http://i.imgur.com/yjfjClK.png

Overall the concept is just to give a bit more freedom in our weaponry but I also feel like it could maybe borrow from where we're going with the Dropsuits in that it'd kill off unnecessary variations of the same thing (Assault Rifle, 'Blindfire' Assault Rifle, Federal Assault Rifle, etc) . BPO's could easily enough just have the modules permanently built-in and not require any additional components.

CONCEPT:
Every weapon starts out with it's baseline stats (in this case, a standard Assault Rifle).

Damage: 30.90 HP
Rate of Fire: 800.00 RPM
Clip Size: 70
Max. Ammo: 350
Reload Time: 3.00s

MODULAR FUNCTIONALITY THROUGH COMPONENTS:
A - The weapon being customized.
B - The weapon's fire-mode. In this case the applied Component makes it semi-automatic (a Tactical AR).
C - The weapon's power core. This determines it's performance as it would have been in a power-level
----------------------> (MLT/STD/ADV/PROTO/Specialist/Experimental/Officer). In this case, I'm using a Proto power-core.
D - The weapon's SKIN. Because I love PYRUS ARs but I hate only being able to get them through boxes.
E - The weapon's driver component. This could be used to reduce the skill necessity - Aurum and Loyalty Store models would have these built in since they're intended to be used with lower skill requirements. In this case, I'd be using an 'Aurum Driver Component' to reduce the skill level down to Assault Rifle Operation 3, instead of 5.
F - The weapon's accessory component. Intended to be more for function than performance. In this case, a scope.

OUTCOME:
The Fire-mode component determines that it is a Tactical Assault Rifle.
The Power Core component determines that it is a Prototype in performance.
The SKIN is white.
The Driver Component is an 'Aurum' driver, reducing skill requirement.
The weapon's accessory component is a scope.

In this case I've made the equivalent of a 'Codewish' Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle, just with a white SKIN.

HOW YOU GET IT ON YOUR SUIT:
Separate window UI specifically for weapon customization. You save the respective weapon, name it, then apply it as you would normally in the fitting screen - but now with less 'lists' of weapons as they'd only be 'frames'. The weapon is unique to you.

HOW SALVAGE COULD BE HANDLED:
Simple enough. The base weapon 'frame' gets dropped, as do the components, rather than a bunch of different variations that we'll just wind up selling anyway.

POSSIBLE CRAFTING?:
Could even use some of the Battle Salvage (Broken Optronic Sight, Crushed Magazine Housing) to 'restore' parts and apply them to your weapon.

Feel free to discuss, just wanted to get the concept out there as I saw it.

Accessory thing probably won't get put in if this becomes a thing.

I just want a plasma grenade launcher undermount of my assault rifle

I have always liked the idea of being able to mods weapons. My only thoughts other than that is, we are just now finally to a point where all of the rifles are reasonably balanced. Doing something like this would likely have a whole new balance pass with it.

Not sure if it is worth another year of balance passes...

I like the idea. But would there be a way to simply purchase a fully equipped AR? Meaning, could I go to the Marketplace and buy a fully functioning AR or would I need to buy all the different mods and put it together?

Not a big deal. I guess you could always build the first one, and then you could restock that one.

Two things:
1. Does changing the fire mode also changes things like damage and clip size?
I assume it does but that brings up the point, why call it fire mode if it changes all of these things?
On the other hand, if fire mode doesn't then what possible reason would I have for using say a 'Breach fire mode'?

2. I don't think the SCR has iron sights...
both variants (base and assault) have 'yellow' dot sights
I could be wrong mind you

Can't see why not. It's no different than pre-fitted suits, yanno?

Please don't take any more forum breaks. I've missed threads like this.

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I think it might be better to try to sell the idea in more distinct stages, as to try to sell it in a way that can be seen in distinct components for development.

With something like:

Stage 1:

Weapon PowerCore + SkIn.
Depending on What development can be done, this could potentially only be added to a dropsuit without making weapons truly "moddable"

Stage 2:
Weapons can be modded directly as you suggest, with PowerCore + Skin + Fire Mode

Stage 3:
The visual mods such as the scope.

As for the Aurum component I feel that could more easily be rolled into having Aurum / LP cores as to not overly clutter the fitting screen, and potentially allow that room to more choice based mechanisms that actually impact weapon performance.

