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Kinky Fat Bastard
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2015.06.23 00:58:00 -
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Aiden Solferrous wrote:Kinky Fat Bastard wrote:
I suggest you stop caring about it.
Ignoring a community concern solves nothing, as your statement did nothing to help the conversation.
You should stop caring about it because it doesn't really matter, its of little consequence.
I play the same game as you, run proto, run solo. Don't care which side I'm on, I'll kill what I can. A full team of useless scrubs is worse than half a team of decent players.
I've been playing 3? times longer than you (if that's your main) sometimes the odds are against you.
Htfu
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Aiden Solferrous
IRON SUNS
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Posted - 2015.06.23 01:20:00 -
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Kinky Fat Bastard wrote:
I play the same game as you, run proto, run solo. Don't care which side I'm on, I'll kill what I can. A full team of useless scrubs is worse than half a team of decent players.
I've been playing 3? times longer than you (if that's your main) sometimes the odds are against you.
Htfu
Your ignoring the point but that's ok. You assume you've been on here longer then me which doesn't mean anything if true or not. I don't care about the odds I care about this subject matter of increasing the player base if by some small means. True new players aren't as good as a team of vets but when you want to encourage growth in the game you can't think small. I don't think I need to continue since my point is made.
And to your statement of htfu I say lolz to you sir just lozl  |
Milita Mable
Quafe Milita
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Posted - 2015.06.23 01:56:00 -
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High Sec, Lo Sec, Null Sec.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.06.23 02:16:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Nahhh
"Quick! Arm the desperation torpedoes!!".
My hope rests in tiercide.
Can't wait. I'll be able to put more militia BPOs on my BPO fits!
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2015.06.23 02:22:00 -
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Aiden Solferrous wrote:From people I've talked too its mainly seeing a group stacked from 1 corp or just 2 corps on the opposing side. Once they see that they leave because they know the enemy is going to be more organised and usually more advanced then their own team of randoms.
Back in the day that put a big target on your back if you were the most respected corp in the match. People would come out swinging in proto because they knew they were in for a fight. But that was before 80% or more of the playerbase was solo all the time in crappy suits.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2015.06.23 02:28:00 -
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I was in consecutive FW matches last night where my Negative Feedback squad and Outer Heaven's squad were team killing each other while capturing points and killing the enemy. Consecutive redline matches, complete stomps.
This isn't a vet problem. People aren't even trying. In some matches a single tank can completely redline a team. They just simply can't be bothered with AV. The 4 snipers somehow can't see the 7 dudes on the pipes camping, not sure what those guys are looking for. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.23 02:31:00 -
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Kinky Fat Bastard wrote:
Htfu
That sentiment hasn't exactly worked very well for us. So far, at least.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:31:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:If Scotty must serve low-quality matches, adjusting pay scales would be the very best way to keep players playing.
As a given lobby's Mu disparity increases, the underdog SP / Isk multiplier increases. The steeper the odds are against you, the more you get paid at the end of the match. Once it is worthwhile to do so, more players will stick it out and fight through the low-quality matches.
Hell yeah, exactly the sort of solutions I'm looking for. +1 and posted in the OP.
This as well.
Vote #TeamGreen
Because if you don't, the Caldari will be the next ones who are bias!
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
737
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:37:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Hide the other team's character names. Not really fond of that idea, sorry. There must be another way, either with a carrot or stick (or both). We are already hiding enough information as it is.
Yea but this isn't needed
Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:42:00 -
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Leaving a fight because of the opposition is like seeing a big booty and declining because you dont think you can handle it. Man up, go in there and perform as poorly as you are able!
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
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MrCriminal High Power
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:45:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Leaving a fight because of the opposition is like seeing a big booty and declining because you dont think you can handle it. Man up, go in there and perform as poorly as you are able!
Coming from a guy who proto stomps with his corp 24/7.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ¤.°n+ín+ƒGÿåGùÅ°.LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
El Diablo 666
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:48:00 -
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MrCriminal High Power wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Leaving a fight because of the opposition is like seeing a big booty and declining because you dont think you can handle it. Man up, go in there and perform as poorly as you are able! Coming from a guy who proto stomps with his corp 24/7.
