DUST Search - What If DUST Had a Subscription Option?

Seurimas Otg wrote:

I would love to see a good, friendly subscription model in DUST. A MUD I played for a while picked up a side-subscription model, on top of microtransactions, that I felt worked very well and could work very well here.

So, the basic is idea is to just load on a bunch of ala carte bonuses for subscription, a bonus to microtransactions, and a bit of currency to boot.

For example, the $15 Dust subscription could look like:

* 25% bonus to passive SP gain (increases by 2% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 35%)
* 15% bonus to active SP gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 20%)
* 10% bonus to ISK gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 15%)
* 10% bonus to LP gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 15%)
* 15% more Aurum when purchased (increases by 4% each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 35%)
* 10 hacked decryptor keys (a month)
* 20,000 Aurum (a month) (slightly than if you just spent the $15 on Aurum)

That's just an example, and maybe not perfectly suited to DUST, but I'd buy the crap out of it!

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Arcadiia Kain The Naughty Ninjas 98	Posted - 2015.05.31 08:51:00 - [31] - Quote I always said I would pay $15/mo if dust had a "premium" option. "Always on" passive and active booster, 10-15k aurum, with sales and special. Would I pay it now? No. During the last 2 months, I have played way to many boring, empty matches. Before, empty matches didnt happen. Now it's 75% of the matches I play. It's got to the point that I dread logging in to grind my dailies. The Naughty Ninjas CEO Minmatar scout/assault
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 9	Posted - 2015.05.31 10:25:00 - [32] - Quote the topic discussed is KEEPING the free-to-play setup of the game and offering an OPTIONAL (not required) 15 dollar/month sub that might have such benefits as: - one active and one passive booster active so long as the sub is paid - 50% discount on cosmetic items such as SKINs - An Aurum allotment of X amount per paid month - X number of keys per month things like that. Players who opt NOT to utilize this feature... Have the same options they have now. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Ghural WarRavens 399	Posted - 2015.05.31 12:36:00 - [33] - Quote No. There is simply not enough content to justify a 15 buck a month subscription.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.31 12:45:00 - [34] - Quote Ghural wrote: No. There is simply not enough content to justify a 15 buck a month subscription. This isn't a precise enough answer. Obviously you would not be interested in a Dust subscription, but are you opposed to the entire concept for everyone? After all, this is an option so you personally could stay F2P. @Ripley_Riley "I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.05.31 13:10:00 - [35] - Quote Been proposed before. Was met with all sorts of tin-foil and rampant negativity. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 160	Posted - 2015.05.31 13:13:00 - [36] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Been proposed before. Was met with all sorts of tin-foil and rampant negativity. I figured it had been proposed before. Thanks for that link Rather helpful. I'd like to keep this tin-foil free, however, for obvious reason. I'm curious as to what your thoughts are, Aeon. I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 160	Posted - 2015.05.31 13:19:00 - [37] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Actually the SKIN idea is pretty legit too since it has little benefit in actual gameplay but is also a nice benefit for people who are willing to pay for it. Yeah. I would be totally fine if they offered special subscriber SKINs, or whatever, but I know that some people aren't too keen on that. But you're spot on, Pokey. It doesn't give any benefit in-game, so it's not pay-to-win, which is always a plus. I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 160	Posted - 2015.05.31 13:23:00 - [38] - Quote Ghural wrote: No. There is simply not enough content to justify a 15 buck a month subscription. C'mon give me something more to work with. You can't just say 'no'. Let me ask you some questions to get you talking; If DUST had an optional subscription model, would you be opposed to it for the community as a whole? The game would still maintain a free-to-play model, but if you wanted to throw $10 or $15 at CCP, you could. If such a model were implemented, what incentives do you think DUST should have for subscribers? Speak, yo. Gimee more than just 'no'. I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 160	Posted - 2015.05.31 13:25:00 - [39] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: the topic discussed is KEEPING the free-to-play setup of the game and offering an OPTIONAL (not required) 15 dollar/month sub that might have such benefits as: - one active and one passive booster active so long as the sub is paid - 50% discount on cosmetic items such as SKINs - An Aurum allotment of X amount per paid month - X number of keys per month things like that. Players who opt NOT to utilize this feature... Have the same options they have now. Correct. Breakin, I'm curious to hear what your thoughts are this whole matter. Care to share? I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 160	Posted - 2015.05.31 13:26:00 - [40] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: No need for a subscription as the game has become very limited to the majority of the playerbase. Boosters? and put the SP where? Skins? a novelty thats as good as putting a chicken on my head. AUR? meh, still novelty at this point. To make a sub worthwhile, an total server reset would have to be done in terms of SP, ISK, inventory and PC etc. There would have to be more things for us to skill into. In my opinion it would only be worthwhile doing for the PS4. Or the PC ;) I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed

Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.05.31 14:35:00 - [41] - Quote on a other note on PS4 you have to subscribe to PS+ and i would certainly not pay double subscription just to play online on the PS4 and then a sub for Dust. Double fee= epic fail. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.31 14:48:00 - [42] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: on a other note on PS4 you have to subscribe to PS+ and i would certainly not pay double subscription just to play online on the PS4 and then a sub for Dust. Double fee= epic fail. Non issue since the Dust 514 sub is optional. @Ripley_Riley "I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.05.31 16:07:00 - [43] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Aiwha Bait wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: I wouldn't pay to play for such a game. The only reason I played eve was because of lore and it was 10yrs of balancing that already happened. Fair enough. What if the major kinks were worked out? If racial parity was achieved along with ever developing lore then yes. Interesting. Anything else? Speeders, as a guy who loves his motorcycles this would cause me to be the most useless player in battle :D "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.05.31 16:42:00 - [44] - Quote Idk the math but runescape started at like $5 a month, we could do the same and as they increase the price the players who payed $5 stay at 5 instead of increasing too. The most I could see this game would be $10/month...of course I wouldn't pay anything till we get it on next gen Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.05.31 17:36:00 - [45] - Quote Sorry but CCP has not inspired the confidence in Dust that would merit a monthly subscription or grinding to pay for it each month with in game money. Why? Bugs that just never get fixed. Admittedly shrunken team of developers. CCP already called it a "bad game" and tried to abandon it once. No racial parity meaning the game is technically still not even complete. End game content that is just a bad design. I will admit that Ratatti seems to be SERIOUSLY improving PC but the concept is still flawed. No one wants to look at a game like a job, having to log on for special scheduled battles that are no different than other modes is just meh. It took CCP almost 10 years to even get Eve close to being considered really good. They obviously have management styles which are not conducive to developing and supporting new things. Take a look at WoD.
bathtubist Destinys Immortals Rise Of Legion. 124	Posted - 2015.05.31 19:48:00 - [46] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: I would not care. So long as the free-to-play model with subscription does not emulate, say, Runescape, where important gameplay-things are locked behind subscription fees, then have at it. Discounts, exclusive skins, or other subscription incentives would be fine by me. So long as they remain outside the realm of important gameplay functions. However, I doubt CCP could make subscription appealing enough under those circumstances. I agree with this having a monthly subscription with discounts and such would be a better thing to do than to give a meta 10 gun or some op **** "Remote Explosives throwing distance has been reduced" - CCp Rattati Re''s have been nerfed We always see you
Seurimas Otg TRAILS AND TRIBULATIONS No Context 11	Posted - 2015.05.31 23:19:00 - [47] - Quote I would love to see a good, friendly subscription model in DUST. A MUD I played for a while picked up a side-subscription model, on top of microtransactions, that I felt worked very well and could work very well here. So, the basic is idea is to just load on a bunch of ala carte bonuses for subscription, a bonus to microtransactions, and a bit of currency to boot. For example, the $15 Dust subscription could look like: * 25% bonus to passive SP gain (increases by 2% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 35%) * 15% bonus to active SP gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 20%) * 10% bonus to ISK gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 15%) * 10% bonus to LP gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 15%) * 15% more Aurum when purchased (increases by 4% each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 35%) * 10 hacked decryptor keys (a month) * 20,000 Aurum (a month) (slightly than if you just spent the $15 on Aurum) That's just an example, and maybe not perfectly suited to DUST, but I'd buy the crap out of it!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.06.01 00:38:00 - [48] - Quote Seurimas Otg wrote: I would love to see a good, friendly subscription model in DUST. A MUD I played for a while picked up a side-subscription model, on top of microtransactions, that I felt worked very well and could work very well here. So, the basic is idea is to just load on a bunch of ala carte bonuses for subscription, a bonus to microtransactions, and a bit of currency to boot. For example, the $15 Dust subscription could look like: * 25% bonus to passive SP gain (increases by 2% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 35%) * 15% bonus to active SP gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 20%) * 10% bonus to ISK gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 15%) * 10% bonus to LP gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 15%) * 15% more Aurum when purchased (increases by 4% each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 35%) * 10 hacked decryptor keys (a month) * 20,000 Aurum (a month) (slightly than if you just spent the $15 on Aurum) That's just an example, and maybe not perfectly suited to DUST, but I'd buy the crap out of it! 11/10, would purchase sub in year increments. @Ripley_Riley "I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.06.01 00:40:00 - [49] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I think DUST would have been better if it had never been F2P in the first place. It would have become something most of us would be willing to pay for. The incompetence of the old Dev team was the down fall of the game not the players. The old dev cut corners. Remember when a dev suggested bomber dropships? That would be because they couldn't afford to get a legit bomber modeled. Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.06.01 00:46:00 - [50] - Quote Why would I pay if there were a F2P option? Actually, before that, why would I pay MONTHLY for a game that can barely run properly, if at all? At least give us 50fps to even BEGIN to consider it lol