Note: The main problem to keep in mind with steps 2 / 3 is that potentially making a weapon into a fitting module we may run into the problem we have now with dropsuits, where having them becomes a huge hit on performance over current weapons. If that's the case, then perhaps have the weapon mods only be attached to a dropsuit as to avoid the performance hit.

i.e imagine each weapon slot having 2 slots expanding outwards that are attached to it.

Idea has very good merits and takes a look at how to do things.

However there does beg the question of various scenarios such as what happens when salvaged? restocking? aquiring new parts and much more needs to be discussed much further and thought down and up.

For example I can see a large number of scopes being BPOs and isk only minus cosmetic scopes (scopes that like replace the red dot with the caldari symbol instead)

Idea has very good merits and takes a look at how to do things.

However there does beg the question of various scenarios such as what happens when salvaged? restocking? aquiring new parts and much more needs to be discussed much further and thought down and up.

For example I can see a large number of scopes being BPOs and isk only minus cosmetic scopes (scopes that like replace the red dot with the caldari symbol instead)

Actually, I just thought about this, but there'd be an INSANE amount of value to having weapon cosmetics like this that you can only get with District Kredits. I'd PC the hell out of this game to get my hands on weapon cosmetics if they were only available through PC

Weapon customization needs to happen eventually. By far the funnest part of "Army of Two", and one of the funnest parts of "Dead Space 3".



I think there should be a few minor upgrades you can make to a gun, at the price of your gun costing more ISK/PG/CPU. Upgrades might include adding a scope, clip extender, heat sink, tightened dispersion etc. For balance, upgrades would have a considerable fitting cost added to the weapon.

Upgrading enough would add the prefix 'Modified' to your weapon title.

Along with upgrades, a player could choose from a few different balanced options, such as fire mode (auto, semi auto.), scope type, which don't offer an advantage, but are just a preference. Or for another example, a player could turn up the damage (to a point) but doing so would turn down the fire rate, allowing you to create your own 'Breach' variant.


If this were implemented, I think we could do away with 'Rifle Variants' altogether. Instead of choosing between a burst,breach, tactical, or standard assault rifle, a player would simple start with a basic assault rifle, and customize it himself into any of those.

To make a TAC AR, a player would have to add a scope and change fire mode to semi auto. Bam. A player then could turn up the damage like a 'Breach', and have even slower fire rate. Breach Tactical assault rifle!




TLDR;

We can do away with all rifle variants by making weapons fully customizable.

1.) Have basic weapon upgrades: Clip extender, Heat sink, tighter dispersion - Which increase the fitting cost and ISK cost of your weapon significantly.

2.) Have a trade off-system where you choose one thing or another: IE: Choose auto, or semi auto. Choose High Damage Low RoF, or Low Damage High RoF etc.

Idea has very good merits and takes a look at how to do things.

However there does beg the question of various scenarios such as what happens when salvaged? restocking? aquiring new parts and much more needs to be discussed much further and thought down and up.

For example I can see a large number of scopes being BPOs and isk only minus cosmetic scopes (scopes that like replace the red dot with the caldari symbol instead)

Weapon Fitting Screen

First things first

Idea has very good merits[...]

All the yes! +1+1Agreed. Sooo when are we getting this?

EDIT: There's a lot of merit in this post. My proposal adds a lot of unnecessary fluff with stuff like components and the like but what we honestly and truly need is just a simple system that offers:

Weapon Frame
Power Core
SKIN

This would reduce the amount of available weapons considerably since there are almost 50 different Assault Rifles that all offer largely similar performance to one another. By separating them into these three categories, we reduce that number to just 4.

This is a good point and would make a good intermediate step, but I would still prefer work be done to deliver customization in the way you first described.

For some of the people I've talked to, having all the options for your suit and none for your gun has been rather confusing.

Be sure to check this out.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GQmQ0uBqGxl1d947n0rD-ZKZbjgt-RPmL35zll5VB-w/edit?usp=sharing

PLEASE BE SURE TO READ THE EDIT AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST

http://i.imgur.com/yjfjClK.png

Overall the concept is just to give a bit more freedom in our weaponry but I also feel like it could maybe borrow from where we're going with the Dropsuits in that it'd kill off unnecessary variations of the same thing (Assault Rifle, 'Blindfire' Assault Rifle, Federal Assault Rifle, etc) . BPO's could easily enough just have the modules permanently built-in and not require any additional components.

CONCEPT:
Every weapon starts out with it's baseline stats (in this case, a standard Assault Rifle).

