized players:
- Skirmish
- Ambush
- Domination
- Acquisition
Games modes with unprotected safety for unorganized players:
- Factional Warfare
- Planetary Conquest
Exactly how much of DUST514 do you want to be casually ' soloable ' without a team or coordinately working together? Because what you're asking for, is barring out the option for players to do what the game is designed for.
DUST 514 is tactical and squad-based, and rewards you for playing as a team.Source
Once you're ready to step into Factional Warfare or Planetary Conquest, you as the player, must understand that you are entering a higher level of competition. Which, for your own sake, you will squad up with others and eventually form a team and counter your enemy. Thus, promoting more team / squad work and helps lead to ' End Game Content ' being Planetary Conquest.
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
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Posted - 2015.06.30 10:27:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:
DUST514 is a Tactical Team based shooter. The ' solo ' mindset in FW & PC is handicapping yourself. That is your own choice of not playing the game with a team.
Right because you can't use scouts SOLO tactically, or coordinate loosly with blueberry's to create flanking positions on the main fight, no tactics require you to be with a squad, go away with your false dichotomy bullschise fallacy. No, because you're suggesting turning FW into a casual fest. Combat in DUST 514 is tactical and squad-based, and rewards you for playing as a team.SourceYou are handicapping yourself for not being a part of a squad or team. No I'm not proposing anything YOU ar proposing changing something and barring PLAYERS from having fun the way they chose.you are proposing an unnecessary elevation of competitiveness to a game that already has a toxicly low player base, and you are ignoring the fact that you ARE ALWAYS ON A TEAM! So let me put it this way: why should the game mode change, how would the game bennifit? If your answer is itz moar competertive! Then just go play pc because it is unfair to bar players who don't WANT that high level of competitiveness from the LP currency system, and if you refuse to acknowledge that you are being intellectually dishonest. barring PLAYERS from having funNo, as I stated, you can solo but you are handicapping yourself for not working with / being a part of a squad / team. why should the game mode change
FW, in it's current state has many problems. The FW community has politely asked, aggressively asked and demanded multiple changes over 2+ years. Currently, for once, FW is getting touched again. The topic currently is Squad Sizes. Right now, there are teams that are queing into Factional Warfare to earn their reputation amongst x faction, obtain LP, and affect EVE Online. Such teams can be found in but not limited to State Task Force or Lucent Echilion (I think I spelled that wrong? Never joined their chat). These players organize into teams to better coordinate themselves instead of going into a match with randoms who either, do not communicate or want to ' solo '. how would the game bennifit?Teams and people are willing to squad up and get work done, something you seem to be against, will be able to que up all at once. Not only does this create a easier atmosphere to work in but not only but also includes:
- Not having to back out of a FW match, leaving x side lopsided
- Smoother transition between matches
- Less need for dedicated channels
it is unfair to bar players who don't WANT that high level of competitiveness So, organized teamwork is unfair? Is that what you are claiming?
no what i am claiming is that i have apprehensions that this will lead to a mentality simmaler to pcs:run proto run full squads or be stomped mercilessly. this is fine for pc because territorry, etc, hell i would have no problem with it in fw if fw wasnt the only way to earn lp, but it is. ergo you are running the risk of putting that content behind another high wall of performance, which is one of the things keeping this game from building a playerbase.
i would also like to point out that the smoother transitions and less need for dedicated channels arguments are concerns that only really apply to squads, and the not having to back out argument could be fixed in different ways i am sure. those two points illustrate that you are entirely unconcerned with pushing other players out of content. anyway its late here i will come back when im more capable of elloquence. |
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Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.30 10:28:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:
I want organization and I want to be able to play all day when I want to which FW provides. It provides that because anyone is free to join even when they are solo and enter knowing they are probably going to get banged right in the head if they are on the wrong side.
In some respects this is exactly why Dust should never really have an impact on EVE FW for any reason. We're just likely to **** it up for them.
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Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
309
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Posted - 2015.06.30 10:34:00 -
[37] - Quote
@Korrah
entirely unconcerned with pushing other players out of content. anyway its late here i will come back when im more capable of elloquence.
That is correct. If you, the player, are not wanting to achieve a higher level of reward which require you to try more or cooperate with others, then this game mode is not for you.
Just like in EVE Online, if I want State Protectorate things from their LP store, I can only earn that LP by being enlisted in FW and doing FW things. Unfortunatly, I can not earn State Protectorate LP because my corporation is not enlisted, nor will be enlisted in the near future, into Caldari Factional Warfare.
With this PC Kredits thing coming, there might be things I want from the PC store; however, since i choose not to participate in PC, I will never earn or be able to get such things from the store.
Your argument of barring out players based on that statement, is invalid.
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
85
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Posted - 2015.06.30 10:45:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:@Korrah
entirely unconcerned with pushing other players out of content. anyway its late here i will come back when im more capable of elloquence.
