DUST Search - Why did the Roden sniper rifle got nerfed?

demens grimwulff wrote:

Joel II X wrote:

Because getting headshots on a moving target on a game that has enough frames per second to count on your hands is easy.

Why use the Roden now when you have a Thale's?

Honestly, some of the snipers I play with, those that do it fervently, can get headshots on moving targets. Albeit, maybe 10-20% of the time, but enough to matter and bring up the point (i.e. above background noise). As well, snipers, to be useful to a team, do a couple of tasks

1) point control (target is stationary; if a scout, a damage mod or two will 1 shot them regardless of placement)
2) lay of the land information and troop maneuvers (damage not necessary here, but zoom helps)
3) help remove enemies from the battlefield during large pushes... you can do this by killing, or what might be a solely unique idea that you're missing, damaging one or two of them enough that your assaults can easily kill them, stagger the push so that less filter in at once giving the assaults an easier time, or causing them to partially halt the push and retreat

I still see the use for the Rodens.

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Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:21:00 - [1] - Quote from over 500HP damage down to 375HP. If you havent realised its only 2hp more damage then a thale while still only have a single shot before reload. Thats quite a significant nerf if you ask me which nobody was asking for. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 501	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:24:00 - [2] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: from over 500HP damage down to 375HP. If you havent realised its only 2hp more damage then a thale while still only have a single shot before reload. Thats quite a significant nerf if you ask me which nobody was asking for. Are you serious it got nerfed? Ugh. Never used one yet, to afraid to loose them and they got nerfed. Come on ccp. WHY? 48th Special Operations Force Twitter-@48SOF Weekly YES OR NO
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:25:00 - [3] - Quote Goddamit. I never got to use the one I've got. I hate dust so much right now. Director - Corrosive Synergy
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:28:00 - [4] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: from over 500HP damage down to 375HP. If you havent realised its only 2hp more damage then a thale while still only have a single shot before reload. Thats quite a significant nerf if you ask me which nobody was asking for. Are you serious it got nerfed? Ugh. Never used one yet, to afraid to loose them and they got nerfed. Come on ccp. WHY? Yeah ive went into my inventory (it shows now up there) and i press triangle it says it deals 375HP damage. Previously it dealt like 550 HP damage per shot. So yes it got ninja nerfed. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:42:00 - [5] - Quote NOOOOO THOSE ***** CRACKHEADS!!! YOU PLAYERS WHO CALL NERF ON A RODON SNIPER RIFLE!!! ** the thales = trash. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! Die YOU SHADOW BEING IN THE DARK!!!
bastille123 16	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:44:00 - [6] - Quote well no surprise there cosidering 80% of this comunity hates sniper rifles in general no matter how good an online game may be. if the comunity is crap the game is crap -ghost from closed beta-
Sned TheDead Failures inc. 295	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:47:00 - [7] - Quote aww man I was saving mine.... whelp that must mean they increased the drop rate right? Right? Riiight? probably not.... Cleaning up the mess everyone leaves behind :)
VAHZZ The Nerf Herders 2	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:47:00 - [8] - Quote I'm a coming a herding Bruh
Jack Boost Zarena Family 804	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:48:00 - [9] - Quote OHK is ... still OHK. But you can't AV now :P Not much time left...
The Eristic Art.of.Death 992	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:52:00 - [10] - Quote This seems a pointless nerf. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:53:00 - [11] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: OHK is ... still OHK. But you can't AV now :P 375 isn't enough to OHK anything except EWAR scouts and militia mediums. The damage and having one shot was the thing that made it shine, and now, it's gone. GG, you made a good sniper rifle useless.
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:56:00 - [12] - Quote Well there goes any value the Roden Sniper Rifle would have had. Went from a relatively unique sniper rifle to a piece of ** no one's going to want. FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!**