Damage: 30.90 HP
Rate of Fire: 800.00 RPM
Clip Size: 70
Max. Ammo: 350
Reload Time: 3.00s

MODULAR FUNCTIONALITY THROUGH COMPONENTS:
A - The weapon being customized.
B - The weapon's fire-mode. In this case the applied Component makes it semi-automatic (a Tactical AR).
C - The weapon's power core. This determines it's performance as it would have been in a power-level
----------------------> (MLT/STD/ADV/PROTO/Specialist/Experimental/Officer). In this case, I'm using a Proto power-core.
D - The weapon's SKIN. Because I love PYRUS ARs but I hate only being able to get them through boxes.
E - The weapon's driver component. This could be used to reduce the skill necessity - Aurum and Loyalty Store models would have these built in since they're intended to be used with lower skill requirements. In this case, I'd be using an 'Aurum Driver Component' to reduce the skill level down to Assault Rifle Operation 3, instead of 5.
F - The weapon's accessory component. Intended to be more for function than performance. In this case, a scope.

OUTCOME:
The Fire-mode component determines that it is a Tactical Assault Rifle.
The Power Core component determines that it is a Prototype in performance.
The SKIN is white.
The Driver Component is an 'Aurum' driver, reducing skill requirement.
The weapon's accessory component is a scope.

In this case I've made the equivalent of a 'Codewish' Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle, just with a white SKIN.

HOW YOU GET IT ON YOUR SUIT:
Separate window UI specifically for weapon customization. You save the respective weapon, name it, then apply it as you would normally in the fitting screen - but now with less 'lists' of weapons as they'd only be 'frames'. The weapon is unique to you.

HOW SALVAGE COULD BE HANDLED:
Simple enough. The base weapon 'frame' gets dropped, as do the components, rather than a bunch of different variations that we'll just wind up selling anyway.

POSSIBLE CRAFTING?:
Could even use some of the Battle Salvage (Broken Optronic Sight, Crushed Magazine Housing) to 'restore' parts and apply them to your weapon.

Feel free to discuss, just wanted to get the concept out there as I saw it.

EDIT: There's a lot of merit in this post. My proposal adds a lot of unnecessary fluff with stuff like components and the like but what we honestly and truly need is just a simple system that offers:

Weapon Frame
Power Core
SKIN

This would reduce the amount of available weapons considerably since there are almost 50 different Assault Rifles that all offer largely similar performance to one another. By separating them into these three categories, we reduce that number to just 4.

Spreadsheet outlining pretty much everything available here

This is great! Well done. +1

One little thing though there should be 2 base versions of the AR
Assault Rifle ( Iron Sight )
Assault Rifle ( Scope )
either that or an Optics slot.

I like this idea.

However would it be possible to put a Scope, a Heat Sink (reduces the heat build up) and a Silencer on an HMG?

Very good idea, Amadi, as common with you.

Although this has holes in it, I do not know if you used the Assault Rifle to cover up said holes or because it was the first rifle that came to mind.

The Rail Rifle, if tactical, will it need to charge? What alteration with be added for Breach?
The Scrambler, will tactical keeps it's ungodly charge? Hpw will Breach and Burst work?

Weapons like Nova Knives, how will this affect them?
Bolt Pistol, Flaylock, Ion Pistol [Charge], and Nova Knives, will they be affected by this?

Should a module be used to decrease say the ScR's heat build up, would the RR get a module to redule charge up time? So on and so forth.

I like the idea, I really do, and I hope it gets added in after the holes are filled.

Amadi, I would like this to be addressed.

Can't see why not. Couple of weapons have sights with variations that, incidentally, don't.

All the standard rifles have a variant with and without the sight.
Laser Rifles at one point -did not- have the Scrambler Sight.

Just a few cases.

You've made a really awesome proposal, Aeon, and that concept picture is exactly how I imagined customizing weapons would be. I just have one question if it has not yet been asked. Would a fire-mode mod be required for the weapon to function?

Oh my. You mean I can make my standard 'Toxin' Assault rifle a semi-automatic prototype? I'm sold.

CCP, I want you to know that I would spend all of my money if you gave us pointless cosmetics for our guns, much less all those AUR powercores.

Yeah I've been calling for this forever. Nice job putting it all together though! Looks great.

Not sure if I missed it but adding weapon customization mods should increase the capacity costs of the weapons when fitted to the dropsuit. This would ensure some level of balancing while still keeping people's options open. Example: what if I don't want any weapon mods so I can fit a low capacity weapon?

