DUST Search - Why did the Roden sniper rifle got nerfed?

demens grimwulff wrote:

Joel II X wrote:

1) I meant difficult, not impossible.

2) there's nothing a Thale's can't do better than a Rodens now, which is what I was emphasizing.

For IWS, no. Bandaid for what exactly? If it broke, don't fix it.

Now, see, here is where your logic is flawed.

To assume there should be a shining light amongst every weapon tree is wrong... the Roden is still very useful as a one shot weapon, but to assume it has to be flat out better thanks to an ultra-high damage is wrong. The same logic should be applied to the SCR and aSCR as well, but sadly, those aren't on the current to-do.

However, with the current lowering of damage, the weapon should have been made more available and maybe given a 2nd round in the clip, but it wouldn't be something I would, personally complain about and say the weapon is dead / no longer useful in any situation (as some have said in here). With damage mods and prof, and the ultra high head shot modifier, it is still a one shot weapon... just don't expect it to come from a body shot.

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Diablo Gamekeeper Escrow Removal and Acquisition No Context 278	Posted - 2015.05.26 21:50:00 - [31] - Quote And i now delete Dust off of my PS3. The rarest weapon (besides Balac Sniper/SMG) gets nerfed. No reason for the nerf either. I have DESTROYED CCP Rattati
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 21:57:00 - [32] - Quote I'm pretty much at that point myself. That gun has been sitting in my inventory for a month, just waiting for the right map, with the right 'mood', and me in the right frame of mind. Director - Corrosive Synergy
demens grimwulff Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 360	Posted - 2015.05.26 21:58:00 - [33] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: And i now delete Dust off of my PS3. The rarest weapon (besides Balac Sniper/SMG) gets nerfed. No reason for the nerf either. As owner of some Balac SMGS thanks to the squad cup tournament I can tell you that they are garbage. Bad comparison. your rush to delete is absolutely hilarious though As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H No Context 765	Posted - 2015.05.26 22:04:00 - [34] - Quote Wow, a post brings up the Roden and it's nothing but positive for sniping. No negative posts about snipers? You'd think thr Roden would inspire more than average hate posts for sniping. It must be MAGICAL! The CPM candidate we need, not the one we want. The candidate for the rest of us.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 22:06:00 - [35] - Quote . Director - Corrosive Synergy
Radiant Pancake3 Y.A.M.A.H No Context 79	Posted - 2015.05.26 22:10:00 - [36] - Quote Luckly I am spared this pain of having a "OHK" Sniper nerfed. Why I am spared this pain? Because I have an even greater pain. The Roden Sniper and the Balac Sniper are the Snipers I do not hold in my possession. I am the Clown of Ass or am I the Ass of Clown... o.O Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Radiant Pancake3 Y.A.M.A.H No Context 79	Posted - 2015.05.26 22:14:00 - [37] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Wow, a post brings up the Roden and it's nothing but positive for sniping. No negative posts about snipers? You'd think thr Roden would inspire more than average hate posts for sniping. It must be MAGICAL! As badly as it you may want to have a negative post about sniping this will not be one. Mainly you see snipers "Redline Snipe" this is why most snipers have a bad name. This is why I only redline snipe if I know there's a tactical side to it. Other than that I snipe in mountains or somewhere not that far but far from A or any other point. If there is a tactical advantage I usually snipe At the edge of the red border. :3 I am the Clown of Ass or am I the Ass of Clown... o.O Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Minmatar Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Knightshade Belladonna Kentucky Fried Clones 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 22:18:00 - [38] - Quote it's the only one where I die at 500m from, so it has that still I guess... or was that nerfed as well?
Knightshade Belladonna Kentucky Fried Clones 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 22:19:00 - [39] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: And i now delete Dust off of my PS3. The rarest weapon (besides Balac Sniper/SMG) gets nerfed. No reason for the nerf either. lol, bye bye weak reason to leave, but won't try and stop you
thehellisgoingon MONSTER SYNERGY 486	Posted - 2015.05.26 22:46:00 - [40] - Quote To everyone that saves these "rare" weapons I lol'd at you. Not with you. If you used it while it's hot good 4 u.