demens grimwulff Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 359	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:56:00 - [13] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Jack Boost wrote: OHK is ... still OHK. But you can't AV now :P 375 isn't enough to OHK anything except EWAR scouts and militia mediums. The damage and having one shot was the thing that made it shine, and now, it's gone. GG, you made a good sniper rifle useless. Does it still have the higher than normal headshot modifier? If so, learn to head shot... also, damage mods. You're a sniper, you won't need shields. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:59:00 - [14] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Joel II X wrote: Jack Boost wrote: OHK is ... still OHK. But you can't AV now :P 375 isn't enough to OHK anything except EWAR scouts and militia mediums. The damage and having one shot was the thing that made it shine, and now, it's gone. GG, you made a good sniper rifle useless. Does it still have the higher than normal headshot modifier? If so, learn to head shot... also, damage mods. You're a sniper, you won't need shields. Because getting headshots on a moving target on a game that has enough frames per second to count on your hands is easy. Why use the Roden now when you have a Thale's?
Keeriam Miray Nos Nothi 503	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:03:00 - [15] - Quote You ppl forgetting that Roden is new PROTO variant & should be available in NPC market. Fix & nerf was expected. -í-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦-ï-+ -+-+-¦-¦-é -¦-ï-é-î -é-+-+-î-¦-+ -+-+-¦-+-¦-+-+-¦. -í-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦...
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:09:00 - [16] - Quote Keeriam Miray wrote: Fix & nerf was expected. No, no it wasn't. Go find me some forums posts where people complain about the damage of the Roden Sniper or any evidence that it was 'broken' in any way. This is jut another "lol y the fuk not?" pointless change no one asked for, just like removing splash damage from Forge Guns. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Squagga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 644	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:15:00 - [17] - Quote Hahahahahahahaha Shields, the silent killer.
demens grimwulff Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 359	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:16:00 - [18] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Because getting headshots on a moving target on a game that has enough frames per second to count on your hands is easy. Why use the Roden now when you have a Thale's? Honestly, some of the snipers I play with, those that do it fervently, can get headshots on moving targets. Albeit, maybe 10-20% of the time, but enough to matter and bring up the point (i.e. above background noise). As well, snipers, to be useful to a team, do a couple of tasks 1) point control (target is stationary; if a scout, a damage mod or two will 1 shot them regardless of placement) 2) lay of the land information and troop maneuvers (damage not necessary here, but zoom helps) 3) help remove enemies from the battlefield during large pushes... you can do this by killing, or what might be a solely unique idea that you're missing, damaging one or two of them enough that your assaults can easily kill them, stagger the push so that less filter in at once giving the assaults an easier time, or causing them to partially halt the push and retreat I still see the use for the Rodens. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Patt MaCrotch Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 120	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:16:00 - [19] - Quote WTF?! This was my "go to" for the homos that sit up with a Forge on a high point and snipe. OHK it was, now it is worthless. I have 5, will sell as soon as we can. Might as well put 4 damage mods on a Thale and have the full clip.
demens grimwulff Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 359	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:20:00 - [20] - Quote Patt MaCrotch wrote: WTF?! This was my "go to" for the homos that sit up with a Forge on a high point and snipe. OHK it was, now it is worthless. I have 5, will sell as soon as we can. Might as well put 4 damage mods on a Thale and have the full clip. Depending on the way damage mods and damage increases (wb and prof) are applied, the Rodens can still do over 2100 damage in one shot to said heavies... still highly valuable As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end