Coming from a guy who has obviously never played with/against me. I run bpos mostly homeboy.
I have been waiting for a chance to also tell you, your name is stupid, and it bothers me.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
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MrCriminal High Power
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:49:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:MrCriminal High Power wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Leaving a fight because of the opposition is like seeing a big booty and declining because you dont think you can handle it. Man up, go in there and perform as poorly as you are able! Coming from a guy who proto stomps with his corp 24/7. Coming from a guy who has obviously never played with/against me. I run bpos mostly homeboy. I have been waiting for a chance to also tell you, your name is stupid, and it bothers me.
Lol I know TR for a fact proto stomps cause I use to be in TR.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ¤.°n+ín+ƒGÿåGùÅ°.LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
El Diablo 666
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:52:00 -
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MrCriminal High Power wrote:Reign Omega wrote:MrCriminal High Power wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Leaving a fight because of the opposition is like seeing a big booty and declining because you dont think you can handle it. Man up, go in there and perform as poorly as you are able! Coming from a guy who proto stomps with his corp 24/7. Coming from a guy who has obviously never played with/against me. I run bpos mostly homeboy. I have been waiting for a chance to also tell you, your name is stupid, and it bothers me. Lol I know TR for a fact proto stomps cause I use to be in TR.
Ah I can neither confirm or deny, I dont run much with corp, usually only Gucci and Hateskull. Gucci just stomps, no proto, and hateskull....well he hates on things? We're not as organized as people like to think lll
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
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MrCriminal High Power
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:54:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:MrCriminal High Power wrote:Reign Omega wrote:MrCriminal High Power wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Leaving a fight because of the opposition is like seeing a big booty and declining because you dont think you can handle it. Man up, go in there and perform as poorly as you are able! Coming from a guy who proto stomps with his corp 24/7. Coming from a guy who has obviously never played with/against me. I run bpos mostly homeboy. I have been waiting for a chance to also tell you, your name is stupid, and it bothers me. Lol I know TR for a fact proto stomps cause I use to be in TR. Ah I can neither confirm or deny, I dont run much with corp, usually only Gucci and Hateskull. Gucci just stomps, no proto, and hateskull....well he hates on things? We're not as organized as people like to think lll
Well then I'm done here for tonight. o7
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ¤.°n+ín+ƒGÿåGùÅ°.LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
El Diablo 666
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:01:00 -
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An interesting and possibly effective solution that I would never have proposed. I am against the nerfing of information but I am also FOR and AGAINST alot of things that most of the community does not agree with. Of course I also think so little of the community that I regard them as unskilled, selfish, whiners who rather quit than do their best all the time.
Maybe it is time I stop thinking about what I think would be best for a fun competitive game for me, and look for a solution to appease these scrubs. heck it might even make for an even more fun game if I stop thinking so selfishly. I am not even being sarcastic. The only reason this idea is a good one is because the community is just so bad in attitude. Nobody wants to try and put forth effort. If the odds are slightly against their favor they will give up. Do these scrubs have any clue how many times I went 1 vs 6 and won?? How many times I soloed objectives??? Do they realize that the only reason I can be so cocky is because I never gave up??
Sadly I cannot have such high expectations for this community. maybe such high expectations works on myself and improving my gameplay but it is not for everyone. +1 for this idea, not because I like it but because I have such little respect for a bad community.
Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$.
GreatestCPMOFAllTime
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:01:00 -
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An interesting and possibly effective solution that I would never have proposed. I am against the nerfing of information but I am also FOR and AGAINST alot of things that most of the community does not agree with. Of course I also think so little of the community that I regard them as unskilled, selfish, whiners who rather quit than do their best all the time.
