DUST Search - What is your opinion on the 200m scan tool?

Juandeer Woman wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Juandeer Woman wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Juandeer Woman wrote:

Ducking returds... it is only OP if one side decides not to bring a gal logi to the party... anyone who doesn't have at least 1 person who can run Gal Logi in squad should be monkey stomped and have their brains mailed back to their mother.

Right. Entire matches should be permascanned for both sides. That's way more balanced than the 300HP Recon Scouts we kneecapped for being overpowered.

Then sacrifice damps for other crap... you dont want to be seen.. do something about. it. And it wasn't 300HP scouts that were the issue... it was 600EHP scouts with mobility and cloaking before scanners got redone.

Pigeonholed or permascanned. That isn't balance. Saying "if you don't like being scanned, run a dampened GalScout" is no different from 1.7 HAV Pilots saying "if you don't like being farmed, run AV fits".

PS: I don't play as much as I used to, but when I do I usually run a dampened, low-HP Scout; I also occasionally run a Logi gk.0.

#I dont like getting 1 shot by SCR.... so don't run caldari... is that what you mean by pigeon holed?

and it isn't like your whole team has to go damped... like I said... send 1 scout after their gal logi...

1 scout with a cloak and a scanner in the backfield can F up a gal logis day. I run it sometimes... I know.

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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 15:40:00 - [31] - Quote Another idea: Profile Dampeners reduce profile by X% and scan duration by Y%. There should be effective responses to GalLogi scans beyond the singular "Run a GalScout". In my opinion, Assault units should be able to shed some tank in exchange for the benefit of not being permanently painted at 21dB. Throw a couple complex damps on your Assault and reduce your scan duration from "permanently painted" to "temporary blip". Also, this: knight guard fury wrote: 200m is a bit much, reduce it to 150m and lessen the time of the clones scanned Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 185	Posted - 2015.06.12 16:18:00 - [32] - Quote I like them where they are at. Range should be 150m max thought out should only be able to carry 1. CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.12 16:27:00 - [33] - Quote LOL KILLZ wrote: I like them where they are at. Range should be 150m max thought out should only be able to carry 1. Or just have Falloff to where it's less effective the further out the Scan gets, as well as possibly have it where where you have to keep the scanner out to scan? Seriously guys, No one wants to easiest and most logical solution? There's a serious problem with the Active Scanner Mechanic itself, similar to the problem of Swarm Launchers. If the only way you guys think to fix things is by nerfing it then we are in trouble. Nerfing it won't do anything about the Scanners poorly thought out mechanics and just make it slightly less useful than before. The Band-Aid mentality of this game when brainstorming on fixing things has to stop. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 16:35:00 - [34] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: LOL KILLZ wrote: I like them where they are at. Range should be 150m max thought out should only be able to carry 1. Or just have Falloff to where it's less effective the further out the Scan gets, as well as possibly have it where where you have to keep the scanner out to scan? This would likely work as well. * Note: We should also push for a small WP reward for team-based recon assists. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Juandeer Woman Mexican Justice League 128	Posted - 2015.06.12 18:18:00 - [35] - Quote Ducking returds... it is only OP if one side decides not to bring a gal logi to the party... anyone who doesn't have at least 1 person who can run Gal Logi in squad should be monkey stomped and have their brains mailed back to their mother. Yes... I am PMSing.