That is correct. If you, the player, are not wanting to achieve a higher level of reward which require you to try more or cooperate with others, then this game mode is not for you.
Just like in EVE Online, if I want State Protectorate things from their LP store, I can only earn that LP by being enlisted in FW and doing FW things. Unfortunatly, I can not earn State Protectorate LP because my corporation is not enlisted, nor will be enlisted in the near future, into Caldari Factional Warfare.
With this PC Kredits thing coming, there might be things I want from the PC store; however, since i choose not to participate in PC, I will never earn or be able to get such things from the store.
Your argument of barring out players based on that statement, is invalid.
ok i lied, last post.
it is not invalid because eve and dust are two completely different games, in eve you can circumvent such limitations by becoming a merchant, or miner, or whatever the hell and trading with other players, in dust we have three game modes, and so very few players, if we push enough into a tiny limiting corner of pubs(who cant gain access to the full spectrum of equipment) they will just leave, especially considering that limitation doesnt go both ways, allowing people who do squad to get dirt cheap proto gear and stomp in pubs leading to frustration and exodus. what im saying is dont compare this tiny game with limited content to eve because thats ******* munchingly stupid. ugh i had another point but...ugh i cant remember right now...
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J0LLY R0G3R
Negative-Feedback.
3
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Posted - 2015.06.30 13:36:00 -
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Lol XD
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TheYoutube XD
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.06.30 14:02:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC?
FW IS competetive in EVE, and since Dust FW matches can have a huge impact on system capture in EVE, I think it's quite reasonable to want to take it more seriously than it is taken now.
You do realize that the lack of an organized Caldari channel for several months meant that every time the Caldari Militia would attempt to take a system in EVE, the match-generating script in Dust would put most of the Caldari-Gallente matches there, and the more organized Gallente teams would win over and over?
This puts the Planetary Capture modifier deep into the negatives and makes it absolutely impossible to capture a system before the Gallente Militia puts a small gang together and runs them out.
Dust FW mechanics are actually HARMING FW participation in EVE, guys.
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
1
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Posted - 2015.06.30 15:58:00 -
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Everybody argues. Nice. Something's happening.
Again, FW already due to qsyncs is limited to a small group. But you can still go in there solo/in a small squad.
Won't 8 man squad be enough? People will qsync anyway because they enjoy free and easy LP.
People don't understand that PC should be the place where you take things seriously.
It's limited by time. It's supposed to be that.
You're trying to make from FW a PC. Gamemode available only to a certain group.
How are new players suppose to get their LP items, cheaper gear and APEX suits if they won't be capable of doing anything in FW due to qsyncs/team deploy?
Now they can be put in a fair battle. Not always, but also it's not impossible.
With team deploy newer players, solo players, players from smaller squads wouldn't be able to win in FW.
FW would more than now turn into : join a platoon or never queue for it.
In conclusion.
FW should be semi-competetive. It should demand more than from pubs but not as much as PC does.
There's no place for newer/not as good players in PC. Do you want FW to be like this? Available only to better players?
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.06.30 16:24:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Good. More people for pubs and PC.
Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW IS competetive in EVE, and since Dust FW matches can have a huge impact on system capture in EVE, I think it's quite reasonable to want to take it more seriously than it is taken now. You do realize that the lack of an organized Caldari channel for several months meant that every time the Caldari Militia would attempt to take a system in EVE, the match-generating script in Dust would put most of the Caldari-Gallente matches there, and the more organized Gallente teams would win over and over? This puts the Planetary Capture modifier deep into the negatives and makes it absolutely impossible to capture a system before the Gallente Militia puts a small gang together and runs them out. Dust FW mechanics are actually HARMING FW participation in EVE, guys.
Dont say EVE. Do you know how much DUST players and Rattati shriek in fear whenever you say EVE?
Instead, just propose the things and when they finally get implemented, then tell them is was inspired by EVE. Hearts will be consumed in fear at the very thought.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.30 16:27:00 -
[43] - Quote
I dont care about those neckbeards who play eve like if it is a religion.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
310
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Posted - 2015.06.30 17:05:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:@Korrah
Stuff ok i lied, last post. it is not invalid because eve and dust are two completely different games, in eve you can circumvent such limitations by becoming a merchant, or miner, or whatever the hell and trading with other players, in dust we have three game modes, and so very few players, if we push enough into a tiny limiting corner of pubs(who cant gain access to the full spectrum of equipment) they will just leave, especially considering that limitation doesnt go both ways, allowing people who do squad to get dirt cheap proto gear and stomp in pubs leading to frustration and exodus. what im saying is dont compare this tiny game with limited content to eve because thats ******* munchingly stupid. ugh i had another point but...ugh i cant remember right now...