Count- -Crotchula Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:36:00 - [21] - Quote 500hp with ONE SHOT? as standard? without 5 complex damage mods and prof 5? REALLY? and it didn't need to be brought in line with other rifles? now it's more powerful than a thale but was nerfed? you people...............are what is wrong with this game!!!!
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:45:00 - [22] - Quote Count- -Crotchula wrote: 500hp with ONE SHOT? as standard? without 5 complex damage mods and prof 5? REALLY? and it didn't need to be brought in line with other rifles? now it's more powerful than a thale but was nerfed? you people...............are what is wrong with this game!!!! It only has one round in it's magazine. You can only shoot once, then you have to reload. That's what made it unique; Very high damage, but you have to reload after every shot. Why don't you make sure you know what you're talking about before you start being all dramatic. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy No Context 4	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:51:00 - [23] - Quote I'd argue that they are rarer than a Thale's, seeing you can get a Thales out of EoM (albeight rare), strongboxes, and Exp Lab. Rosen's? Only from Exp Lab. Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:51:00 - [24] - Quote There was never a proper pass done on the roden I fear this is just a bandaid until we have time to address it directly. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
bastille123 17	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:59:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There was never a proper pass done on the roden I fear this is just a bandaid until we have time to address it directly. thats the thing trough bandaid for what exactly? a 1 shot reload weapon that had a justified damage for it , not only that but more is even more rare than a thale and yet it got a ```bandaid-¦-¦-¦-¦ from a fuctioning/ viable weapon to now almost useless sniper rifle(it still has 1 shot per mag) no matter how good an online game may be. if the comunity is crap the game is crap -ghost from closed beta-
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.05.26 21:24:00 - [26] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Joel II X wrote: Because getting headshots on a moving target on a game that has enough frames per second to count on your hands is easy. Why use the Roden now when you have a Thale's? Honestly, some of the snipers I play with, those that do it fervently, can get headshots on moving targets. Albeit, maybe 10-20% of the time, but enough to matter and bring up the point (i.e. above background noise). As well, snipers, to be useful to a team, do a couple of tasks 1) point control (target is stationary; if a scout, a damage mod or two will 1 shot them regardless of placement) 2) lay of the land information and troop maneuvers (damage not necessary here, but zoom helps) 3) help remove enemies from the battlefield during large pushes... you can do this by killing, or what might be a solely unique idea that you're missing, damaging one or two of them enough that your assaults can easily kill them, stagger the push so that less filter in at once giving the assaults an easier time, or causing them to partially halt the push and retreat I still see the use for the Rodens. 1) I meant difficult, not impossible. 2) there's nothing a Thale's can't do better than a Rodens now, which is what I was emphasizing. For IWS, no. Bandaid for what exactly? If it broke, don't fix it.
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 88	Posted - 2015.05.26 21:27:00 - [27] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: from over 500HP damage down to 375HP. If you havent realised its only 2hp more damage then a thale while still only have a single shot before reload. Thats quite a significant nerf if you ask me which nobody was asking for. I think 1 shooting a full Ehp stacked amarr sentinel comes to mind........ One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 21:29:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There was never a proper pass done on the roden I fear this is just a bandaid until we have time to address it directly. Why did you think it needed addressing at all? Is the game flooded with Roden sniper rifles? Thank you Council of wedontevenPlaythegaMe
demens grimwulff Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 359	Posted - 2015.05.26 21:31:00 - [29] - Quote Joel II X wrote: 1) I meant difficult, not impossible. 2) there's nothing a Thale's can't do better than a Rodens now, which is what I was emphasizing. For IWS, no. Bandaid for what exactly? If it broke, don't fix it. Now, see, here is where your logic is flawed. To assume there should be a shining light amongst every weapon tree is wrong... the Roden is still very useful as a one shot weapon, but to assume it has to be flat out better thanks to an ultra-high damage is wrong. The same logic should be applied to the SCR and aSCR as well, but sadly, those aren't on the current to-do. However, with the current lowering of damage, the weapon should have been made more available and maybe given a 2nd round in the clip, but it wouldn't be something I would, personally complain about and say the weapon is dead / no longer useful in any situation (as some have said in here). With damage mods and prof, and the ultra high head shot modifier, it is still a one shot weapon... just don't expect it to come from a body shot. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 21:43:00 - [30] - Quote Well I got to use it once, as someone who generally dislikes snipping in this game it seemed fine by me. Acquisition is terrible, matchmaking is terrible, your game is still riddled with bugs, you should feel bad.



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