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.06.01 01:01:00 - [51] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Why would I pay if there were a F2P option? Actually, before that, why would I pay MONTHLY for a game that can barely run properly, if at all? At least give us 50fps to even BEGIN to consider it lol You need CCP to make Dust "run properly" at 50 FPS. CCP needs Dust to remain profitable. Keeping Dust profitable allows CCP to continue developing Dust and port it when possible. MAN I WISH THERE WAS SOME WAY TO HELP BOTH PARTIES GET WHAT THEY NEED HERE. HMMMMM. GEE WILLIKERS. THIS ONE IS A REAL HEAD SCRATCHER. @Ripley_Riley "I NEED NO PILLS I'M A FUCKING GOAT!" - Cat Merc
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 168	Posted - 2015.06.03 04:35:00 - [52] - Quote Seurimas Otg wrote: I would love to see a good, friendly subscription model in DUST. A MUD I played for a while picked up a side-subscription model, on top of microtransactions, that I felt worked very well and could work very well here. So, the basic is idea is to just load on a bunch of ala carte bonuses for subscription, a bonus to microtransactions, and a bit of currency to boot. For example, the $15 Dust subscription could look like: * 25% bonus to passive SP gain (increases by 2% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 35%) * 15% bonus to active SP gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 20%) * 10% bonus to ISK gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 15%) * 10% bonus to LP gain (increases by 1% for each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 15%) * 15% more Aurum when purchased (increases by 4% each month you keep your subscription active, to a max of 35%) * 10 hacked decryptor keys (a month) * 20,000 Aurum (a month) (slightly than if you just spent the $15 on Aurum) That's just an example, and maybe not perfectly suited to DUST, but I'd buy the crap out of it! Yep, yep! So much this! Hope CCP Rattati is taking notes winks I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
BAD FURRY Oh No You Didn't 898	Posted - 2015.06.03 04:40:00 - [53] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: Props to Leither and Ripley Riley for this I know this has probably been discussed here, but GD, give me you knee jerk reactions when you hear, "What if DUST 514 offered players to pay for a subscription, but also allowed them to continue to play for free if they choose to?" Give me your knee jerk reaction, pros, cons, benefits of having a sub, and discuss! Potential sub price? Same as EVE Online & Planetside 2 @ $15 USD a month? Discuss! :D how bout ! We order Eve online and get some Dust 514 with a side of fries for free with it ! pay for eve online and you get dust 514 for free trust me with this the Forums would be a better place ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
DiGreatDestroyer Grupo de Asalto Chacal Rise Of Legion. 74	Posted - 2015.06.13 14:16:00 - [54] - Quote I think Dust 514 would benefit from having an optional subscription. This subscription should inlcude free ISK, AUR and boosters because, at least to me, just skins and cometics are not worth it. You (Aiwha) said in the biommased blog that this (boosters included in the subscription) would make this game a Pay to win. Since you can alredy acquire boosters by paying now, this is a non issue to me at least. Some people have said that locking content behind a paid-wall would be bad. I agree, but i think its also unrealistic for dust. I mean, we barely get new content, locking it for just a part of the community is not an option to me. Aiwha Bait wrote: But then with things like, "exclusive skins, or other subscription incentives" do you think it becomes "classist", to use Leither's words? "You're either a member of the paying class or not. Here's a badge recognizing you as a full citizen of Rome who can vote." How do you think other players mayr espond to this? This is again a non-issue to me, but an idea just crossed my mind. What if the people who paid for the susbscription where the only ones allowed to vote for the CPM? I dont actually support the idea, but you saying "Full citizen of Rome" made it cross my mind. Food for thougth. If CCP are thinking about porting the game to PS4/ PC (something vital to keep it alive IMO) then the discussion about the changes that are to be made to how the game is monetized is very relevant at this point in time, i hope this leads to a healthy discussion that helps CCP get some insight on the community-¦s thoughts on the subject. What must, will occur today, but there will always be a tomorrow Lo que deba, pasara hoy, pero siempre habra un mañana
