DUST Search - To all FW players: stop playing FW if you want team deploy!

deezy dabest wrote:

Greater than 8 man squads also generates mismatches who are unable to join battle until they get lucky and hit a squad that matches up with them to make 16.

What do you think wait times will be for 2 12 man squads that hit search? They will now be waiting on a total of 8 people with none of them being in a squad larger than 4.

Anyone want to guess how bad the endless list of combinations like that will affect wait time?

An 8 man squad is now waiting on any combination of 8 people while a 12 man squad is waiting on any combination of 4 people while a 6 man squad is waiting on any combination of 10 people. None of them are in battle even tho 26 people are now searching and only 16 are required to create a match. Instead they are forced to wait on specific combinations of people that can total 22 more people based on their respective requirements.

How is it that no one is seeing how horribly broken this would be? It is absolute basic mathematics. If squad size reaches more than 50% of the match generation goes all to hell.

EDIT:

Lets not forget that this would now be taking place on both sides and even when one side gets 16 the other side can have a 16 man sync swoop in and instantly match up leaving the process to start all over on the other side.

You thought people were mad about search times before. It would actually be a possibility that a squad that happens to have an unlucky number could search for the entire day and never get a match.

Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.

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Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.29 23:05:00 - [1] - Quote Im calling for all players who are actively playing FW. We have to show everyone that we the organised players are the ones that should be heard. We are so close to get team deploy but yet we wont get it cause of some forum warriors posting against it. They argue for the solo players in FW but i say screw them! Together we can show whos really in charge of FW cause we the people who organise to get this whole thing every day kickstarted are those that should be listen to. So my call is very simple: stop playing FW, do not kickstart it, let the timer stay on 0:00 for all four factions. Without us the Q-Syncers it wouldnt be up in the first place. We have a powerfull tool at our hands and that is denial of FW matches so that the solo palyers are exposed as that what they are and that is cannonfodder and generally beeing useless. Dont play any FW matches for 2 days that should make it clear that we want Platoons to be aible to join FW matches. If you are a CEO of a corp or even a alliance leader who supports this then send out a mail to your corp/alliance members to notify them to not kickstart FW. I know that im asking alot with this but we have to give CCP a signal from within the game that what they are doing is wrong. A fair time span should be from tomorrows downtime till the 2nd of july (thursday) . Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
danthrax martin Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 395	Posted - 2015.06.29 23:08:00 - [2] - Quote ... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird... Suicidal A/V Moron Suicidal Logi "All I wanted was a Pepsi!"
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.29 23:18:00 - [3] - Quote Good. More people for pubs and PC. Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? Loyal to The State Member of State Protectorate // Belongs to Patriots power bloc Civire Bloodline
Llast 326 An Arkhos 7	Posted - 2015.06.29 23:19:00 - [4] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Good. More people for pubs and PC. Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? I think some are looking to make it Corp Battles. The ability to farm LP is just a bonus? MOAR Ladders SpadeGÇª Remember your Warbarge
XxBlazikenxX T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 878	Posted - 2015.06.29 23:21:00 - [5] - Quote No. Monk JR
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.06.29 23:21:00 - [6] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Good. More people for pubs and PC. Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? And it's not pubs stop treating it as such..it's not where people go for fun easy matches it's where people go to grind LP.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro püépü¬püƒpü»tºüpü«pâèpââpâêpéÆsÉ+püäpü+püÖ
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.29 23:23:00 - [7] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Good. More people for pubs and PC. Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? We don't. Or at least I don't. I want it to be its own game mode that allows me to take it seriously. If other players do not want to match my efforts that I shall win out over them and they have little grounds upon which to complain. One thing is for certain. I don't want FW to be Pubs 2. ******-0 where people grind out for nothing more than LP in solo one man teams to derp around. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.*
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.06.29 23:42:00 - [8] - Quote danthrax martin wrote: ... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird... Oh, i love you, you think this is weirder than me... Oh the things i could show you...
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 6	Posted - 2015.06.30 00:16:00 - [9] - Quote If you really want to hit home the point of 16v16 deploys being a going idea, here's a novel idea. Don't stop playing, grab an alt and be an absolutely terrible player. Team Deploy in FW could also make it easier to avoid awoxing/suicide squads. If you unabashedly want to end a match fast I also have a great deal of experience with organizing and encouraging awox/suicide squads. A dead weight 8 player squad jumping in front of your bullets or falling to their deaths repeatedly is arguably more damaging for player moral than simply having a 16 player organized platoon dedicated to 'serious' play. CCP would obviously take measures if this got out of control, but in the mean time there's nothing stopping you from claiming that you are a simple awoxer engaging in the sandbox of New Eden. I will be happy to run 8 man suicide squads in FW when Warlords 1.2 deploys. Goal, die a lot or get people to accidentally kill you in order to kick them from FW. Here's Lee Corwood demonstrating one technique to die quickly. https://youtu.be/RlmZB1r5FQM Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
danthrax martin Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 403	Posted - 2015.06.30 02:01:00 - [10] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: danthrax martin wrote: ... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird... Oh, i love you, you think this is weirder than me... Oh the things i could show you... It wouldn't be me you'd have to convince... I'm my own special kind of wonderful. Suicidal A/V Moron Suicidal Logi "All I wanted was a Pepsi!"

