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Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 17:56:00 - [1] - Quote 13.730.220 ISK. Yup thats right folks less then 15 mil ISK. How i got that number? Quite simple i compared how many proto suits i could get for 23.800 AUR and that number is exactly 238 proto suits. So lets do some math here: -1 proto suit AUR suit equals to 57.690 ISK -i could buy 238 suits for the price of 1 skin - 238X 57.690 ISK= 13.730.220 ISK So if you are trading Skins or are looking to buy a skin you should keep that in mind. If some 1 offers you 25 mil+ ISK for a skin then you allready get more ISK value out of it. So dont be silly and put 100 mil+ pricetags out cause allmost nobody is that stupid. Due to prestige/other nonesense the arguable pricetag would be probs 30 mil which is over 100% then your AUR was originally worth. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:09:00 - [2] - Quote On the flip side, Marine SKINs will be over 100M. How did I get that? 100,000LP + 10M ISK for a skin No aurum version so aurum conversions nullified About 2k LP per win no boosters at level 10 50 wins per SKIN 250K ISK per normal match if you weren't playing FW 50 x 250k = 12.5M ISK, add the 10M ISK fee 22.5M ISK if all goes well +fee because you need to profit +fee because you don't win every match +fee because you will lose expensive fits in order to win +fee because getting to level 10 ain't easy +fee because FW matches take longer to get into than pubs +fee because FW isn't even available in early hours +fee because there's no other way to get these Probably more I'm forgetting Easily a 4x convenience fee total Round up to 100M just because Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:10:00 - [3] - Quote I would have contradicted you if it was bpo suits but since its just skins it sounds like a reasonable price. But I would add an extra 30% simply because of my ability to actually buy the damn skin. That said I dont mean to price gauge and I would never sell a skin (I bought it fer meh), but supply and demand are going to change these numbers Plasma Cannon Advocate
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 828	Posted - 2015.05.26 19:18:00 - [4] - Quote Some SKINs will be more common than others, or do you want to pay 13 mil for a 'Dren' skin?
Scheneighnay McBob Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary 6	Posted - 2015.05.26 20:22:00 - [5] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: On the flip side, Marine SKINs will be over 100M. How did I get that? 100,000LP + 10M ISK for a skin No aurum version so aurum conversions nullified About 2k LP per win no boosters at level 10 50 wins per SKIN 250K ISK per normal match if you weren't playing FW 50 x 250k = 12.5M ISK, add the 10M ISK fee 22.5M ISK if all goes well +fee because you need to profit +fee because you don't win every match +fee because you will lose expensive fits in order to win +fee because getting to level 10 ain't easy +fee because FW matches take longer to get into than pubs +fee because FW isn't even available in early hours +fee because there's no other way to get these Probably more I'm forgetting Easily a 4x convenience fee total Round up to 100M just because only 2K per win at level 10? I'm level 4 and I'm getting 1.2K per win Aloha snackbar
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 20:27:00 - [6] - Quote AUR proto gear also allows for use without having the normally required skillset at V. This very important benefit is undoubtedly rolled into that AUR price so eben that 13M listed above would be high. Open-Beta Vet. Egbinger Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.26 20:36:00 - [7] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: On the flip side, Marine SKINs will be over 100M. How did I get that? 100,000LP + 10M ISK for a skin No aurum version so aurum conversions nullified About 2k LP per win no boosters at level 10 50 wins per SKIN 250K ISK per normal match if you weren't playing FW 50 x 250k = 12.5M ISK, add the 10M ISK fee 22.5M ISK if all goes well +fee because you need to profit +fee because you don't win every match +fee because you will lose expensive fits in order to win +fee because getting to level 10 ain't easy +fee because FW matches take longer to get into than pubs +fee because FW isn't even available in early hours +fee because there's no other way to get these Probably more I'm forgetting Easily a 4x convenience fee total Round up to 100M just because Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it. No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit. I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction". "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.05.26 20:37:00 - [8] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: On the flip side, Marine SKINs will be over 100M. How did I get that? 100,000LP + 10M ISK for a skin No aurum version so aurum conversions nullified About 2k LP per win no boosters at level 10 50 wins per SKIN 250K ISK per normal match if you weren't playing FW 50 x 250k = 12.5M ISK, add the 10M ISK fee 22.5M ISK if all goes well +fee because you need to profit +fee because you don't win every match +fee because you will lose expensive fits in order to win +fee because getting to level 10 ain't easy +fee because FW matches take longer to get into than pubs +fee because FW isn't even available in early hours +fee because there's no other way to get these Probably more I'm forgetting Easily a 4x convenience fee total Round up to 100M just because I think this shows how absurd the price tag on the LP skins really is. Too bad CCP is not going to back down on that price now because they do not have the man power to return a portion of the ISK and LP to the people that have already purchased them.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.05.26 20:50:00 - [9] - Quote What money you gals will spend too look good for us guys. .emag nug ym tpecxe gnihtyreve sexif gnikamhctam RDK
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 21:20:00 - [10] - Quote The isk worth of a skin is exactly what people will pay for it. From my perspective it's worthless. Enjoy.

Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.05.26 21:44:00 - [11] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: The isk worth of a skin is exactly what people will pay for it. From my perspective it's worthless. Enjoy. Want my money? Sell a module that improves gun game. .emag nug ym tpecxe gnihtyreve sexif gnikamhctam RDK
Knightshade Belladonna Kentucky Fried Clones 1	Posted - 2015.05.26 22:30:00 - [12] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Some SKINs will be more common than others, or do you want to pay 13 mil for a 'Dren' skin? we have dren skins now?
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:14:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it. No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit. I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction". good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:22:00 - [14] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it. No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit. I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction". good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade. Maybe not their first, or even second, but someone who has already grinded to level 10, and enjoys playing factional, will eventually have enough spare LP to sell them for that price.. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Booby Tuesdays Bad Mother Thukkers 1	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:23:00 - [15] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: only 2K per win at level 10? I'm level 4 and I'm getting 1.2K per win It only goes up about 100 LP per level of standing. I went from 1602 to 1716 from 7 to 8. Half Assed Forum Warrior - Half Decent Commando - Damn Good Logi - Matari Freedom Fighter lvl 8
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:28:00 - [16] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it. No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit. I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction". good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade. But that's the point. Supply and Demand dictates what the cost is. People don't care how hard it was for you to win, what you sacrificed for it, etc. They want a reasonable price that they can afford as a substitute for their time. A couple of weeks ago I was in the same place you were....but I realise 100M ISK is a huge sum of money for most players. If you think about it another way " NO ONE IS PAYING FOR YOU TO RUN PROTO FITS IN A GAME MODE YOU ALREADY RUN". Asking them to do so is asking too much. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:32:00 - [17] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it. No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit. I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction". good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade. Maybe not their first, or even second, but someone who has already grinded to level 10, and enjoys playing factional, will eventually have enough spare LP to sell them for that price.. Time will tell. I'll never sell extra skins for that price regardless of supply demand. Is rather spend the LP on consumable great in the LP market than let someone marginalize the effort I put in to get these skins by selling at such a low price. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:36:00 - [18] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it. No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit. I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction". good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade. Maybe not their first, or even second, but someone who has already grinded to level 10, and enjoys playing factional, will eventually have enough spare LP to sell them for that price.. Time will tell. I'll never sell extra skins for that price regardless of supply demand. Is rather spend the LP on consumable great in the LP market than let someone marginalize the effort I put in to get these skins by selling at such a low price. You do not lose 85M ISK in the earning of the Dropsuit. Even I don't by fielding HAV. You might lose in the 50 Battles to the top 20M ISK. That means with the additiona 10M ISK cost you are recouping your losses and making 35 Million ISK profit. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:48:00 - [19] - Quote True you're missing the point. It's not about how much ISK I'm losing in FW, and it extends pay traditional supply/demand. It's about how much easier it is to farm 30-50M ISK than get 100k LP, and there being no other way to earn them. I'm not ever going to sell a loyalty skin for that cheap because it dimishes the value of seeing someone who owns it. In all honesty loyalty skins should never be tradeable, but if they are at least being willing to give up 100M ISK denotes a strong loyalty to a faction. 30-50M ISK does not. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
The Attorney General 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:52:00 - [20] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: ]good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade. Just wait for all the schlubs currently q syncing to get suits to all get them on the market at the same time. You can sit around and wait for your perceived value to come along, but those who are more market savvy will be selling their wares while you sit and look at your collection of skins in your assets. How much loose ISK do you think is floating around? Do you really think people are sitting on hundreds of millions of isk and those people aren't the same ones you are grinding alongside? Not that I mind, I figure I will grab a skin at a bargain price a few months from now when you guys have bottomed the market out because none of you understand that scarcity drives value. I got a good kick out of joining a q sync in AFW and hearing all the people talk about how close they were to skin x,y and z. You are going to oversupply the market, so you you better get real comfortable with lower prices. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.

