DUST Search - Assault speed nurf

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

That must be a crazy-tanked assault.

It's a highly logical nerf meant to normalize the ratio of speed to eHP on all dropsuits.
I believe they'll have the same sprint speed, however.

There are problems with that though.

1. Logistics can be seen as the guys that move faster and have equipment. They are super support. Scouts are the guys that are really fast and have Cloak. Heavies are the big fat guys with devastating weapons, either Heavy or increased damage. Assaults are the guys that have slightly more HP than the Logistics and are slower. At least before, you could argue "well, Assaults are efficient; they are faster than most other suits and have a higher HP than their speed should indicate." Now speed is normalized. So what does the Assault have?

2. If HP is supposed to indicate speed, what happens to the Caldari with their Shields? They have less HP and are still slower. The argument before was "flank, hide, attack at range" (which means "play better to overcome your inherent weakness"). If they are to be even slower, it is just a kick in the face. Every Assault is getting hit in head but Caldari are the weakest ones to begin with.

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MrCriminal High Power Art.of.Death 24	Posted - 2015.05.29 19:44:00 - [1] - Quote Really CCP that means my fucking Amarr assault will probably be as slow as my ak.0 sentinel. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! El Diablo 666*
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 7	Posted - 2015.05.29 19:47:00 - [2] - Quote That must be a crazy-tanked assault. It's a highly logical nerf meant to normalize the ratio of speed to eHP on all dropsuits. I believe they'll have the same sprint speed, however. Aloha snackbar
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 840	Posted - 2015.05.29 19:53:00 - [3] - Quote Ironically, all of my Ferroscale fits will be slaughtered when I lose base movement speed. I'll have to switch back to brick tanking. CCP Rattati > Humble pie is the worst late night snack. >
MrCriminal High Power Art.of.Death 24	Posted - 2015.05.29 19:57:00 - [4] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Ironically, all of my Ferroscale fits will be slaughtered when I lose base movement speed. I'll have to switch back to brick tanking. Same (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! El Diablo 666
golpe 4 Eternal Beings 28	Posted - 2015.05.29 20:03:00 - [5] - Quote caldari is gonna suck even worse now im just a scrub here, to u know, do things helpful like ummm commenting,complaining,and giving terrible advice thats it
MrCriminal High Power Art.of.Death 24	Posted - 2015.05.29 20:05:00 - [6] - Quote Glad minamturds will be slower though, Cals will always be squishy (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! El Diablo 666
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.05.29 20:08:00 - [7] - Quote Did you look at the graphs? They wouldn't be even comperable unless you tanked your assault with plates and your sentinel with KCs... Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Dreis Shadowweaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.05.29 21:54:00 - [8] - Quote QQ Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H No Context 585	Posted - 2015.05.29 22:17:00 - [9] - Quote I don't mind being slow honestly, I have played with the amarr sentinel and the amarr commando long enough to not be bothered by a speed nerf........much Click me
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 1	Posted - 2015.05.29 22:21:00 - [10] - Quote If you want to brick tank a ASSault then use a dame Heavy to get the job done. ffs don't you people ever use your brain >.> (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! Die YOU SHADOW BEING IN THE DARK!!!