Boot Booter Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 02:06:00 - [11] - Quote No. Stop trying to screw solo players. If you want a full team play PC.
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 3	Posted - 2015.06.30 02:10:00 - [12] - Quote danthrax martin wrote: VAHZZ wrote: danthrax martin wrote: ... And everyone thought VAHZZ was weird... Oh, i love you, you think this is weirder than me... Oh the things i could show you... It wouldn't be me you'd have to convince... I'm my own special kind of wonderful. As soon as Llast makes the call, I shall show you levels of weirdness unbeknownst to even GJR himself.
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.30 02:23:00 - [13] - Quote No. It ain't happening anyway. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
137H4RGIC Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 528	Posted - 2015.06.30 02:27:00 - [14] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Im calling for all players who are actively playing FW. We have to show everyone that we the organised players are the ones that should be heard. We are so close to get team deploy but yet we wont get it cause of some forum warriors posting against it. They argue for the solo players in FW but i say screw them! Together we can show whos really in charge of FW cause we the people who organise to get this whole thing every day kickstarted are those that should be listen to. So my call is very simple: stop playing FW, do not kickstart it, let the timer stay on 0:00 for all four factions. Without us the Q-Syncers it wouldnt be up in the first place. We have a powerfull tool at our hands and that is denial of FW matches so that the solo palyers are exposed as that what they are and that is cannonfodder and generally beeing useless. Dont play any FW matches for 2 days that should make it clear that we want Platoons to be aible to join FW matches. If you are a CEO of a corp or even a alliance leader who supports this then send out a mail to your corp/alliance members to notify them to not kickstart FW. I know that im asking alot with this but we have to give CCP a signal from within the game that what they are doing is wrong. A fair time span should be from tomorrows downtime till the 2nd of july (thursday) . How does this help anyone? I'm sure CCP has heard the desire for team deploy in such events. Have you checked the Trello board to see if this is on the agenda? I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.06.30 02:49:00 - [15] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: No. Stop trying to screw solo players. If you want a full team play PC. PC isn't 24/7...we asked for corp battles back..this isn't a solo game otherwise there'd be PvE..I used to think its not fair for solo players (Imperfect, I can do anything I want I don't need help) then they changed squads to 6 and I was told htfu and make a squad..of course I've never heard of such a foul word before.."squad" what does that mean? I don't need it, it sounds gross. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro püépü¬püƒpü»tºüpü«pâèpââpâêpéÆsÉ+püäpü+püÖ
Jack the Rlpper TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS No Context 204	Posted - 2015.06.30 03:34:00 - [16] - Quote No **** you and your stupid idea along with anyone elses dumbass idea to have full 16 in fw fggt n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç n++pâçGòÉS+Ç