Not true, you trade or buy that said gear for isk. Once again, it's you, the player, fault for not squadding up and / or cooperating with a squad / team against the enemy. So, because you choose not to work with others, your statement is still invalid.
You are handicapping only yourself to prevent you from reaching a obtainable goal.
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Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
310
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Posted - 2015.06.30 17:07:00 -
[45] - Quote
Mejt0 wrote:
FW should be semi-competetive. It should demand more than from pubs but not as much as PC does.
There's no place for newer/not as good players in PC. Do you want FW to be like this? Available only to better players?
Team Deploy in FW is not preventing only allowing better players. It does the opposite and encourages people to squad and work as a team more.
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
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VAHZZ wrote:danthrax martin wrote:... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird... Oh, i love you, you think this is weirder than me... Oh the things i could show you...
Vahzz! Pants back on! There are children. That's not loco, that's being cavalier with your finances and not getting your free desert.
Loco Vahzz
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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Squagga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
837
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Posted - 2015.06.30 17:55:00 -
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I can't believe this is three pages long. I didn't even read the last two. Throwing tantrums isn't usually the best way, to get what you want. We'll probably get this for FW soon anyways
Shields, the silent killer.
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
3
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Posted - 2015.06.30 18:07:00 -
[48] - Quote
Balistyc Farshot wrote:VAHZZ wrote:danthrax martin wrote:... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird... Oh, i love you, you think this is weirder than me... Oh the things i could show you... Vahzz! Pants back on! There are children. That's not loco, that's being cavalier with your finances and not getting your free desert. Loco Vahzz
YOU WANT LOCO!!?! HUH!? I will show you loco, and I will rock the very foundation of your comprehension on the word!! I will show you!! All your shitt are belong to us!! Fire up the python fudgers, we are going to crazy town. LLAST I DEMAND THE CALL BE MADE! |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
2
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Posted - 2015.06.30 18:21:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Balistyc Farshot wrote:VAHZZ wrote:danthrax martin wrote:... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird... Oh, i love you, you think this is weirder than me... Oh the things i could show you... Vahzz! Pants back on! There are children. That's not loco, that's being cavalier with your finances and not getting your free desert. Loco Vahzz YOU WANT LOCO!!?! HUH!? I will show you loco, and I will rock the very foundation of your comprehension on the word!! I will show you!! All your shitt are belong to us!! Fire up the python fudgers, we are going to crazy town. LLAST I DEMAND THE CALL BE MADE!
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
245
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Posted - 2015.06.30 18:37:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Balistyc Farshot wrote:VAHZZ wrote:danthrax martin wrote:... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird... Oh, i love you, you think this is weirder than me... Oh the things i could show you... Vahzz! Pants back on! There are children. That's not loco, that's being cavalier with your finances and not getting your free desert. Loco Vahzz YOU WANT LOCO!!?! HUH!? I will show you loco, and I will rock the very foundation of your comprehension on the word!! I will show you!! All your shitt are belong to us!! Fire up the python fudgers, we are going to crazy town. LLAST I DEMAND THE CALL BE MADE! Drop that OB Llast....drop it....
Hey, Tunnel Snakes Rule! Keep those dirty fudge pythons away from here!
BTW - I feel sorry for DAAA Beast. If you get a mic those PCs will get real fun. You just need CatMerc to turn it to 11
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
7
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:11:00 -
[51] - Quote
Dropped
RELEASE THE VAHZZ
MOAR Ladders
SpadeGǪ Remember your Warbarge
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
3
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:12:00 -
[52] - Quote
Balistyc Farshot wrote:
BTW - I feel sorry for DAAA Beast. If you get a mic those PCs will get real fun. You just need CatMerc to turn it to 11
Beast: "Vahzz! Quit singing Shake It Off in Gollums voice and get that point!"
Me: "Baby I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake. Shake it Off, Shake it Off. Whooo whooo WHOOOOO!" vahzz (shotgun) stupid red +50
We are hacking the Clone Reanimation Unit.
We are hacking objective blahblahblah
Me: " I never miss a beat! Mm mm I am lighting up my feeet! Uh huh Im lighting up those feeets! Uh huh"
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VAHZZ
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
3
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:35:00 -
[53] - Quote
Llast 326 wrote:Dropped RELEASE THE VAHZZ
*the silence before the storm*.... |
Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
248
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Posted - 2015.06.30 20:34:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Balistyc Farshot wrote:
BTW - I feel sorry for DAAA Beast. If you get a mic those PCs will get real fun. You just need CatMerc to turn it to 11
Beast: "Vahzz! Quit singing Shake It Off in Gollums voice and get that point!" Me: "Baby I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake. Shake it Off, Shake it Off. Whooo whooo WHOOOOO!" vahzz (shotgun) stupid red +50 We are hacking the Clone Reanimation Unit. We are hacking objective blahblahblah Me: " I never miss a beat! Mm mm I am lighting up my feeet! Uh huh Im lighting up those feeets! Uh huh" EDIT: FINALLY! LOCO TIME!