Seriously what kind of fps doesn't have weapon customization. It's pretty much the sole reason behind CODs success over the years. Add it to dust and I'm sure it'll spark many newbies interest.

Any chance this would lead to the introduction of new ammo types, like Flux and Smoke rounds for Mass Drivers and Flaylocks? Possibly the use of something like HV (high velocity) ammo in rifles that result in higher RoF and damage but a smaller clip and the chance of jamming the rifle if fired full auto for too long?

PLEASE BE SURE TO READ THE EDIT AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST

http://i.imgur.com/yjfjClK.png

Overall the concept is just to give a bit more freedom in our weaponry but I also feel like it could maybe borrow from where we're going with the Dropsuits in that it'd kill off unnecessary variations of the same thing (Assault Rifle, 'Blindfire' Assault Rifle, Federal Assault Rifle, etc) . BPO's could easily enough just have the modules permanently built-in and not require any additional components.

CONCEPT:
Every weapon starts out with it's baseline stats (in this case, a standard Assault Rifle).

Damage: 30.90 HP
Rate of Fire: 800.00 RPM
Clip Size: 70
Max. Ammo: 350
Reload Time: 3.00s

MODULAR FUNCTIONALITY THROUGH COMPONENTS:
A - The weapon being customized.
B - The weapon's fire-mode. In this case the applied Component makes it semi-automatic (a Tactical AR).
C - The weapon's power core. This determines it's performance as it would have been in a power-level
----------------------> (MLT/STD/ADV/PROTO/Specialist/Experimental/Officer). In this case, I'm using a Proto power-core.
D - The weapon's SKIN. Because I love PYRUS ARs but I hate only being able to get them through boxes.
E - The weapon's driver component. This could be used to reduce the skill necessity - Aurum and Loyalty Store models would have these built in since they're intended to be used with lower skill requirements. In this case, I'd be using an 'Aurum Driver Component' to reduce the skill level down to Assault Rifle Operation 3, instead of 5.
F - The weapon's accessory component. Intended to be more for function than performance. In this case, a scope.

OUTCOME:
The Fire-mode component determines that it is a Tactical Assault Rifle.
The Power Core component determines that it is a Prototype in performance.
The SKIN is white.
The Driver Component is an 'Aurum' driver, reducing skill requirement.
The weapon's accessory component is a scope.

In this case I've made the equivalent of a 'Codewish' Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle, just with a white SKIN.

HOW YOU GET IT ON YOUR SUIT:
Separate window UI specifically for weapon customization. You save the respective weapon, name it, then apply it as you would normally in the fitting screen - but now with less 'lists' of weapons as they'd only be 'frames'. The weapon is unique to you.

HOW SALVAGE COULD BE HANDLED:
Simple enough. The base weapon 'frame' gets dropped, as do the components, rather than a bunch of different variations that we'll just wind up selling anyway.

POSSIBLE CRAFTING?:
Could even use some of the Battle Salvage (Broken Optronic Sight, Crushed Magazine Housing) to 'restore' parts and apply them to your weapon.

Feel free to discuss, just wanted to get the concept out there as I saw it.

EDIT: There's a lot of merit in this post. My proposal adds a lot of unnecessary fluff with stuff like components and the like but what we honestly and truly need is just a simple system that offers:

Weapon Frame
Power Core
SKIN

This would reduce the amount of available weapons considerably since there are almost 50 different Assault Rifles that all offer largely similar performance to one another. By separating them into these three categories, we reduce that number to just 4.

Spreadsheet outlining pretty much everything available here

Try not to but what with work, school, and the fact that every time I come back here I see a handful of 'Let's hate on Aeon Amadi for #reasons' posts/threads, kinda don't really care for the forums all that much anymore.

Got little time and would rather not spend that time trying to talk to people who couldn't really care what I have to say.

You have these bad ass ideas, yet when I play with you, it sounds as if you hate the game...

Awww poor baby. Are you a child or a baby. I hope your not because you have good ideas. They dont like it well **** them. You know what **** all of them.

Dont let those people get you down. Your better than them.

Noticed the cpm tag is gone from your names what happened?

This post existed before he became CPM, in fact if you find the olds posts from CPM 0 and CPM 1, you will notice they still have their CPM tags.

Right right. CPM tags are only valid after the initiation ritual of being submerged in butter for a period of twenty-four hours and a rigorous evaluation test has been given.