The rifles the way they are I like the AR much more than I did in the past to and am proto gal ass/AR. While I don't feel the AR is weak It isn't viable in all situations like the RR or ARR so I will be respecing RR soon. I will miss the AR and more so the ion pistol, but I am trying to min max my skill points and the AR alone just won't work.

I currently have adv cal ass/ARR and use it more often then I use my gal suit.

PS: the thought of faster reload for my bolt pistol sounds amazing.

... that way all the race's have something deadly attached to their suit's.

So much this.

My thing is, after watching some youtube and seeing how long the laser can burn on a pro amarr. I maxed the suit, and all the light weaponry.
(I had indeed tried the LR on my calass and was fully unimpressed.)

Night and day.

Upon level V in both suit and laser, it evolved into a sizzling lance of doom.
Hmm...

Had two toons with about 5m each to spare, so up went Gal and Min as well as the signature weapon.

I was thoroughly unimpressed with Gal bonus. (But the AR still wrecks so at V galass the suit made the man)
((and yes my AR has been maxed since beta))

The minmatar however... The low damage is negated completely by the insane amount of ballistics you can toss at their gel.
This paired with the extreme wiggly-ness of the suit.

Night and day.


So I mix it up and skill CR out on Dev and slap it on a calscout. (thanks ccp for that background btw xD)
And what do you know? (see night and day)


A lil off track on that last one, but still.

Skilling the other races makes you more godlike with signature weaponry, skilling cal just means less unallocated.
I loved my reload bonus till I tasted the forbidden fruit.

TL;DR - Changing the rifle means cake for everyone, changing calass bonus means we might actually be scary.
I think this should be suggested as potential bonus replacement.

I think you guys are starting to hit the nail on the head... focus on the suits more than the weapons.

In all honesty, I think you should get a moderate baseline perk / bonus for your racial weapon so it is always incentivized to run racially harmonized gear. Then you increase or adjust the bonus according to suit role.

Example:
Caldari Light, Medium (Assault & Logi), and Commando suits all get a per level racial decrease to charge time of hybrid-rail weapons.
- Scout and Logi suits get no further perks for hybrid rail weapons.
- Cal Assaults get the spool time decrease AND per level decrease to Recoil and reload.
- Cal Commando gets the spool time and Damage bonus.

*note: I'm not necessarily advocating those should be the exact assault and commando bonus for Caldari...just using this as a concept example*


Before anyone's head explodes at scouts and logi's getting weapon bonuses my premise is that racially synch'd fits should be emphasized to some degree across all racial applications and not purely for the assault class.

I use a sentinel suit & i mostly get killed by Rail Rifles, if RR users can kill me in my APEX Amarr Sentinel Suit then their's nothing wrong with the gun, it can take chunks of my Armour off my suit from 1124hp in 5secs to 0, it puts the Minmatar Combat Rifle to shame...

Except that apex suit's in general are free prefitted suit's, that, in some case's, can only fit basic gear and maybe a few enhanced/proto modules, never seen an blueprint proto suit with a advanced or proto weapon, not without having low EHP first, in other word's their obsolete for any counter balance's that you might try to be hinting toward's.

Secondly, 5 second's? Either you were standing still like a sheep being caught by the wolf and letting your opponent's get free head shot's off you, or you got ganked HARD by multiple enemies and someone with an RR doing the finishing touch's, no RR is gonna effectively take out all opponent's unless your;

A. Caught out in the open with no cover.

B. Getting super ganked by 3-4 people.

Or my favorite C. Someone (more than likely me) opened up with a couple of core locus grenade's before unloading into your sorry gold and green backside (inb4 creepy troll face on a cal suit and a heavy in tear's, with the cal suit directly behind the heavy and the heavy on all four's).

And the combat rifle does far more damage to armor than the RR does, once a CR get's through shield, it's like a heated knife going through "I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT BUTTER!", seriously dude CR does crazy damage to heavies, as they are a close quarters weapon and as such are extremely effective (I dare say MORE effective than the AR). If you aren't getting 1 clipped or 3-4 bursted, your probably outside it's decent range.