Maybe it is time I stop thinking about what I think would be best for a fun competitive game for me, and look for a solution to appease these scrubs. heck it might even make for an even more fun game if I stop thinking so selfishly. I am not even being sarcastic. The only reason this idea is a good one is because the community is just so bad in attitude. Nobody wants to try and put forth effort. If the odds are slightly against their favor they will give up. Do these scrubs have any clue how many times I went 1 vs 6 and won?? How many times I soloed objectives??? Do they realize that the only reason I can be so cocky is because I never gave up??
Sadly I cannot have such high expectations for this community. maybe such high expectations works on myself and improving my gameplay but it is not for everyone. +1 for this idea, not because I like it but because I have such little respect for a bad community.
Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$.
GreatestCPMOFAllTime
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
461
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:11:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:A lot of people that leave are often the side that will most assuredly lose. So: Make it so losing sucks less. Make it so risking your hide in a stompfest does more than feed WP and ISK to those doing the stomping. Make it so losers and victims of stomps/bad matchmaking have cause to stay and fight it out (besides the laughable notion of "e-honor").
Oh, wait. Doing that could actually fix a problem. Can't have that. Better to pretend to fix a problem by altering things that have little to do with the actual problem.
Payouts should be buffed across the board.
Being in a squad should grant some additional bonus. Just for those too stupid to realize their repeated stompings have something to do with running solo and hacking 4 installations before going near an objective. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
461
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:13:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:An interesting and possibly effective solution that I would never have proposed. I am against the nerfing of information but I am also FOR and AGAINST alot of things that most of the community does not agree with. Of course I also think so little of the community that I regard them as unskilled, selfish, whiners who rather quit than do their best all the time.
Maybe it is time I stop thinking about what I think would be best for a fun competitive game for me, and look for a solution to appease these scrubs. heck it might even make for an even more fun game if I stop thinking so selfishly. I am not even being sarcastic. The only reason this idea is a good one is because the community is just so bad in attitude. Nobody wants to try and put forth effort. If the odds are slightly against their favor they will give up. Do these scrubs have any clue how many times I went 1 vs 6 and won?? How many times I soloed objectives??? Do they realize that the only reason I can be so cocky is because I never gave up??
Sadly I cannot have such high expectations for this community. maybe such high expectations works on myself and improving my gameplay but it is not for everyone. +1 for this idea, not because I like it but because I have such little respect for a bad community.
People think sniping is effective. They really think that they are doing some good. Once you realize that it really puts the current situation into perspective. |
Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.06.23 15:20:00 -
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I punitive timer would really hurt this game.
Match leaving can't be completely fixed as long as teams are so frequently mis-matched.
A lot of vets forget what it's like to be new. Some people turn Dust on and just want to play pubs and have fun, while full squads of protostompers ruin that experience.
I never leave battles, but not everyone is rich enough to run proto forever.
It would be a pretty big slap in the face for a player who has already decided this game is not going to be enjoyable enough to play, and then force them to stare at an (increasingly long) penalty timer.
I couldn't think of a better way to drive away what's left of our player base.
Pending better balance and matchmaking, a much better idea for this problem is to reward players who routinely stick it through to the end
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control
Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2015.06.23 16:27:00 -
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Don't allow squads in public matches would lessen a lot of leavers I'm sure.
Just seeing tons of people from the same corp on the other team and randoms on mine usually makes my initial thought that this is a match that will be lost.
/c
DUSTBoard
DUST Server Status
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
3
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:05:00 -
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The only time I leave a match is because I have to go do something in the real world...... or the occasional rage quit (Won't lie, it does happen from time to time)
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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maybe deadcatz
Horizons' Edge
No Context
208
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:10:00 -
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what about that thing from cod? where if you leave too many matches in a row you have to wait to join another match? the times get longer as you leave more matches
Ewar? What's that? Some kind of new crutch? Learn how to use your eyes and ears you maggots. Batteskirts for the win!!
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:16:00 -
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Dragonmeballs wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Regardless of the discussion on whether match making is broken or not, no one can argue that 90+% of the time that matchmaker puts you in something, the sides are uneven and the match outcome is already pre-determined. And this is the great fallacy that has corrupted the playerbase.... (I'm not picking on you demens just the sentiment you expressed) "There are 10 players on my side and 13 on theirs. We are so screwed. Lets bail. " Initial conditions (before the match began and anybody dropped to the ground) were even based on the Mu sum of each of the teams. That last part is the most important part. An equal Mu sum total may require one team to be larger than the other to balance the equation.
