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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.05.26 18:09:00 -
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On the flip side, Marine SKINs will be over 100M. How did I get that?
100,000LP + 10M ISK for a skin
No aurum version so aurum conversions nullified
About 2k LP per win no boosters at level 10
50 wins per SKIN
250K ISK per normal match if you weren't playing FW
50 x 250k = 12.5M ISK, add the 10M ISK fee
22.5M ISK if all goes well
+fee because you need to profit
+fee because you don't win every match
+fee because you will lose expensive fits in order to win
+fee because getting to level 10 ain't easy
+fee because FW matches take longer to get into than pubs
+fee because FW isn't even available in early hours
+fee because there's no other way to get these
Probably more I'm forgetting
Easily a 4x convenience fee total
Round up to 100M just because
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Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:14:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it.
No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit.
I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction".
good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade.
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp
Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:32:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it.
No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit.
I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction".
good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade. Maybe not their first, or even second, but someone who has already grinded to level 10, and enjoys playing factional, will eventually have enough spare LP to sell them for that price..
Time will tell. I'll never sell extra skins for that price regardless of supply demand. Is rather spend the LP on consumable great in the LP market than let someone marginalize the effort I put in to get these skins by selling at such a low price.
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Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:48:00 -
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True you're missing the point. It's not about how much ISK I'm losing in FW, and it extends pay traditional supply/demand. It's about how much easier it is to farm 30-50M ISK than get 100k LP, and there being no other way to earn them. I'm not ever going to sell a loyalty skin for that cheap because it dimishes the value of seeing someone who owns it. In all honesty loyalty skins should never be tradeable, but if they are at least being willing to give up 100M ISK denotes a strong loyalty to a faction. 30-50M ISK does not.
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp
Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:57:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:]good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade.
Just wait for all the schlubs currently q syncing to get suits to all get them on the market at the same time. You can sit around and wait for your perceived value to come along, but those who are more market savvy will be selling their wares while you sit and look at your collection of skins in your assets. How much loose ISK do you think is floating around? Do you really think people are sitting on hundreds of millions of isk and those people aren't the same ones you are grinding alongside? Not that I mind, I figure I will grab a skin at a bargain price a few months from now when you guys have bottomed the market out because none of you understand that scarcity drives value. I got a good kick out of joining a q sync in AFW and hearing all the people talk about how close they were to skin x,y and z. You are going to oversupply the market, so you you better get real comfortable with lower prices. 1) Oversupply? No. If you're collecting LP to sell items you agent cashing in the LP until you know what the buyer wants. There will be no surplus stuck in anyone's inventory.
2) I'm not even suggesting the high price because I want the ISK, it's because currently loyalty skins are a cool item that you cannot buy with aurum, only way to get them is fighting FW. Selling them for cheap ISK destroys the perceived value for those who earned them traditionally. Honestly I'm thinking of just campaigning to keep them non tradeable forever.
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp
Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:59:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True you're missing the point. It's not about how much ISK I'm losing in FW, and it extends pay traditional supply/demand. It's about how much easier it is to farm 30-50M ISK than get 100k LP, and there being no other way to earn them. I'm not ever going to sell a loyalty skin for that cheap because it dimishes the value of seeing someone who owns it. In all honesty loyalty skins should never be tradeable, but if they are at least being willing to give up 100M ISK denotes a strong loyalty to a faction. 30-50M ISK does not. Why the hell would you sell LP goods to factional loyalists? They're already working to earn LP. You sell to those who will never enter Amarr FW but want the LP SKINS for their Amarr content. Hell no loyalist you or I even know of has 100M ISK let alone is willing to pay you for what they get from our Q Syncs. some people may not like the hassle of FW? I'm not particularly fond of it myself. But forget it, #TeamDontAllowLPSkinTrading
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp
Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10
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Posted - 2015.05.27 01:00:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm not ever going to sell a loyalty skin for that cheap because it dimishes the value of seeing someone who owns it. Then you won't sell yours. Its quite simple really. You are grinding LP for a price point that will never be reached, I foresee much disappointment in your future.
You completely missed the point.
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp
Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10
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Posted - 2015.05.27 01:14:00 -
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Oversupply of LP? You know they sell other stuff then SKINs and APEX suits. And this was never about economics, it was never about making loads of isk.
Honestly I'm feeling pretty good at convincing my position to the Rat Lord. It's not as if those farming LP won't have other stuff to sell ( APEX, Sepecialist gear, Etc)
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp
Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10
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Posted - 2015.05.27 01:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Oversupply of LP? You know they sell other stuff then SKINs and APEX suits. And this was never about economics, it was never about making loads of isk.
Honestly I'm feeling pretty good at convincing my position to the Rat Lord. It's not as if those farming LP won't have other stuff to sell ( APEX, Sepecialist gear, Etc) All I'm saying is that I don't think you can justify a 100,000,000 ISK price tag to the general community. Primarily because that is an incredibly large amount of ISK and the market for players both willing and able to pay that amount is incredibly low. then all I'm saying is don't let them be tradeable and let LP farmers use APEX and specialist gear to convert their LP to ISK
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp
Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
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