(If you haven't watched Rabtoon's, just imagine the heavy suit being the hunter in this situation while you re-reading C, if you do that is).

TL;DR
But seriously have you even get hit by a RR at range? They're bloody annoying, I always try to move cover to cover just so i can get close to kill them with my HMG, its like trying to dodge artillery barrages, but since I'm a Fat Amarr i'm slow as f*ck & that ain't helping things, sometimes in certain situations i'll be focused on suppressing a group of people until i get shot from the side by a RR user & (my eHP is full btw), then i retreat to cover but unfortunately i was killed, sometimes i switch back & fourth from Sentinel to Commando in different situations, for example Commando Mid - Long Ranges & Sentinel for Close - Mid Ranges.

& for my alt character which is a Caldari, I've tried the RR & to me it's a good balanced gun, the Kick is purposely their but manageable once used everytime, its like a Rapid Sniper Rifle i can sit in Redline or camp on top of a building if i wanted (depending on the map) & kill people at range with the RR because its that good & people complain about the ScR for being OP, not like i'm saying RR is but its extremely effective at range, but understandable lore wise to try to keep the Gallente at bay & no where closer to them as they're CQC Brawlers & Caldari are ineffective at CQC...

Ive tried the Combat Rifle on my Minmatar alt character & when facing armoured opponents it's ineffective at times even in CQC, i could kill someone allot faster with a Assault Rifle in CQC than a Combat Rifle, & at range the RoF gives like an illusion that you're killing someone effectively but when really it isn't.

Okay so let me start off with, why not sit around a corner like someone with ACTUAL COMMON SENSE?! And yes I understand you got killed, but was it around the corner? alongside allies like you SHOULD have been, instead of trying to be GOD and bringing down MEOW MEOW like Thor?! Also by no mean's is it really a rapid sniper rifle, it's like a freakin breach AR just longer range and more ammo.

Sit in the redline?! ARE YOU %#&^ING KIDDING ME?! Oh my god, are you a scrub? If your not in the front line with any close-medium range rifle then your being completely useless, (SCR sure it's OP but it's no mean's a reason to sit in the redline and cower like courage the cowardly dog!). Lore doesn't matter if the game balance's are zero to negative thirty, if someone doesn't have that chance to fire back (unless it's a stealthy ambush, in which case it's allowed) then there's no point to play as that particular race, or play with that particular suit.

In example: If the Krogan didn't have their melee bonus', alot more player's wouldn't bother with them in the first place, they'd all be N7 classes or Asari, or for me, always Turian.

The AR has -10 S and 10 A, CR is -15 S and 15 A, AR has 15 S+ with prof, and CR has 15 A+ prof, CR's gonna do plenty more damage to armor than it does to shield, seriously, your not using it like the other player's do.

Furthermore, do you see min's complaining about their bonus, or the Amarr? Only Gallente and Caldari are complaining about their bonus' (well caldari more so than gallente). Each race need's something that ACTUALLY improve's their capabilities with their racial weapon's and not just for 1 particular suit. New, and replaced suit bonus' are the way to go, we're no longer thinking to change it's base stat's for every suit, just using the suit to increase the weapon's capabilities.

LoL you're taking this way to seriously as if to think I did some of the stuff, when I just gave examples like the Redline with the RR. Plus you took some of my words out of context like:

"And yes I understand you got killed, but was it around the corner? alongside allies like you SHOULD have been, instead of trying to be GOD and bringing down MEOW MEOW like Thor?!"

Are you suggesting that because I was a Sentinel I thought to myself "Oh I'm unstoppable"? no I didn't. All I said was "but since I'm a Fat Amarr i'm slow as f*ck & that ain't helping things, sometimes in certain situation i'll be focused on suppressing a group of people until i get shot from the side by a RR user & (my eHP is full btw), then i retreat to cover but unfortunately i was killed"

Oh btw what i stated was an open field battle not in any urban area so there was barely any cover except mountains or bumps in the terrain if you can get there quick which i didnt manage to, oh and getting shot from the side isn't "around the corner" if it was I would've put that in because "descriptive writing" plus most of what you said is just going out of subject and meddling on what annoys you rather than clarifying my points which you decided to use insults instead, very professional.

