DUST Search - The -legitimate- easiest way to fix Shields

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:

You know what's funny?

People say that Shields need a buff, yet in the last 30 days, the Assault CK.0 had the highest K/D of all the Assault suits.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=202296&find=unread

Ever seen a Caldari Assault with Myros and Armor Tank?

CommanderBolt wrote:

Just throwing this out there,

The whole Shields have less HP than Armour thing comes from EVE and just like in EVE, we have regen mods, repair mods etc...

However we are missing two key factors from EVE that helps keep shields and armour fairly balanced.

Resistance mods, (In EVE shields generally achieve higher resists compared to armour in exchange for less raw HP and less of a speed penalty, if any)

Shield transfer tools (A shield Repair tool variant essentially, most likely not identical to the armour stats)

Shield transporters will be useless because of the simple fact that if we buffed shield recharge modules the person you're trying to regen the shields of would have already been at full health by the time you got there.

Resistance modules are unnecessary at the moment. It's a cool concept but right now it'd just throw a pipewrench into balancing. People would just stack resistance modules against the weapons designed against their defense (armor/shields) and let the passive resistances handle the rest.

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Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10161	Posted - 2015.05.14 01:57:00 - [31] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Wondrous thread, Aeon. I believe there should be a damage threshold for shields that is around 9-13 damage. Also, the buffs you stated, I think they will certainly do. IMO, Caldari should be a pain in the ass to deal with just because you can't actually make them dead because of recovery rate. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
sir RAVEN WING 3590	Posted - 2015.05.14 02:07:00 - [32] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Wondrous thread, Aeon. I believe there should be a damage threshold for shields that is around 9-13 damage. Also, the buffs you stated, I think they will certainly do. IMO, Caldari should be a pain in the ass to deal with just because you can't actually make them dead because of recovery rate. There is a slight problem with their design. They are meant to take cover, and now it is near impossible unless at max RR range. (In which case their weapon will likely not damage you enough to give you the need to duck behind cover. Cover also reveals a good bit of head. Day 6/30 Calscout Knifer/Last of A Kind/Sneaky
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 1690	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:08:00 - [33] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Yes to buffing energisers and rechargers. Probably best not to buff base regen. No to nerfing scramblers, they are fine. >implying they are fine pleb I didn't imply anything, I said they are fine. If you're going to greentext me, do it right. Still >implying Scramblers vs shields are a joke. Also by that I mean I laugh when I shoot shielded suits. Closed beta vet. Master troll. No lifer. /Moon'er. /sun tolerator and visitor. Master lurker.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9694	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:15:00 - [34] - Quote Or increase the drawbacks of stacking brick. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
ReGnYuM Carne Con Papas 3714	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:26:00 - [35] - Quote Damage threshold is honestly the way to go IMO. The shield Regulator Mod should also help play into increasing your threshold. Shield Tankers (inf) should be running a combination of extenders, regulators, and boosters. Current shield meta, is extenders with plates that don't restrict too much mobility.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 851	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:55:00 - [36] - Quote Just had an idea. Shield transporter, like a rep tool but very quickly moves your shield to a friendly target. Bonuses and higher tiers could add a multiplyer, such as: shields given = 2x shields lost, for example. So you could quickly regen a friendly's shields, then retreat to regen your own. High personal recharge would be a must. Imagine if we had corps that choose to field either a shield doctrine or an armour doctrine.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10182	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:56:00 - [37] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Or nerf the other side of the equation. Decrease benefits and/or increase drawbacks of stacking brick. Would you just admit that you won't be happy until it's impossible to viably armor tank so you can have your CoD knock-off? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Michael Arck 6241	Posted - 2015.05.14 15:06:00 - [38] - Quote Great thread here Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9696	Posted - 2015.05.14 15:12:00 - [39] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Or nerf the other side of the equation. Decrease benefits and/or increase drawbacks of stacking brick. Would you just admit that you won't be happy until it's impossible to viably armor tank so you can have your CoD knock-off? Not sure about all that, but I wouldn't mind a 'bit more loadout diversity. 9 of the Top 10 low-slot modules sold are brick-related. Have been since forever. Is the solution to that problem to make 9 of the Top 10 high-slot modules sold shield-related? I think not. I think there should be more to Dust than stacking different flavors of HP. But that's just my opinion. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10184	Posted - 2015.05.14 15:13:00 - [40] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Or nerf the other side of the equation. Decrease benefits and/or increase drawbacks of stacking brick. Would you just admit that you won't be happy until it's impossible to viably armor tank so you can have your CoD knock-off? Not sure about all that, but I wouldn't mind a 'bit more loadout diversity. 9 of the Top 10 low-slot modules sold are brick-related. Have been since forever. Is the solution to that problem to make 9 of the Top 10 high-slot modules sold shield-related? I think not. I think there should be more to Dust than stacking different flavors of HP. But that's just my opinion. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!

Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 651	Posted - 2015.05.14 15:27:00 - [41] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Or nerf the other side of the equation. Decrease benefits and/or increase drawbacks of stacking brick. Would you just admit that you won't be happy until it's impossible to viably armor tank so you can have your CoD knock-off? Not sure about all that, but I wouldn't mind a 'bit more loadout diversity. 9 of the Top 10 low-slot modules sold are brick-related. Have been since forever. Is the solution to that problem to make 9 of the Top 10 high-slot modules sold shield-related? I think not. I think there should be more to Dust than stacking different flavors of HP. But that's just my opinion. Sometimes I envy devs' ability to post gif files Saying what's on people's minds
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5599	Posted - 2015.05.14 16:52:00 - [42] - Quote Are the shield delays fine then? 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 835	Posted - 2015.05.14 18:19:00 - [43] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Are the shield delays fine then? This is an easy one. HELLS NO! On a Calmando it is 8 SECONDS. So even if the threshold is put into place, I need to wait for 8 seconds before I start getting my shields back? Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3502	Posted - 2015.05.14 19:58:00 - [44] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: You know what's funny? People say that Shields need a buff, yet in the last 30 days, the Assault CK.0 had the highest K/D of all the Assault suits. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=202296&find=unread Ever seen a Caldari Assault with Myros and Armor Tank? CommanderBolt wrote: Just throwing this out there, The whole Shields have less HP than Armour thing comes from EVE and just like in EVE, we have regen mods, repair mods etc... However we are missing two key factors from EVE that helps keep shields and armour fairly balanced. Resistance mods, (In EVE shields generally achieve higher resists compared to armour in exchange for less raw HP and less of a speed penalty, if any) Shield transfer tools (A shield Repair tool variant essentially, most likely not identical to the armour stats) Shield transporters will be useless because of the simple fact that if we buffed shield recharge modules the person you're trying to regen the shields of would have already been at full health by the time you got there. Resistance modules are unnecessary at the moment. It's a cool concept but right now it'd just throw a pipewrench into balancing. People would just stack resistance modules against the weapons designed against their defense (armor/shields) and let the passive resistances handle the rest. I understand what you are saying for sure but I feel you are missing another aspect of logistics, repairing while under fire - tanking the damage as it comes in. A repair tool / the logistics class isn't just about patching up after a battle, its about extending your HP pool and what ever other things you can do as much as possible during battles too. How many times has a good logi kept a good heavy just barely alive enough during multiple fights to destroy everything else in its path... Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!


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