That's not how that works.
Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi
Have a pony
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Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:19:00 -
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EDIT: Sorry it's a wall of text..... didn't seem that long when I was typing! There is a sort of idea based around meta levels nearer the bottom but I'm not sure it's worth it!!!
As someone who still really only runs Starter Fits I have definitely been guilty of both AFKing 5mins into a match when already 5 capped and flat out leaving when I've seen the team sheet come up (There's only so many times in a night you can face a full Carne Con Papas, Negative Feedback stomp sync) and I accept the abuse and team kills it gets me in FW.
And that's part of the problem the player base is small enough that it doesn't take long to know who you're up against, who they'll be squadded with and how they're going to go about having you redlined in 5 mins.
There are also two problems to deal with. One is that people who can run proto give up and don't keep pushing because they can't out spend the opposition (an unfortunate hangover from PC as, I believe, ideally it should be very very difficult to finance running proto in pubs at all times. The trouble now is that some people can, and then some, so is it unfair if not everyone can? Hence calls to buff payouts).
The second problem is for people like me when it becomes apparent that there is actually no point in pushing, trying or doing anything other than run into a wall for 5 mins and make a cup of tea because anything you do you'll either be on your own or hunted down within seconds and one shotted by a Viziam or Kaalakiota. As much as people cry about not trying how much use to your team are you actually going 1/10 with 75WP?
Saying that I don't mind being cannon fodder IF THE MATCH IS EXCITING and there is a chance to turn the other team over, but I'm not going to simply be there to pad someones KD. Starting a match with two big corps on either team only for one to back out at the start is really irritating because it has potentially denied a whole bunch of people a good match to be involved in.
Having come up out of the lower tier of match making into the higher one a couple of times now it's a sad truth that the lower tier matches do seem better, more exciting, varied and dynamic...... and that's not just because my KD improved.
These frustrations are currently multiplied as I'm trying to grind LP (this is my own fault though not match making etc)
It'd be a shame if proto was removed from pubs (not that I have any yet), even if it's only because it adds to the variety and requirements to be aware of what's going on around you. Also most of the people who have it have earned it, invested in it, paid for it etc etc, and apparently even stomping like mad it's tricky to make enough ISK in pubs to fuel the proto habit (for some).
If meta levels come in I'd probably like to see a dynamic balance around them on a per match basis. Rather than just lock people using a certain meta out of pubs I'd like people to be able to run whatever they want but their meta level to be taken into account at the end of the match.
Now I know people are going to point out how open to abuse this probably is and how bad idea is bad but....
The oppositions average meta level, possibly based on everybody's preferred suit or simply on the highest meta level each person ran, could be calculated at the end of the match and then people get a multiplier on their WP or SP or ISK based on if their meta level was above or below that average.
Everybody on the opposition only in Milita and your out in a maxed out mk.0 assault?
Fine you can get your 40/1 KD but you're going to be getting an eg. -25% multiplier to your EOM WP/SP/ISK whichever whereas the guy on your team who also only showed up in Militia Gear will be getting a +/-0% multiplier meaning they may come away with as much of a payment as you.
Then because you've dragged your sides meta level up above the oppositions most of them will get an e.g +10% multiplier on their results. For them 1 or 2 kills could be worth as much in terms of WP/SP/ISK as 4/5 of yours.
or something like that. It's similar to the idea that if you kill a higher tier suit you get more WP than if you kill a lower tier one but team rather than individual based.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
10
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:37:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:I punitive timer would really hurt this game. Match leaving can't be completely fixed as long as teams are so frequently mis-matched. A lot of vets forget what it's like to be new. Some people turn Dust on and just want to play pubs and have fun, while full squads of protostompers ruin that experience. I never leave battles, but not everyone is rich enough to run proto forever. It would be a pretty big slap in the face for a player who has already decided this game is not going to be enjoyable enough to play, and then force them to stare at an (increasingly long) penalty timer. I couldn't think of a better way to drive away what's left of our player base. Pending better balance and matchmaking, a much better idea for this problem is to reward players who routinely stick it through to the end
I really don't think adding an artificial number system with which to guilt players that they have little to no control over is in the best interests of either the game or the community, especially one that can be so easily abused for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with match-making considering that it isn't even done after the fact.