MrShooter01 Ustio Mercenary Squadron 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 23:03:00 - [41] - Quote Patt MaCrotch wrote: WTF?! This was my "go to" for the homos that sit up with a Forge on a high point and snipe. OHK it was, now it is worthless. I have 5, will sell as soon as we can. Might as well put 4 damage mods on a Thale and have the full clip. pssst i'm gonna let you in on a secret rooftop forge campers can also be killed in one hit with a forge gun don't tell anyone ok
Booby Tuesdays Bad Mother Thukkers 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 23:09:00 - [42] - Quote It's funny, I actually used the Rodens for the first time, before I ever even used a Thales. There is zero reason to use a Roden now, lol. It was my go to during FW q-sync stomps. Half Assed Forum Warrior - Half Decent Commando - Damn Good Logi - Matari Freedom Fighter lvl 8
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:31:00 - [43] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Now, see, here is where your logic is flawed. To assume there should be a shining light amongst every weapon tree is wrong... the Roden is still very useful as a one shot weapon, but to assume it has to be flat out better thanks to an ultra-high damage is wrong. The same logic should be applied to the SCR and aSCR as well, but sadly, those aren't on the current to-do. However, with the current lowering of damage, the weapon should have been made more available and maybe given a 2nd round in the clip, but it wouldn't be something I would, personally complain about and say the weapon is dead / no longer useful in any situation (as some have said in here). With damage mods and prof, and the ultra high head shot modifier, it is still a one shot weapon... just don't expect it to come from a body shot. What is your source for the ultra high head shot damage modifier? I thought that Roden counted to the same category as Ishukone and Thale's (the 'baseline' sniper). Granted, haven't botherd to check the game although I still could the the recordings. Surely you agree that if even that headshot modifier is the same, then the Thale is 99,5% of times better than Roden now. (only +0,5% advantage on only very first shot) Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 298	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:57:00 - [44] - Quote The roden When first release, it did 900 damage I was told When I first used it 550 damage and its sensitivity was alot like the thale's 2 weeks after I used I, nurfed again. Way to sensitive to even get a decent headshot Maybe a month after that massive damage nurf. It now does 2 more damage than a thale's . So not only have you nerfed it, you have made it worthless. That's right, a weapon you could only obtain from your experimental lab completely worthless . Infact this gun now has less damage than a charge sniper but with a 3rd of the clip. So we've go from one shotting medium frames to one shotting logi's (that's if they don't have 1 amor plate on) As you can tell I'm a little bit pissed off, but yet again they have gone to far. Nerfing a weapon that is very rare in the first place General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 01:13:00 - [45] - Quote I have a very dualistic view on this Roden nerf. Understandable: - Apparently it was released by accident into live environment. As IWS said, without full testing. - OHK things are a sensitive issue. Not understandable (at all) - There were no complaints - The nerf is stupendously high, it is virtually same damage as Thale's. Even some benefit (like 25 damage) should've been left. - The Roden was even before nerf not as good as Thale's. Why? It was better than Thale's in not-so-wide scenario of OHKing a target which had more HP than Thale can deliver - but not that much HP that Roden couldn't finish him. For example, Roden was nice in killing combat scouts which would start to evade like crazy after 1 hit. But, for most times, when shooting heavies the Thale's was better. Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19	Posted - 2015.05.27 02:09:00 - [46] - Quote well at least its listed in assets now; no longer bugged there. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
demens grimwulff Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 369	Posted - 2015.05.27 02:38:00 - [47] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: What is your source for the ultra high head shot damage modifier? I thought that Roden counted to the same category as Ishukone and Thale's (the 'baseline' sniper). Granted, haven't botherd to check the game although I still could the the recordings. Surely you agree that if even that headshot modifier is the same, then the Thale is 99,5% of times better than Roden now. (only +0,5% advantage on only very first shot) Testing the weapon; we usually do such things when they come out. Like I said, I think if you were to actually use it for what it is needed for, it is still useful. I don't think this is the "omfg CCP nerf hammer to strong?!?!?!?!" moment that everyone is making it out to be. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.27 04:04:00 - [48] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Joel II X wrote: 1) I meant difficult, not impossible. 2) there's nothing a Thale's can't do better than a Rodens now, which is what I was emphasizing. For IWS, no. Bandaid for what exactly? If it broke, don't fix it. Now, see, here is where your logic is flawed. To assume there should be a shining light amongst every weapon tree is wrong... the Roden is still very useful as a one shot weapon, but to assume it has to be flat out better thanks to an ultra-high damage is wrong. The same logic should be applied to the SCR and aSCR as well, but sadly, those aren't on the current to-do. However, with the current lowering of damage, the weapon should have been made more available and maybe given a 2nd round in the clip, but it wouldn't be something I would, personally complain about and say the weapon is dead / no longer useful in any situation (as some have said in here). With damage mods and prof, and the ultra high head shot modifier, it is still a one shot weapon... just don't expect it to come from a body shot. Except, it wasn't BETTER. It was DIFFERENT. It was better at dealing raw damage in a single hit, but you're not going to kill a Sentinel with it unless it was a headshot. The Thale's was (and now is) better at killing tanked up targets because it was able to deal damage faster because it didn't have to reload after every shot. Also, if you have it a second shot, not only would it still be useless compared to a Thale's (again because similar damage and lol 4 shots more per reload), but you would take out its originality. It was supposed to be a high risk, high reward sniper (miss a shot or not killing them instantly usually meant they would get away). This is why it was rare. Let me say this one more time, so that you understand.... Roden is now very close in damage difference to a Thale's per shot, with 4 less shots per clip. Anything a Roden can do, a Thale's, Charge, or even a tactical can do better. Recon? Choose any sniper. Assassination and point defence? Thale's. Popping uplinks? Any sniper, really. Those are the only things viable for a Sniper, and literally almost every other sniper rifle in the game can outperform the once lethal, original Sniper Rifle.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:02:00 - [49] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: What is your source for the ultra high head shot damage modifier? I thought that Roden counted to the same category as Ishukone and Thale's (the 'baseline' sniper). Granted, haven't botherd to check the game although I still could the the recordings. Testing the weapon; we usually do such things when they come out. Like I said, I think if you were to actually use it for what it is needed for, it is still useful. I don't think this is the "omfg CCP nerf hammer to strong?!?!?!?!" moment that everyone is making it out to be. While testing the weapon - I usually document everything and are able to present facts. According to video evidence on Warlords 1.1 hotfix: Thale's Sniper Rifle has a headshot modifier of 286%. http://oi61.tinypic.com/69m4g5.jpg Roden Sniper Rifle has a headshot modifier of 286% http://oi61.tinypic.com/f3dd20.jpg Also, I made a quick test to show that the Warlods 1.1.2 Roden has still the same modifier as in 1.1 - it was NOT buffed. http://oi60.tinypic.com/29olqq1.jpg Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:10:00 - [50] - Quote So, as the headshot modifier's are the same we all can agree that Roden has no benefits to Thale's. Assuming no one considers extra +0,5% damage a valid exchange for being a single shot only weapon. Anyone thinking so, please do raise your hand and tell us under your own name how much you like making that trade. Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.

