Wait, you're suggesting that i stay still, visible to every doodad to see, defenseless while i wait 15 seconds for a ******* blueberry to spawn? that's rediculous. Unless we can spawn in capital class suits with it. AND other teammates can teleport to you, at no cost to them. While alive. You can't say "let's add something to the game then nerf it to ****" that's not how development works.

I'm not going to go into detail but thing main thing I like about spawning on a dedicated logi as opposed to a random location dotted around the map is that it encourages and fosters teamwork. (That's not to say that links are still not great to have along too)

Im gonna put bandwith numbers out for the current suits:

Scouts:
-STD= 6 MB
-ADV= 9 MB
-PRO= 12 MB

Assaults:
-STD= 8 MB
-ADV= 12 MB
-PRO= 16 MB

Logis (lowest bandwith numbers):
-STD= 16 MB
-ADV= 24 MB
-PRO= 32 MB

So with a bandwith required of 15MB the only suits that could use this would be Logis and proto assaults. A drop uplink for example requires 4MB each. With the current meta a proto scout can deploy 3 links, assault 4 and a logi can deploy 8 at a time. It would deffo come in handy in PC for people who play assault but dont want to bother with the deployment of proto links.

Overall this would be copy pasting spawning on squadmates like you can on battlefield. Im sure this is possible though it would suffer from the same issue mobile CRU's have and that is that you cannot select them when you havent bleed out yet.

Then copy and paste from normal uplink's halfway? Ever thought of that? Whatever make's the uplink's no successful can/should easily be a halfway copy and paste right?

Ok, so some things i'd like to suggest. The "Uplink Backpack" should work somewhat differently to what the current uplinks do. I agree with the claim that active unlimited spawns on any one player plus allowing them to extensively tank a fit would be rather OP. The fitting costs for this link SHOULD be high across tiers, all links at each tier should somewhat mimic those of the normal uplinks but should have a lower percentage of spawn time modifier at each tier (say, 5-10% lower) OR they could have the highest spawn time modifier percentage available at each tier. Also, I think it'd be best that this module would become an equipment module similar to the cloak that you could activate and deactivate at will. While active the link would boost the users profile to make him easier to spot and have a set maximum number of spawns per each active period and then require a cooldown period before reactivation, the spawns would still be infinite but would require the user to decide when to use this module rather than having it active the whole match. Not to mention that if spawns were unlimited 24/7 a well made squad could protect the user of this link and gain complete swarm control over an extended period completely negating the profile increase drawbacks (hell, they'd probably use the logi as bait and tackle all enemies foolish enough to attempt a move against the logi). This link should NOT limit your movement in the slightest, maybe a small mobility delay at the time of an allied spawn but that's it, the high fitting costs wouldn't make it impossible to fit it on other suits, but the logi bonus would make it easier to fit. The bandwith required to use this link should be set in a way that makes it more effective to use it on a logi, 14-16 BW seems okay to me. Though I don't like locking a class out of potential new content I can see the issues with a link moving at 10-11m sprint speed , however let's not forget that logi's also use nanohives, having such a high bw cost would mean that activating this module would likely destroy some of their deployable equipment for lower tiered logi's so that's something to consider. Also, about MCR+Ü's, you should all know that there're some places where vehicles can't/shouldn't get into. By limiting the number of spawns per active duration and requiring a cooldown after each spawn session is completed it means that this link won't be as reliable as an MCRU because there's no telling when the user will decide to pull the plug on the link while the MCRU would be a spawn inside a highly armored/shielded vehicle that is more than likely to survive long enough for you to spawn... though MCRU's would need to work first. Just my 2 ISK.

As some have suggested anyone spawning on a merc equipped with this link should always spawn behind him. Also, while active they should make a similar sound as the "hum" drop uplinks make, maybe a muffled version of it.

P.S. HAIL O GLORIOUS WALL OF TEXT!

TL;DR: As a penalty, while active make the users scan profile go slightly up and make them emit the "hum" of drop uplinks and make it an equipment that you activate and deactivate at will with a set number (say 5-10) of maximum spawns and once those spawns are up make the link require a cooldown/recharge period before it can be used again (similar to how the cloak works) to prevent exploitation of constant unlimited spawns. Also make it's stats similar to that of current drop uplinks with minor tweaks and give them a spawn time modifier that is either lower or higher than the current drop uplinks at each tier.

I think the most important thing I'm reading here is no one is opposed to the idea of spawning on infantry. Looks like the debate is fitting cost more than anything.