This ^^ needs to be in your recruitment thread! I am going to have to figure out how to get Monster Synergy to hang with Corrosive Synergy!
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.06.30 21:03:00 -
[55] - Quote
/still queues into FW
Remember, I'm on the fence on the subject.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.06.30 22:56:00 -
[56] - Quote
I support this demonstration.
Will signal my friends to consider the same as well.
KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
2
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Posted - 2015.06.30 23:29:00 -
[57] - Quote
korrah silain wrote:
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Mmmmmkay here's the thing though If you do that you are effectivly barring people who prefer to play solo, or just feel like soloing from aquiring lps. That's a problem as that is the only way to aquire lps.
If you do this you may as well make team deploy a requirement for fw. Do ya see how that kinda...alienates some people?
Now why do people think that having a FW team deploy OPTION would forbid solo players from entering FW entirely???
Because no one to my knowledge has suggested it to be a requirement, before this person above sarcastically trying to smear the team possibility.
True, a solo player won't fit on side A if Side A is already full so the queue times can be longer. But that can happen already with q-syncing teams and even in cases of solo players filling up side A.
Solo player CAN still queue and be searching for next match.
The big questions which I urge anti-teamsters to answer:
What is wrong in the system which puts full FW team A vs full FW team B???
Because that would mean the solo players wouldn't be primarily going against full teams (or qsyncs as it is currently!)
Wouldn't that what solo players would truly want - a FW game which consists of 14+ soloers on BOTH sides???
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
248
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Posted - 2015.07.01 14:09:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:korrah silain wrote:
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Mmmmmkay here's the thing though If you do that you are effectivly barring people who prefer to play solo, or just feel like soloing from aquiring lps. That's a problem as that is the only way to aquire lps.
If you do this you may as well make team deploy a requirement for fw. Do ya see how that kinda...alienates some people?
Now why do people think that having a FW team deploy OPTION would forbid solo players from entering FW entirely???Because no one to my knowledge has suggested it to be a requirement, before this person above sarcastically trying to smear the team possibility. True, a solo player won't fit on side A if Side A is already full so the queue times can be longer. But that can happen already with q-syncing teams and even in cases of solo players filling up side A. Solo player CAN still queue and be searching for next match. The big questions which I urge anti-teamsters to answer:
What is wrong in the system which puts full FW team A vs full FW team B???Because that would mean the solo players wouldn't be primarily going against full teams (or qsyncs as it is currently!) Wouldn't that what solo players would truly want - a FW game which consists of 14+ soloers on BOTH sides???
Woah woah! You and your logic get out of here. You are going to make the anti-teamsters come in here and cry.
The anti-teamsters don't realize that even the big FW channels need fill ins. It is never a perfect 16. But they are so scared due to the PC model and the STUPID RINGERS! (Yes that is the problem), they think the same thing will happen in FW. LP isn't worth enough for that to happen. As long as the payout is low and KDR is not guaranteed, FW with 16 merc deploys would not be a problem. There is no incentive!!!!
Agree to this or I get the real teamsters union to come break your legs.
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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The KTM DuKe
0uter.Heaven
394
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Posted - 2015.07.01 14:33:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Im calling for all players who are actively playing FW. We have to show everyone that we the organised players are the ones that should be heard. We are so close to get team deploy but yet we wont get it cause of some forum warriors posting against it. They argue for the solo players in FW but i say screw them! Together we can show whos really in charge of FW cause we the people who organise to get this whole thing every day kickstarted are those that should be listen to.
So my call is very simple:
stop playing FW, do not kickstart it, let the timer stay on 0:00 for all four factions. Without us the Q-Syncers it wouldnt be up in the first place. We have a powerfull tool at our hands and that is denial of FW matches so that the solo palyers are exposed as that what they are and that is cannonfodder and generally beeing useless. Dont play any FW matches for 2 days that should make it clear that we want Platoons to be aible to join FW matches.
If you are a CEO of a corp or even a alliance leader who supports this then send out a mail to your corp/alliance members to notify them to not kickstart FW. I know that im asking alot with this but we have to give CCP a signal from within the game that what they are doing is wrong.
A fair time span should be from tomorrows downtime till the 2nd of july (thursday) .
Wow, you act like a hero, the funniest thing is that a turbopad user is tryng to balance a game, it s like put a terrorist as defence leader of a country under attack. Oh nevermind my country is already at it
The official commando points farmer of 0uter.Heaven ; I don't need team deploy for FW.
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ColdBlooded Max
Capital Acquisitions LLC
292
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Posted - 2015.07.01 14:38:00 -
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just stop playing the game and maybe they will fix's it ? |
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