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 18:43:00 - [36] - Quote Juandeer Woman wrote: Ducking returds... it is only OP if one side decides not to bring a gal logi to the party... anyone who doesn't have at least 1 person who can run Gal Logi in squad should be monkey stomped and have their brains mailed back to their mother. Right. Entire matches should be permascanned for both sides. That's way more balanced than the 300HP Recon Scouts we kneecapped for being overpowered. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Juandeer Woman Mexican Justice League 129	Posted - 2015.06.12 18:51:00 - [37] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Juandeer Woman wrote: Ducking returds... it is only OP if one side decides not to bring a gal logi to the party... anyone who doesn't have at least 1 person who can run Gal Logi in squad should be monkey stomped and have their brains mailed back to their mother. Right. Entire matches should be permascanned for both sides. That's way more balanced than the 300HP Recon Scouts we kneecapped for being overpowered. Then sacrifice damps for other crap... you dont want to be seen.. do something about. it. And it wasn't 300HP scouts that were the issue... it was 600EHP scouts with mobility and cloaking before scanners got redone. Yes... I am PMSing.
Juandeer Woman Mexican Justice League 129	Posted - 2015.06.12 18:57:00 - [38] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Juandeer Woman wrote: Ducking returds... it is only OP if one side decides not to bring a gal logi to the party... anyone who doesn't have at least 1 person who can run Gal Logi in squad should be monkey stomped and have their brains mailed back to their mother. Right. Because the design goal was for entire teams to permascan one another for the duration of Ambush, Dom and Acq matches. That's way more balanced than the 300HP Recon Scouts we kneecapped due to their overpowered, squad-wide scans. Also... have the intuition to have a gal logi in your side start scanning to find theirs... usually an idiot in the back with a RR as we all know... Send a damped Gal Scout to go kill him... I bet after killing his ass 2 or 3 times... he will switch to something else. Counter moves.... learn to handle it by yourself instead of complaining cause you aren't good enough to figure out ways around it. Yes... I am PMSing.
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.12 18:59:00 - [39] - Quote I always get 'Scan Attempt Prevented' *"The humanoid cyclone stampede"* - Russel Mendoza All scouts, join the Scouts United chat.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 19:01:00 - [40] - Quote Juandeer Woman wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Juandeer Woman wrote: Ducking returds... it is only OP if one side decides not to bring a gal logi to the party... anyone who doesn't have at least 1 person who can run Gal Logi in squad should be monkey stomped and have their brains mailed back to their mother. Right. Entire matches should be permascanned for both sides. That's way more balanced than the 300HP Recon Scouts we kneecapped for being overpowered. Then sacrifice damps for other crap... you dont want to be seen.. do something about. it. And it wasn't 300HP scouts that were the issue... it was 600EHP scouts with mobility and cloaking before scanners got redone. Pigeonholed or permascanned. That isn't balance. Saying "if you don't like being scanned, run dampened GalScouts" is no different from 1.7 HAV Pilots saying "if you don't like being farmed, run AV fits". Risk and Reward are out-of-balance as it relates to scans; they provide a huge, team-wide tactical advantage at minimal effort. PS: I don't play as much as I used to, but when I do I usually run a dampened, low-HP Scout; I also occasionally run a Logi gk.0. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)