It seems that using uplik code would be the best bet. I did some testing and the logic behind where to spawn for uplinks seems pretty robust and likely going to be lest glitchy since you can't throw a merc under a crate. :)

I am in agreement with the general thoughts on the thread. The bw + fitting seem to be the points of conversation. I agree on the "spawn behind always" is a solid idea.

The only other point of conversation is whether it is permanently active like an uplink or something that has to be turned on/off a la a cloak. I think both ideas could be acceptable given we have the fitting costs/ISK costs etc. set to be comparable. Maybe have 2 seperate ones, 1 always on and 1 that has to be turned off/on, similar to regular and triage nanohives. There isn't really a need fir a "one or the other mentality."

Then, the one that is active, has to be like the RDV thing's are que'd when their being brought down, and given time to drop (spawn).

Might be a little excessive. I don't think the people playing are going to want to wait for the spawn and then sit and wait on the RDV to drop them down. Most likely they will get hung up in the air by their head and get slapped around until they get either get killed or someone comes up and shoots them while hanging from the RDV. It would be funny but I don't think the people spawning would appreciate it.

I am in agreement with the general thoughts on the thread. The bw + fitting seem to be the points of conversation. I agree on the "spawn behind always" is a solid idea.

The only other point of conversation is whether it is permanently active like an uplink or something that has to be turned on/off a la a cloak. I think both ideas could be acceptable given we have the fitting costs/ISK costs etc. set to be comparable. Maybe have 2 seperate ones, 1 always on and 1 that has to be turned off/on, similar to regular and triage nanohives. There isn't really a need fir a "one or the other mentality."

I think the main idea behind being able to turn the module on and off would be to manage bandwidth if needed.

But then what'd be the point of turning it off when you can just carry a MUP and a repair tool? Repair tool's don't use bandwith last time I checked.

Was hoping for awesome tale of Tash Murkon random Amarrlogi blueberry carrying failing teams to success with strategic deployment options in faction warfare. Oh well.

Mobile CRU fannypack? I kind of like our non-teammate spawning, when I play BF4 now its always disorienting to kill a dude then be shot at by one his squadmates spawning in on his corpse. But thats just me.

Still think it should be more like the cloak, cause then you won't have to constantly worry about your enemies spawning in against you, need's to be timed. Otherwise new FOTM, also because it would completely over shadow the use of normal Uplink's, because EVERYONE often carries hive's of their own, any squad with enough common sense is gonna have someone with link's and someone else with hive's, or just carry their own basic hive. Anything to keep themselves or the squad sustained.

Let's not turn this into a "This is what's right, your wrong" kind of thread because that's where this is heading right now.

The idea of this lighting up your scan profile seems to me it would benefit the person using it off/on becsuse it can be killed to hide. Risk/reward plays in. Do you run the perma that, once on, puts a beacon on our ass but gives a greater chance for WP or run the manual one that give s you less of a chance for WP but more security and hiding ability?

That is a question I would lve to have an opportunity to answer.

And a huge no to a noise. Please no.
Less for giving my position and more for my headache lol.

So far so good. Couple things though.

Needs to be to logi, what cloak is to scout. Usable(ish) by other roles but at great cost. (Sacrifice)
Perhaps a slight fitting bonus for logi if the equipment fitting bonus isn't enough.

Extreme bandwidth cost that can't be negated. Sprinkle or wear. Suits without enough can use but nothing else, suits with enough can try to sprinkle a little. Don't forget, there's four popular equipment that cost no bandwidth.
A walking uplink with scans needles and reps is powerful enough.

Following that line of reason, always on.

The mcru timing is nice, if that could be debugged. If not I have no suggestions there.
Just really don't want to fight a 1v1 that suddenly becomes 1v8.

Profile increase I like, but not extreme ranges. And a huge no to a noise. Please no.
Less for giving my position and more for my headache lol.


As a neat suggestion, there could be an augment equipment that a logi could sac another equip slot for spawn modifiers. Skilling crupack gives the related augment tier, or just another tree for sp sink, either one.

Mods could include; reduced profile, faster spawns, fitting reduction ( as the mods would cost little to no pg cpu ) more spawns at once, etc.

Loving it, lets not let this one fade guys.

0 Bw to let other classes use it.
Logis get a fitting bonus,amarr logi bonus applies.

Consumes 1 equipment slot.

Just like the cloak you must keep the activator out for it to work.
Switching to a weapon disables it.

You can move,it doesn't effect your signature.

Capacitor based.

4 spawns at basic.
7 at ADV.
10 at Pro.
Giving preference to squad mates.

Then the capacitor must refill.

Same cost as equivalent tier uplink.


So,dedicated large spawn counts.
Or small mobile spawn counts.