BEAST ESD1 Y.A.M.A.H No Context 111	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:47:00 - [51] - Quote yea I was willing to pay 10 mil for one but not now thanks CCP you save me some ISK I once stop a microwave on zero.
BEAST ESD1 Y.A.M.A.H No Context 111	Posted - 2015.05.27 14:56:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The nerf was too drastic. It will go to 425-450 in the next hotfix. Spread the news. I once stop a microwave on zero.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 15:19:00 - [53] - Quote BEAST ESD1 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: The nerf was too drastic. It will go to 425-450 in the next hotfix. Spread the news. yeah that is cool. (source for those who did not see https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2792562#post2792562) Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.
Reallusion GrimSleeper Need Permission to Die LLC 114	Posted - 2015.07.09 03:12:00 - [54] - Quote Just give the Roden a 500x headshot modifier OR make it shoot 3 bullets (showing 3 lines at same time would be an awesome effect by the way) Problem solved. I still like my idea for an EMP sniper rifle though. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=204258&find=unread click here for a FREE Staff Recruit Assault Rifle BPO + BOOSTER
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.07.09 03:18:00 - [55] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There was never a proper pass done on the roden I fear this is just a bandaid until we have time to address it directly. Why did you think it needed addressing at all? Is the game flooded with Roden sniper rifles? Thank you Council of wedontevenPlaythegaMe It probably scared the death out of Soraya
DeadlyAztec11 Defenders of the Helghast Dream 8	Posted - 2015.07.09 04:20:00 - [56] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Goddamit. I never got to use the one I've got. I hate dust so much right now. Yes, yes... Feel the hatred, let it fuel you. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.


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