The Attorney General 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:54:00 - [21] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm not ever going to sell a loyalty skin for that cheap because it dimishes the value of seeing someone who owns it. Then you won't sell yours. Its quite simple really. You are grinding LP for a price point that will never be reached, I foresee much disappointment in your future. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:54:00 - [22] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True you're missing the point. It's not about how much ISK I'm losing in FW, and it extends pay traditional supply/demand. It's about how much easier it is to farm 30-50M ISK than get 100k LP, and there being no other way to earn them. I'm not ever going to sell a loyalty skin for that cheap because it dimishes the value of seeing someone who owns it. In all honesty loyalty skins should never be tradeable, but if they are at least being willing to give up 100M ISK denotes a strong loyalty to a faction. 30-50M ISK does not. Why the hell would you sell LP goods to factional loyalists? They're already working to earn LP. You sell to those who will never enter Amarr FW but want the LP SKINS for their Amarr content. Hell no loyalist you or I even know of has 100M ISK let alone is willing to pay you for what they get from our Q Syncs. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:57:00 - [23] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: ]good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade. Just wait for all the schlubs currently q syncing to get suits to all get them on the market at the same time. You can sit around and wait for your perceived value to come along, but those who are more market savvy will be selling their wares while you sit and look at your collection of skins in your assets. How much loose ISK do you think is floating around? Do you really think people are sitting on hundreds of millions of isk and those people aren't the same ones you are grinding alongside? Not that I mind, I figure I will grab a skin at a bargain price a few months from now when you guys have bottomed the market out because none of you understand that scarcity drives value. I got a good kick out of joining a q sync in AFW and hearing all the people talk about how close they were to skin x,y and z. You are going to oversupply the market, so you you better get real comfortable with lower prices. 1) Oversupply? No. If you're collecting LP to sell items you agent cashing in the LP until you know what the buyer wants. There will be no surplus stuck in anyone's inventory. 2) I'm not even suggesting the high price because I want the ISK, it's because currently loyalty skins are a cool item that you cannot buy with aurum, only way to get them is fighting FW. Selling them for cheap ISK destroys the perceived value for those who earned them traditionally. Honestly I'm thinking of just campaigning to keep them non tradeable forever. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.27 00:59:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: True you're missing the point. It's not about how much ISK I'm losing in FW, and it extends pay traditional supply/demand. It's about how much easier it is to farm 30-50M ISK than get 100k LP, and there being no other way to earn them. I'm not ever going to sell a loyalty skin for that cheap because it dimishes the value of seeing someone who owns it. In all honesty loyalty skins should never be tradeable, but if they are at least being willing to give up 100M ISK denotes a strong loyalty to a faction. 30-50M ISK does not. Why the hell would you sell LP goods to factional loyalists? They're already working to earn LP. You sell to those who will never enter Amarr FW but want the LP SKINS for their Amarr content. Hell no loyalist you or I even know of has 100M ISK let alone is willing to pay you for what they get from our Q Syncs. some people may not like the hassle of FW? I'm not particularly fond of it myself. But forget it, #TeamDontAllowLPSkinTrading Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.27 01:00:00 - [25] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm not ever going to sell a loyalty skin for that cheap because it dimishes the value of seeing someone who owns it. Then you won't sell yours. Its quite simple really. You are grinding LP for a price point that will never be reached, I foresee much disappointment in your future. You completely missed the point. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