Magnus Belmont Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2015.06.13 14:21:00 - [55] - Quote No one would pay a subscription to play Dust firstly. Secondly, what would be the point of having a subscription OR being able to play for free if you wanted still? If you want to give money to Dust, go buy Aurum, that's what it;s there for.
Yokal Bob Dead Man's Game 965	Posted - 2015.06.13 14:34:00 - [56] - Quote IF the old version of Dust was released and all the players that left the game came back, I would pay a subcription, equally, if Dust went to the PS4 I might consider paying a subcription Vote Dust for PS4
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.06.13 14:42:00 - [57] - Quote Magnus Belmont wrote: No one would pay a subscription to play Dust firstly. Secondly, what would be the point of having a subscription OR being able to play for free if you wanted still? If you want to give money to Dust, go buy Aurum, that's what it's there for. A sub option in other F2P MMORPGs gives a bundle of features for one flat monthly rate. That's part of the appeal; you can always count on getting X bonuses for $15 a month. I believe the author acknowledges that Dust 514 shouldn't be a subscription game, but instead a F2P game with a subscription option. For a good example of how a sub option can be implemented look at Planetside 2. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Tech Ohm Eaven Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.13 15:13:00 - [58] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: Props to Leither and Ripley Riley for this I know this has probably been discussed here, but GD, give me you knee jerk reactions when you hear, "What if DUST 514 offered players to pay for a subscription, but also allowed them to continue to play for free if they choose to?" Give me your knee jerk reaction, pros, cons, benefits of having a sub, and discuss! Potential sub price? Same as EVE Online & Planetside 2 @ $15 USD a month? Discuss! :D no not if ccp is in charge
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1	Posted - 2015.06.13 15:32:00 - [59] - Quote As it is now? I'd play for free. It's not worth spending a consistent amount of money each month or paying a collective fee for several months or a year. Micro-transactions are a different story, for anybody looking to argue against my logic, in the sense that you're paying for a small thing, hence the micro, rather than the whole game. If the game was fleshed out? Yes. Hell yes. I'm one of the few players that have continued to try to look at a silver lining in the space clouds. I try to be optimistic because Dust 514 can still offer something that no other game is or seems to be doing. They can capitalize on that as a company and bring to us a beautiful world as developers. Personally, I'd want: 1. A more robust vehicle system than what we got now. The other racial vehicles with proper weaponry and proper anti-vehicular warfare. 2. A larger area for PC. More players means more corps which means we need more space or else we will have to deal with a lot, and I do mean a lot of senseless in-fighting. It's all dandy until players catch on that there simply isn't enough room in Molden Heath. 3. A better PC in general. Multiple ways of interaction (raiding, conquest, preemptive strikes, recon, etc) and multiple resources as promised in the roadmap. 4. All the heavy Anti-Infantry weapons being in the game. 5. PVE 6. Better Factional Warfare 7. Another game mode (I know we just got one but I really do feel like ONE more that isn't just a rehash of Skirmish/Domination would do nicely). 8. Another means to be competitive (i.e. Arena, Old Corp Battles) 9. GIVING DUST PLAYERS THE ABILITY TO OWN SHARES IN THEIR OWN CORPORATIONS. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 239	Posted - 2015.06.13 16:41:00 - [60] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: Props to Leither and Ripley Riley for this I know this has probably been discussed here, but GD, give me you knee jerk reactions when you hear, "What if DUST 514 offered players to pay for a subscription, but also allowed them to continue to play for free if they choose to?" Give me your knee jerk reaction, pros, cons, benefits of having a sub, and discuss! Potential sub price? Same as EVE Online & Planetside 2 @ $15 USD a month? Discuss! :D Don't you mean.........donations? I'd buy aurum instead!! =ƒÿÇ



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