Foo Fighting Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 330	Posted - 2015.05.29 22:40:00 - [11] - Quote I'm beginning to think they should remove feroscale (and perhaps even reactive) plates and leave movement speed alone. This would give shield tankers back the advantage they had before these mods were introduced, give gal and amarr assaults the choice between speed or tank or utility for their lows instead of being stacked out with feroscales or reactives and strafing as fast as caldari and minmatar.
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H No Context 587	Posted - 2015.05.29 22:45:00 - [12] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: I'm beginning to think they should remove feroscale (and perhaps even reactive) plates and leave movement speed alone. This would give shield tankers back the advantage they had before these mods were introduced, give gal and amarr assaults the choice between speed or tank or utility for their lows instead of being stacked out with feroscales or reactives and strafing as fast as caldari and minmatar. Or you know, fix broken shield stats. Caldari is supposed to mirror amarr as a shield tanker according to eve players in here and since they know more about eve than I do I will trust their word Click me
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 4	Posted - 2015.05.29 23:00:00 - [13] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: That must be a crazy-tanked assault. It's a highly logical nerf meant to normalize the ratio of speed to eHP on all dropsuits. I believe they'll have the same sprint speed, however. There are problems with that though. 1. Logistics can be seen as the guys that move faster and have equipment. They are super support. Scouts are the guys that are really fast and have Cloak. Heavies are the big fat guys with devastating weapons, either Heavy or increased damage. Assaults are the guys that have slightly more HP than the Logistics and are slower. At least before, you could argue "well, Assaults are efficient; they are faster than most other suits and have a higher HP than their speed should indicate." Now speed is normalized. So what does the Assault have? 2. If HP is supposed to indicate speed, what happens to the Caldari with their Shields? They have less HP and are still slower. The argument before was "flank, hide, attack at range" (which means "play better to overcome your inherent weakness"). If they are to be even slower, it is just a kick in the face. Every Assault is getting hit in head but Caldari are the weakest ones to begin with. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Imp Smash Molon Labe. RUST415 859	Posted - 2015.05.30 03:58:00 - [14] - Quote Assault is the area between commandos and Logis. Less HP than Coms but more speed, More HP than logis but less speed. You can pick the suit that matches the HP/Speed ratio you want.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.05.30 07:25:00 - [15] - Quote Overall if assaults will be as i/we predict, there's gonna be way more scouts, commandos and logis. Since strafing is very important in Dust i guess scouts and logis will take the slayer role. Loyal to The State Supporter of : Guristas and The Khanid Kingdom Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2015.05.30 07:26:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Did you look at the graphs? They wouldn't be even comperable unless you tanked your assault with plates and your sentinel with KCs... People much prefer to complain before getting all of the facts. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2015.05.30 07:28:00 - [17] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson 1. Logistics can be seen as the guys that move faster and have equipment. They are super support. Scouts are the guys that are really fast and have Cloak. Heavies are the big fat guys with devastating weapons, either Heavy or increased damage. Assaults are the guys that have slightly more HP than the Logistics and are slower. At least before, you could argue "well, Assaults are efficient; they are faster than most other suits and have a higher HP than their speed should indicate." Now speed is normalized. [b wrote: So what does the Assault have?[/b]. While I think that the changes bring the Mobility to Defense ratios much more into line, and I support this notion, I will 100% agree that the Assault's very good Mobility/Defense Ratio is what set it apart. If that is going away, we need to come up with something else that makes them unique and interesting. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 414	Posted - 2015.05.30 08:47:00 - [18] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: That must be a crazy-tanked assault. It's a highly logical nerf meant to normalize the ratio of speed to eHP on all dropsuits. I believe they'll have the same sprint speed, however. There are problems with that though. 1. Logistics can be seen as the guys that move faster and have equipment. They are super support. Scouts are the guys that are really fast and have Cloak. Heavies are the big fat guys with devastating weapons, either Heavy or increased damage. Assaults are the guys that have slightly more HP than the Logistics and are slower. At least before, you could argue "well, Assaults are efficient; they are faster than most other suits and have a higher HP than their speed should indicate." Now speed is normalized. So what does the Assault have? 2. If HP is supposed to indicate speed, what happens to the Caldari with their Shields? They have less HP and are still slower. The argument before was "flank, hide, attack at range" (which means "play better to overcome your inherent weakness"). If they are to be even slower, it is just a kick in the face. Every Assault is getting hit in head but Caldari are the weakest ones to begin with. Lower hp also indicates higher regen over a defined time period in most circumstances. That's why ranged fights are usually encouraged, or close range dampend fits with many damage mods, the natural base shield regen helps a lot inbetween fights.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.05.30 08:49:00 - [19] - Quote Have you guys actually looked at the numbers or are you just kneejerking that wigglewiggle will be hurt? In most cases its less than a 0.5m loss of walk speed. The minmatar will be hit the hardest... but that's because their movement speed has long been out of line. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.05.30 09:13:00 - [20] - Quote Drive it before you buy it.. I still don't understand complaints about things that haven't even been proven to be bad yet? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!

Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 476	Posted - 2015.05.30 09:25:00 - [21] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Drive it before you buy it.. I still don't understand complaints about things that haven't even been proven to be bad yet? They want to keep their OP suits. When assaults were garbarge they were all asking for balance at the cost of everything else, now that they're over the other suits they can't stand to be toned down to the same level. Moreover most of them don't even try to understand what Rattati says. It's a strafing speed nerf basically, sprint speed will remain the same. For logis it's a strafe speed buff, but sprint speed remains the same so they will still be less good at slaying than assaults.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.05.30 15:39:00 - [22] - Quote The only thing that really matters will be 'does it make the game more fun to play?' Here's hoping. PSN: RationalSpark
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 4	Posted - 2015.05.30 22:44:00 - [23] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Drive it before you buy it.. I still don't understand complaints about things that haven't even been proven to be bad yet? Because some things are inherently obvious that they are likely not going to be good. I don't need to play the "rail rifle damage increased by 5% and charge time increased by 50%" change to know it is going to be a whole lot more of a step back than an improvement. Assaults are losing a bunch of speed and they weren't even the best suits roaming about the field. Assaults are now no different than Frames given they will start 'to pay for their HP' by losing speed. This is a nerf to all Assaults and one of them is in a terrible place already. I may be wrong but I don't think I need to see the current proposal in action to see that my Minmatar Logistics is likely going to be an even better suit compared to my Caldari Assault. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.05.30 23:19:00 - [24] - Quote I do not understand the need to buff things by nerfing other things. It would probably be fine if assaults had a meaningful bonus but yet again almost every suit is going to out shine the assault at killing.
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.05.31 00:24:00 - [25] - Quote I stopped caring as my buddies pointed out it doesn't matter what suit I'm in I'll kill all in my path anyways, soo I accept that challenge and a few beers Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1	Posted - 2015.05.31 06:53:00 - [26] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Drive it before you buy it.. I still don't understand complaints about things that haven't even been proven to be bad yet? Because some things are inherently obvious that they are likely not going to be good. I don't need to play the "rail rifle damage increased by 5% and charge time increased by 50%" change to know it is going to be a whole lot more of a step back than an improvement. Assaults are losing a bunch of speed and they weren't even the best suits roaming about the field. Assaults are now no different than Frames given they will start 'to pay for their HP' by losing speed. This is a nerf to all Assaults and one of them is in a terrible place already. I may be wrong but I don't think I need to see the current proposal in action to see that my Minmatar Logistics is likely going to be an even better suit compared to my Caldari Assault. We are keeping in mind that it is only walk speed affected right? sprint speeds will not be? Also, all suits should have to sacrifice speed for armor based hp. Assaults should be no different. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!


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