Vote #TeamGreen
Because if you don't, the Caldari will be the next ones who are bias!
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William Harold
highland marines
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.06.24 11:47:00 -
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I find it funny that it's a proto-stomping Negative Feedback member to suggest additional penalties against those who wanted to get away from the proto-stomping (pubs and [M]FW) because it's just not feasible to play against it... and a waste of ISK with any modified free suit (rookie suits). Or, you die over and over again in said rookie suit.
But, I digress.
"Your penis just got fluxed." - Unholy Hategore
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
10
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Posted - 2015.06.24 12:37:00 -
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William Harold wrote:I find it funny that it's a proto-stomping Negative Feedback member to suggest additional penalties against those who wanted to get away from the proto-stomping (pubs and [M]FW) because it's just not feasible to play against it... and a waste of ISK with any modified free suit (rookie suits). Or, you die over and over again in said rookie suit.
But, I digress.
Lol. Proto-stomping is a consequence of fundamentally broken design, not a consequence of a player not having enough e-bushido to run militia against every player the match-maker pits against him. Acting as though my argument is invalid and that it is wrong for me to want a good fight, instead of fighting against a team of 2-6 people, because I run the best gear that I can applicably afford and have worked for over the course of three years... Is like saying that I shouldn't use every available advantage afforded to me by game design because it is unfair for the other guy.
If you want to stop proto-stomping, join me in the constant fight for tiercide. Join me in wanting a better match-maker overall. Join me in wanting better performance.
Or you can sit there and constantly confuse the issue with players doing exactly what the game allows and intends for them to do.
Vote #TeamGreen
Because if you don't, the Caldari will be the next ones who are bias!
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
2
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Posted - 2015.06.24 12:39:00 -
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William Harold wrote:I find it funny that it's a proto-stomping Negative Feedback member to suggest additional penalties against those who wanted to get away from the proto-stomping (pubs and [M]FW) because it's just not feasible to play against it... and a waste of ISK with any modified free suit (rookie suits). Or, you die over and over again in said rookie suit.
But, I digress.
One reason people leave battle is the one you mention here.
But I think you're not considering another: people don't even bother to find out if they're not gonna enjoy the battle, they just leave based on corp squads in the list of names. Some battles where I looked at the merc list at the start and thought "ugh this might be tough" have been great fun.
And when I'm getting owned....it's not always proto on the death screen. The attitude I have that made me hang around to find that out is something that is probably dying out. |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
2
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Posted - 2015.06.24 12:41:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:If Scotty must serve low-quality matches, adjusting pay scales would be the very best way to keep players playing.
As a given lobby's Mu disparity increases, the underdog SP / Isk multiplier increases. The steeper the odds are against you, the more you get paid at the end of the match. Once it is worthwhile to do so, more players will stick it out and fight through the low-quality matches.
Great idea. In addition, if this was applied dynamically throughout a match, it could solve a possible problem where the mu disparity applied at the end of the match does not reflect the average.
Might it somehow be applied for each scoring action at the time of the action? And to encourage mercs to stay...should there be a visual indication somewhere of the current multiplier?
That feels like it's overcomplicating things, but what if you're on the "stomp team" and enough stompees leave before the end for the *stomp* team to gain a multiplier? Or perhaps it should only apply to the losers?
Reign Omega wrote:Leaving a fight because of the opposition is like seeing a big booty and declining because you dont think you can handle it. Man up, go in there and perform as poorly as you are able!
fkin ay - turn this thought into an implant and give it out for free. |
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