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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.26 20:36:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:On the flip side, Marine SKINs will be over 100M. How did I get that?
100,000LP + 10M ISK for a skin
No aurum version so aurum conversions nullified
About 2k LP per win no boosters at level 10
50 wins per SKIN
250K ISK per normal match if you weren't playing FW
50 x 250k = 12.5M ISK, add the 10M ISK fee
22.5M ISK if all goes well
+fee because you need to profit
+fee because you don't win every match
+fee because you will lose expensive fits in order to win
+fee because getting to level 10 ain't easy
+fee because FW matches take longer to get into than pubs
+fee because FW isn't even available in early hours
+fee because there's no other way to get these
Probably more I'm forgetting
Easily a 4x convenience fee total
Round up to 100M just because
Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it.
No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit.
I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction".
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:28:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it.
No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit.
I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction".
good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade.
But that's the point. Supply and Demand dictates what the cost is. People don't care how hard it was for you to win, what you sacrificed for it, etc. They want a reasonable price that they can afford as a substitute for their time. A couple of weeks ago I was in the same place you were....but I realise 100M ISK is a huge sum of money for most players.
If you think about it another way " NO ONE IS PAYING FOR YOU TO RUN PROTO FITS IN A GAME MODE YOU ALREADY RUN". Asking them to do so is asking too much.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:36:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Less ironically Arkena's logic has worn off on me despite my staunch arguments against it.
No one is going to pay 100M ISK for a SKIN, it would likely be cheaper and more profitable to earn it themselves, the only thing a player is or should be paying for is the convenience of not having to do some themselves. It is not up to them to "purchase" the financial burden of you having earned the suit.
I'd give it between 55-70 Million Tops for a SKIN from a "less popular faction" if you are really lucky and maybe 30-40 Million for one from a "popular faction".
good luck finding someone who actually earned that SKIN to sell it that cheap. If you don't want to earn it yourselves it won't be cheap to buy it from a trade. Maybe not their first, or even second, but someone who has already grinded to level 10, and enjoys playing factional, will eventually have enough spare LP to sell them for that price.. Time will tell. I'll never sell extra skins for that price regardless of supply demand. Is rather spend the LP on consumable great in the LP market than let someone marginalize the effort I put in to get these skins by selling at such a low price.
You do not lose 85M ISK in the earning of the Dropsuit. Even I don't by fielding HAV. You might lose in the 50 Battles to the top 20M ISK. That means with the additiona 10M ISK cost you are recouping your losses and making 35 Million ISK profit.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.27 00:54:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True you're missing the point. It's not about how much ISK I'm losing in FW, and it extends pay traditional supply/demand. It's about how much easier it is to farm 30-50M ISK than get 100k LP, and there being no other way to earn them. I'm not ever going to sell a loyalty skin for that cheap because it dimishes the value of seeing someone who owns it. In all honesty loyalty skins should never be tradeable, but if they are at least being willing to give up 100M ISK denotes a strong loyalty to a faction. 30-50M ISK does not.
Why the hell would you sell LP goods to factional loyalists? They're already working to earn LP. You sell to those who will never enter Amarr FW but want the LP SKINS for their Amarr content.
Hell no loyalist you or I even know of has 100M ISK let alone is willing to pay you for what they get from our Q Syncs.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.27 01:18:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Oversupply of LP? You know they sell other stuff then SKINs and APEX suits. And this was never about economics, it was never about making loads of isk.
Honestly I'm feeling pretty good at convincing my position to the Rat Lord. It's not as if those farming LP won't have other stuff to sell ( APEX, Sepecialist gear, Etc)
All I'm saying is that I don't think you can justify a 100,000,000 ISK price tag to the general community. Primarily because that is an incredibly large amount of ISK and the market for players both willing and able to pay that amount is incredibly low.
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- Arkena Wyrnspire
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