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.06.30 04:05:00 - [17] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Greater than 8 man squads also generates mismatches who are unable to join battle until they get lucky and hit a squad that matches up with them to make 16. What do you think wait times will be for 2 12 man squads that hit search? They will now be waiting on a total of 8 people with none of them being in a squad larger than 4. Anyone want to guess how bad the endless list of combinations like that will affect wait time? An 8 man squad is now waiting on any combination of 8 people while a 12 man squad is waiting on any combination of 4 people while a 6 man squad is waiting on any combination of 10 people. None of them are in battle even tho 26 people are now searching and only 16 are required to create a match. Instead they are forced to wait on specific combinations of people that can total 22 more people based on their respective requirements. How is it that no one is seeing how horribly broken this would be? It is absolute basic mathematics. If squad size reaches more than 50% of the match generation goes all to hell. EDIT: Lets not forget that this would now be taking place on both sides and even when one side gets 16 the other side can have a 16 man sync swoop in and instantly match up leaving the process to start all over on the other side. You thought people were mad about search times before. It would actually be a possibility that a squad that happens to have an unlucky number could search for the entire day and never get a match. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Songs of Seraphim Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 1	Posted - 2015.06.30 07:02:00 - [18] - Quote It's just a slight inconvenience, but it's better than what we have now. Rather have 2 squads of 8 than 3 squads of 6-6-4 or 6-5-5. Achura Bloodline Loyalist of the State Reclaim Caldari Prime!
Otrera Goddess Nos Nothi 362	Posted - 2015.06.30 08:26:00 - [19] - Quote Stupid idea is stupid. No.
korrah silain True Illuminate 82	Posted - 2015.06.30 08:37:00 - [20] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Im calling for all players who are actively playing FW. We have to show everyone that we the organised players are the ones that should be heard. We are so close to get team deploy but yet we wont get it cause of some forum warriors posting against it. They argue for the solo players in FW but i say screw them! Together we can show whos really in charge of FW cause we the people who organise to get this whole thing every day kickstarted are those that should be listen to. So my call is very simple: stop playing FW, do not kickstart it, let the timer stay on 0:00 for all four factions. Without us the Q-Syncers it wouldnt be up in the first place. We have a powerfull tool at our hands and that is denial of FW matches so that the solo palyers are exposed as that what they are and that is cannonfodder and generally beeing useless. Dont play any FW matches for 2 days that should make it clear that we want Platoons to be aible to join FW matches. If you are a CEO of a corp or even a alliance leader who supports this then send out a mail to your corp/alliance members to notify them to not kickstart FW. I know that im asking alot with this but we have to give CCP a signal from within the game that what they are doing is wrong. A fair time span should be from tomorrows downtime till the 2nd of july (thursday) . I AGREE THE WAY I PLAY THE GAME IS THE ONLY VALID WAY TO HAVE FUN PLAYING! EVERYONE ELSE IS PLAYING WRONG MY SQUADDIE BROTHERS WE MUST RISE UP AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE THE AUDACITY TO ENJOY PLAYING SOLO! THEYBARE HERETICS, AND THEY ARE WRONG! THE LIGHT OF TRUE FUN MUST BE FOISTED UPON THEM AND IF THEY REFUSE TO OPEN THEIR EYES TO THIS WORDERFUL PURE LIGHT, WE MUSG BANISH THEM TO THE PITS OF THE PUBS, AND BAR THEM FROM LOYALTY STORE EQUIPMENT FOR TEY ARE CLEARLY UNDEAERVING AND WRONG, AND DO NOT KNOW HOW TO APPRECIATE THIS GAME AS IT IS MEANT TO BE PLAYED! RISE MY BROTHERS note the preceding was sarcastic commentary on the op

Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 307	Posted - 2015.06.30 08:51:00 - [21] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Good. More people for pubs and PC. Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me? CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
korrah silain True Illuminate 83	Posted - 2015.06.30 08:52:00 - [22] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Good. More people for pubs and PC. Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me? Meaning..?
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.06.30 08:56:00 - [23] - Quote korrah silain wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Good. More people for pubs and PC. Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me? Meaning..? I can only speak for myself but I have the same feeling that FW is already better than and can be far better than PC. How can anyone really vest interest in 1 - 2 battles a day that happen at a certain time and if you are not able to be on at that time you have nothing else. Staking the entire game experience on a hour or so a day at a scheduled time seems a bit odd to me. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
korrah silain True Illuminate 83	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:00:00 - [24] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: korrah silain wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Good. More people for pubs and PC. Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me? Meaning..? I can only speak for myself but I have the same feeling that FW is already better than and can be far better than PC. How can anyone really vest interest in 1 - 2 battles a day that happen at a certain time and if you are not able to be on at that time you have nothing else. Staking the entire game experience on a hour or so a day at a scheduled time seems a bit odd to me. Mmmmmkay here's the thing though If you do that you are effectivly barring people who prefer to play solo, or just feel like soloing from aquiring lps. That's a problem as that is the only way to aquire lps. If you do this you may as well make team deploy a requirement for fw. Do ya see how that kinda...alienates some people?
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:06:00 - [25] - Quote korrah silain wrote: deezy dabest wrote: korrah silain wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Good. More people for pubs and PC. Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me? Meaning..? I can only speak for myself but I have the same feeling that FW is already better than and can be far better than PC. How can anyone really vest interest in 1 - 2 battles a day that happen at a certain time and if you are not able to be on at that time you have nothing else. Staking the entire game experience on a hour or so a day at a scheduled time seems a bit odd to me. Mmmmmkay here's the thing though If you do that you are effectivly barring people who prefer to play solo, or just feel like soloing from aquiring lps. That's a problem as that is the only way to aquire lps. If you do this you may as well make team deploy a requirement for fw. Do ya see how that kinda...alienates some people? There has been some miscommunication here. The first quote was saying pretty close to the same thing you are saying that FW should not be like PC and should be open to people. My mistake for not really seeing what you were asking there. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
korrah silain True Illuminate 83	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:10:00 - [26] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: There has been some miscommunication here. The first quote was saying pretty close to the same thing you are saying that FW should not be like PC and should be open to people. My mistake for not really seeing what you were asking there. Ah yes well then glad I didn't get too snarky then lol What I really was asking was his meaning of "people like me"
deezy dabest Evil Syndicate Alliance. 2	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:13:00 - [27] - Quote korrah silain wrote: deezy dabest wrote: There has been some miscommunication here. The first quote was saying pretty close to the same thing you are saying that FW should not be like PC and should be open to people. My mistake for not really seeing what you were asking there. Ah yes well then glad I didn't get too snarky then lol What I really was asking was his meaning of "people like me" I would say that people like me was just referring to those of us who prefer be able to just play the game and have some good fun matches and not have to be on a schedule for catching the right hour of the game to actually have a bit of fun. As I said before only speaking for myself on that one. Remove NPC orbitals from FW. -- Fix orbital timers for Eve players assisting in Planetary Conquest.
Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 308	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:27:00 - [28] - Quote korrah silain wrote: deezy dabest wrote: korrah silain wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Good. More people for pubs and PC. Get it in your head. FW ain't PC. Why do you want to make it as competetive as PC? FW is better than PC for some people like me? Meaning..? I can only speak for myself but I have the same feeling that FW is already better than and can be far better than PC. How can anyone really vest interest in 1 - 2 battles a day that happen at a certain time and if you are not able to be on at that time you have nothing else. Staking the entire game experience on a hour or so a day at a scheduled time seems a bit odd to me. Mmmmmkay here's the thing though If you do that you are effectivly barring people who prefer to play solo, or just feel like soloing from aquiring lps. That's a problem as that is the only way to aquire lps. If you do this you may as well make team deploy a requirement for fw. Do ya see how that kinda...alienates some people? DUST514 is a Tactical Team based shooter. The ' solo ' mindset in FW & PC is handicapping yourself. That is your own choice of not playing the game with a team. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
korrah silain True Illuminate 83	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:44:00 - [29] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: DUST514 is a Tactical Team based shooter. The ' solo ' mindset in FW & PC is handicapping yourself. That is your own choice of not playing the game with a team. Right because you can't use scouts SOLO tactically, or coordinate loosly with blueberry's to create flanking positions on the main fight, no tactics require you to be with a squad, go away with your false dichotomy bullschise fallacy.
Starlight Burner Arrary of Clusters 309	Posted - 2015.06.30 09:48:00 - [30] - Quote korrah silain wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: DUST514 is a Tactical Team based shooter. The ' solo ' mindset in FW & PC is handicapping yourself. That is your own choice of not playing the game with a team. Right because you can't use scouts SOLO tactically, or coordinate loosly with blueberry's to create flanking positions on the main fight, no tactics require you to be with a squad, go away with your false dichotomy bullschise fallacy. No, because you're suggesting turning FW into a casual fest. Combat in DUST 514 is tactical and squad-based, and rewards you for playing as a team.Source You are handicapping yourself for not being a part of a squad or team. CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST



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