The Attorney General 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 01:03:00 - [26] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm not ever going to sell a loyalty skin for that cheap because it dimishes the value of seeing someone who owns it. Then you won't sell yours. Its quite simple really. You are grinding LP for a price point that will never be reached, I foresee much disappointment in your future. You completely missed the point. And you missed staying awake for basic econ. Until you learn the basics of both the market you are in, and the clientele you are trying to sell to, you are sure to be grumpy at people not meeting your unrealistic value expectations. Enjoy your piles of unsold LP, keep thinking that your time is valuable for playing Dust. Hot tip: It isn't. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 2	Posted - 2015.05.27 01:09:00 - [27] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: 1) Oversupply? No. If you're collecting LP to sell items you agent cashing in the LP until you know what the buyer wants. There will be no surplus stuck in anyone's inventory. 2) I'm not even suggesting the high price because I want the ISK, it's because currently loyalty skins are a cool item that you cannot buy with aurum, only way to get them is fighting FW. Selling them for cheap ISK destroys the perceived value for those who earned them traditionally. Honestly I'm thinking of just campaigning to keep them non tradeable forever. That LP is the oversupply. You are not the only person grinding FW. There are plenty of others doing it as well, they all have LP, just like you, and are looking to eventually convert it to ISK, just like you. The people you are playing beside are the people you will be fighting for customers with. Now, you can all get together and collude to charge stupid prices for your wares, and watch the customers q up for FW themselves, or just pass on funding your gameplay. If you don't fix the market, you might find that your squaddie goes hard broke and finds himself in need of an ISK injection, at which point someone offering say 50m is going to look very appealing to them. Are you ready to buy him out of his LP to maintain your artificial value on your LP? If you are not, then you should just enjoy seeing how high you can get you LP wallet, because converting it to ISK isn't going to work out too well for you. I think you are suggesting a high price because you think your time is far more valuable than it is. Common mistake, but don't say I didn't warn you. As to keeping them untradeable, good luck with that crusade, I suspect that all the others grinding LP to sell suits would stand against you on that matter just as they will undercut your price points when the time comes. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415 226	Posted - 2015.05.27 01:13:00 - [28] - Quote In my opinion 15 mill isk is low honestly 20 -25 is fair if u really wanted a skin and played fw from lvl 0 on up to get one youd easily more than 50-100 mil depending on faction due to difficulty. price based on rarity and how easily u actually can aquire them plays hige role on price. Aur ones yea u spend real like money but still easy to aquire if u are trying to get for free in game currency expect hefty price cuz someone actually spent their real life money to get. FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.27 01:14:00 - [29] - Quote Oversupply of LP? You know they sell other stuff then SKINs and APEX suits. And this was never about economics, it was never about making loads of isk. Honestly I'm feeling pretty good at convincing my position to the Rat Lord. It's not as if those farming LP won't have other stuff to sell ( APEX, Sepecialist gear, Etc) Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.05.27 01:18:00 - [30] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Oversupply of LP? You know they sell other stuff then SKINs and APEX suits. And this was never about economics, it was never about making loads of isk. Honestly I'm feeling pretty good at convincing my position to the Rat Lord. It's not as if those farming LP won't have other stuff to sell ( APEX, Sepecialist gear, Etc) All I'm saying is that I don't think you can justify a 100,000,000 ISK price tag to the general community. Primarily because that is an incredibly large amount of ISK and the market for players both willing and able to pay that amount is incredibly low. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`



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