Juandeer Woman Mexican Justice League 130	Posted - 2015.06.12 19:05:00 - [41] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Juandeer Woman wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Juandeer Woman wrote: Ducking returds... it is only OP if one side decides not to bring a gal logi to the party... anyone who doesn't have at least 1 person who can run Gal Logi in squad should be monkey stomped and have their brains mailed back to their mother. Right. Entire matches should be permascanned for both sides. That's way more balanced than the 300HP Recon Scouts we kneecapped for being overpowered. Then sacrifice damps for other crap... you dont want to be seen.. do something about. it. And it wasn't 300HP scouts that were the issue... it was 600EHP scouts with mobility and cloaking before scanners got redone. Pigeonholed or permascanned. That isn't balance. Saying "if you don't like being scanned, run a dampened GalScout" is no different from 1.7 HAV Pilots saying "if you don't like being farmed, run AV fits". PS: I don't play as much as I used to, but when I do I usually run a dampened, low-HP Scout; I also occasionally run a Logi gk.0. #I dont like getting 1 shot by SCR.... so don't run caldari... is that what you mean by pigeon holed? and it isn't like your whole team has to go damped... like I said... send 1 scout after their gal logi... 1 scout with a cloak and a scanner in the backfield can F up a gal logis day. I run it sometimes... I know. Yes... I am PMSing.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 19:10:00 - [42] - Quote Juandeer Woman wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Juandeer Woman wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Juandeer Woman wrote: Ducking returds... it is only OP if one side decides not to bring a gal logi to the party... anyone who doesn't have at least 1 person who can run Gal Logi in squad should be monkey stomped and have their brains mailed back to their mother. Right. Entire matches should be permascanned for both sides. That's way more balanced than the 300HP Recon Scouts we kneecapped for being overpowered. Then sacrifice damps for other crap... you dont want to be seen.. do something about. it. And it wasn't 300HP scouts that were the issue... it was 600EHP scouts with mobility and cloaking before scanners got redone. Pigeonholed or permascanned. That isn't balance. Saying "if you don't like being scanned, run a dampened GalScout" is no different from 1.7 HAV Pilots saying "if you don't like being farmed, run AV fits". PS: I don't play as much as I used to, but when I do I usually run a dampened, low-HP Scout; I also occasionally run a Logi gk.0. #I dont like getting 1 shot by SCR.... so don't run caldari... is that what you mean by pigeon holed? and it isn't like your whole team has to go damped... like I said... send 1 scout after their gal logi... 1 scout with a cloak and a scanner in the backfield can F up a gal logis day. I run it sometimes... I know. "If you don't like it, run more AV." - 1.7 Pilots And if that GalLogi isn't an idiot? All he has to do is stick with the pack and your assassin is out-of-luck. You can make a suicide NK/SG run, but if he's running a precision enhancer and paying attention, your odds of taking him out before he can respond are less than good. I've killed dozens and dozens of Scouts with my GalLogi. You know what's funny? I doubt that I killed dozens of anything while running an "overpowered", post-charlie Recon Scout. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Juandeer Woman Mexican Justice League 130	Posted - 2015.06.12 19:14:00 - [43] - Quote Just because you luck out and draw the lower tier scouts... doesn't mean everyone does... Oh I wish I was still in the academy. Yes... I am PMSing.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.06.12 19:20:00 - [44] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Yokal Bob wrote: what want scouts to be perma invisble? the gal logi is supposed to be an anti scout role Have to call BS on that. Damps are the intended counter to Scans; not the other way around. Actually, he is right. The gallogi is the only suit that can catch dampened scouts, But in a way you are right as well. Any suit except heavies can damp up and get under most scanners. Honestly, the issue with ewar is the all or nothing approach that CCP did with it. All scanners should have a chance to scan all suits, but also a chance to fail. Right now, it is either you max damp your suit and never get scanned, or you don't damp, and get scanned all day. Until there is a different approach to ewar, both sides will claim the other side is OP. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 19:24:00 - [45] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Yokal Bob wrote: what want scouts to be perma invisble? the gal logi is supposed to be an anti scout role Have to call BS on that. Damps are the intended counter to Scans; not the other way around. Actually, he is right. The gallogi is the only suit that can catch dampened scouts, But in a way you are right as well. Any suit except heavies can damp up and get under most scanners. Honestly, the issue with ewar is the all or nothing approach that CCP did with it. All scanners should have a chance to scan all suits, but also a chance to fail. Right now, it is either you max damp your suit and never get scanned, or you don't damp, and get scanned all day. Until there is a different approach to ewar, both sides will claim the other side is OP. Any unit can catch a dampened Scout (even by accident) if that Scout gets close enough to use alpha weaponry. A Scout runs high risk of getting scanned every time he gets within shotgun or knife range. The dance that follows is broadcasted to squad TacNet; even he wins, he has still been scanned. With or without a GalLogi. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.06.12 19:28:00 - [46] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Yokal Bob wrote: what want scouts to be perma invisble? the gal logi is supposed to be an anti scout role Have to call BS on that. Damps are the intended counter to Scans; not the other way around. Actually, he is right. The gallogi is the only suit that can catch dampened scouts, But in a way you are right as well. Any suit except heavies can damp up and get under most scanners. Honestly, the issue with ewar is the all or nothing approach that CCP did with it. All scanners should have a chance to scan all suits, but also a chance to fail. Right now, it is either you max damp your suit and never get scanned, or you don't damp, and get scanned all day. Until there is a different approach to ewar, both sides will claim the other side is OP. Any unit can catch a dampened Scout (even by accident) if that Scout gets close enough to use alpha weaponry. A Scout runs high risk of getting scanned every time he gets within shotgun or knife range. The dance that follows is broadcasted to squad TacNet; even he wins, he has still been scanned. With or without a GalLogi. Say wut? Are you talking the innate suit precision? A max damp scout (besides the min I think) can go undetected all day, even a gallogi can't scan them. Scouts are IMO the easiest class to use right now (barring the minass.) If you can't do well in a gal or cal scout, you should probably find another game.. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 19:33:00 - [47] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Say wut? Are you talking the innate suit precision? 1 precision enhancer is all you need. I run at least one (sometimes two) on pretty much all of my Assault and Logi fits. High slot usage data suggests that this is far from uncommon. P14GU3 wrote: Scouts are IMO the easiest class to use right now (barring the minass.) Efficiency data begs to differ. If you could ring Rattati, I think it more probable than not he'd tell you that Scouts are underpowered. P14GU3 wrote: If you can't do well in a gal or cal scout, you should probably find another game.. I do fine with both, but it just so happens that I am in the market for another game at the moment. Suggestions? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.06.12 19:40:00 - [48] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Say wut? Are you talking the innate suit precision? 1 precision enhancer is all you need. I run at least one (sometimes two) on pretty much all of my Assault and Logi fits. High slot usage data suggests that this is far from uncommon. P14GU3 wrote: Scouts are IMO the easiest class to use right now (barring the minass.) Efficiency data begs to differ. If you could ring Rattati, I think it more probable than not he'd tell you that Scouts are underpowered. P14GU3 wrote: If you can't do well in a gal or cal scout, you should probably find another game.. I do fine with both, but it just so happens that I am in the market for another game at the moment. Suggestions? I run precision enhancers as well, but even with 2 you can't get enough to spot a 16db scout. From my experience, if I want to make isk, I switch out of logi/mando into my scout. I rarely die as a scout. I think the reason for the poor efficiency data, is the high amount of NK ninjas who want to run head on at an assault or heavy. As far as new games, I'm still waiting on the division.. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 19:52:00 - [49] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: I run precision enhancers as well, but even with 2 you can't get enough to spot a 16db scout. If my math's correct, 2 complex precision enhancers should set a MedFrame's inner ring to 13dB (unbeatable) and 1 sets it at 16dB (unbeatable by MN/CA Scout, GA needs 3 damps, AM needs 4). If you're running a single precision enhancer and you get knifed or shotgunned, the odds are your squad will see it go down on TacNet. P14GU3 wrote: I think the reason for the poor efficiency data, is the high amount of NK ninjas who want to run head on at an assault or heavy. Maybe so. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 20:05:00 - [50] - Quote I could stand to see it nyxxed if Gal Logi actually got team-wide WP intel assists. Gal Logi is probably one of the lower WP accrual Logi's and its really a bummer to always get the "you get the satisfaction that you're helping your team" argument whenever the other Logis get WP. Logistics aren't a dedicated combat role and the only way that you can justifiably tell they're even remotely helping the team is by WP accrual - so things like the Gal Logi, Dedicated (non-ADS) dropship pilots, and snipers? Usually on the lower end of the WP spectrum. We need to think outside of the box to give these roles more viability and better recognition for what they're actually doing on the field before we start nyxxing aspects of their roles because of initial hatred from being scanned. Yeah, you got scanned - it sucks - but that's part of the Gal Logi's role. In fact, that's literally all the Gal Logi's bonuses are geared toward, so being angry at them for doing what their role entails is like being angry at a Minmatar Commando for using Mass Drivers/Swarm Launchers. At any rate, here's my proposal on the scanners: 1) Quantum is fine. It is a good balance of cooldown/visibility duration. 