Plus "Lore doesn't matter"? You do realise that the lore makes each faction unique to what they are & proficient at, but to you oh "doesn't matter", by that logic Gallente aren't CQC Brawlers, Amarr aren't Armor Tanks, Caldari aren't Shield Tanks, Minmatar aren't a guerrila group using guerrilla tactics against it's oppressors & their skills have nothing to do with their factions background.

Anyway, like I stated the RR is okay as it is, it doesn't need a buff or nerf otherwise it would add more complaint & complications that this game already suffers "if it ain't broken, don't fix it"...

"Okay so let me start off with, why not sit around a corner like someone with ACTUAL COMMON SENSE?!" Oh "Common Sense" ehh, like you sure have it...

You're right.... On my professionalism-But Amarr and Min's still get their useful bonus' and ONCE MORE we're not talking about changing the base stat's, we're talking about bonus' for the suit that can aid the weapon, unless you think we should change (and this is derailing the thread a bit) the bonus' on the Amarr and Min's for thing's less useful, like changing amarr to have 5%+ hipfire and min's 5% reload speed, we're through talking about changing it's base stat's and now pinning the tail on the donkey by trying to think up an improved version of a useful bonus similar to the minmatar and amarr.

Stop glossing over it and saying it's OP or borderline a general good weapon, we know this, this isn't about ALL the suit's using the RR just the caldari suit's uniqueness to the usage of the weapon, just the amarr get's less heat with their weapon's and the minmatar get more ammo with their weapon's and the gallente, more accuracy, and cal's get reload speed? How does that seem right to you? Now with this, I'm done arguing with you, cause otherwise we'll get no where.

Except that you can glitch reload the weapon just by running at a specific point, negating the usefulness of the reload speed, the reload speed can be used for ALL gun's, so unless there's a phantom fix for that, the reload speed is worthless.

You never said what you want to change the Caldari Bonus to, after all this complain you've been going on towards me you keep jumping the boat on the subjects here, i gave you examples but you just carried on meddling from one thing to another, do you want to change the Rifle or the Suit bonuses?

It's not a hard question, considering you're the only one mostly complaining about this problem & how are the developers suppose to take feedback on this kind of situation when you keep jumping to different subjects?

I've been making suggestion's to help the RR and giving idea's, nothing finalized, if you've actually read my comment's, yes I jump from one thing to another, but has it ever been anything other than suggestion's and idea's for the RR? (Not excusing the other insight's)

However with the way this current thread is going, we all seem to be leaning toward's actual suit bonus' to improve all the weapon's, and Jaysyn Larrisen made a very interesting feedback that I myself am actually hoping that, that, becomes a thing. Furthermore along the road we did start talking more about the suit's improving the weapon's, instead of a flat buff to the weapon itself, which only a select few seem to be thinking this way (Yes in the earlier post I suggested increase rate of fire but my opinion changed). Are you done knit picking at 1 man? Cause at some point you just start to become a troll...

A troll? Haha yeah I'm a Troll great insight *sarcasm*
Plus i'm not the one knit-picking here, you're the one knit-picking everything that's wrong with the Caldari, which to me i don't see any problems other than the Shields needs help to make them viable against their armour counterparts (Gallente)...

Guys it's nit picking. Nothing to do with knitting.

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Lol sorry, nit picking, got it, thanks for the spelling check (no sarcasm, for once, someone is actually sincere in saying this). Yeah so we're clearly on suit bonus to "help" the rail rifle, it'd be appreciative if the CPM and DEV could give us a "TM. Soon", that'd be great!

RRs are pretty good. Exceptional range, damage bonus to armor which is where the majority of the HP in this game is tied up, and do about the same DPS as other rifles. /thread

Did I mention that I'm totes down for reduced recoil in ADS?

I'm down for reduced recoil in ADS.