2) Proximity is a little annoying to use - at that range/duration you're probably already being shot at. 3) Focused is harsh. The cooldown/duration/fitting cost makes it less than appealing for the ability to see some Scouts (not all). 4) Flux has a pretty high range, admittedly, but it could stand to have it's cooldown increased. Duration is fine, IMO, but it needs to be made into an 'opener' or 'forward intel' so the squad knows what they're about to get into for a brief moment. 5) Gal Logi -really- needs to have team-wide intel WP gains or to have its intel WP gains increased to be more in line with the rewards that the other Logi's get from their specific role bonused equipment. It is a little skewed. Alternatively, could just take away the cooldown entirely and make the Active Scanner only work when it is in hand and the trigger is held down. Then the Gal Logi retains a strong role bonus of active-EWAR but, like the Minmatar Logi, has to sacrifice it's combat capability entirely in order to receive it's powerful affects on the battlefield. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.12 20:09:00 - [51] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I could stand to see it nyxxed if Gal Logi actually got team-wide WP intel assists. Gal Logi is probably one of the lower WP accrual Logi's and its really a bummer to always get the "you get the satisfaction that you're helping your team" argument whenever the other Logis get WP. Absolutely agreed. The GalLogi is good at alot of things, but earning WP is not among its strongsuits. The gear of other Logis earns them WP from the team; the GalLogi should be no different. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 237	Posted - 2015.06.13 02:59:00 - [52] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Do you think the range is a bit much? I have some thoughts on this this, and the bonus on the gal logi. I just want some feed back before I put up my next idea. Nope, fine the way it is. While the range excels it's precision and reset time aren't the best. There's a reason there are multiple types of scanners. Not to mention anyone that fills a slot with a scanner certainly doesn't benefit much except for giving Intel for the win.
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.06.13 03:16:00 - [53] - Quote If anything it is slightly OP but not even enough it needs adjusting. It is unable to pick up even some assault suits if they are fitted for ewar and the scans disappear pretty rapidly while having a long recharge time. It is at best a supplemental scanner that is only good for evaluating enemy movements and lighting them up for orbital strikes.
Magewarlord KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 102	Posted - 2015.06.13 05:59:00 - [54] - Quote sorry, I knew I'd **** you guys off. anyway, I prefer my dual quantum scanners on Gal Logi so the enemy is permanently scanned the whole match. I get 100 m on those which is plenty.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 274	Posted - 2015.06.13 06:14:00 - [55] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Do you think the range is a bit much? I have some thoughts on this this, and the bonus on the gal logi. I just want some feed back before I put up my next idea. Nope, fine the way it is. While the range excels it's precision and reset time aren't the best. There's a reason there are multiple types of scanners. Not to mention anyone that fills a slot with a scanner certainly doesn't benefit much except for giving Intel for the win. you people defending your scanner crutch make me laugh. so knowing the enemies position and the direction they are facing isn't? not only that you also get to pick your battles... something people complained about with pre-nerf scouts, and about the (MinAss). they should receive the nerf hammer but give the gal logi intel kill assist for everyone on the team. cloning the enemy would give you 2250wps and that seems completely fair. Director / Slayer / Emperor
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.13 06:21:00 - [56] - Quote All Gucci wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: NINEinch WEAPON wrote: Do you think the range is a bit much? I have some thoughts on this this, and the bonus on the gal logi. I just want some feed back before I put up my next idea. Nope, fine the way it is. While the range excels it's precision and reset time aren't the best. There's a reason there are multiple types of scanners. Not to mention anyone that fills a slot with a scanner certainly doesn't benefit much except for giving Intel for the win. you people defending your scanner crutch make me laugh. so knowing the enemies position and the direction they are facing isn't? not only that you, also get to pick your battles... something people complained about with pre-nerf scouts, and about the (MinAss). they should receive the nerf hammer but give the gal logi intel kill assist for everyone on the team. cloning the enemy would give you 2250wps and that seems completely fair. If you think it is so easy, you're welcome to give it a shot. Be sure take a screenshot of your EoM screen and link it here. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)


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