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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.05.13 21:02:00 -
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- Buff Energizers/Rechargers
- Possibly buff base Dropsuit recharge across the board
- Iron out damage/DPS on laser weaponry (you buffed it to handle up on the armor meta without thinking about what it'd do to shields???)
Don't try to homogenize shields with armor by increasing HP values, that's not what they're about - shields are about fast recharge and low down-times. Hallmark on this. Make it -worth- diving into cover for a few seconds after you pummel a few rounds into the enemy.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.13 21:05:00 -
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Who takes cover anymore???
itz @ll b0ut d@t $tr@f3 g@m3 mlg sw3g
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.05.13 21:07:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Who takes cover anymore???
itz @ll b0ut d@t $tr@f3 g@m3 mlg sw3g
My bad, I forgot how dumb people can be when they read one thing in a post and miss the entire point of the rest of it. I'll try to do better next time.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:03:00 -
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Something needs to be done. A buff to rechargers and energizers might do it. I'd also like to see a shield threshold of like 5 damage (incoming damage below the threshold does not stop regulator or recgarger) ... Said this like a million times now.
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Songs of Seraphim
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:09:00 -
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Plus a shield threshold.
And maybe a buff to regulators (or reduce delay times on shield suits while eliminating the penalty shield extenders currently have).
Is it too much to ask?...
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Eros Adonai
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:09:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Golden Day wrote:Who takes cover anymore???
itz @ll b0ut d@t $tr@f3 g@m3 mlg sw3g My bad, I forgot how dumb people can be when they read one thing in a post and miss the entire point of the rest of it. I'll try to do better next time.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:14:00 -
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Songs of Seraphim wrote:Plus a shield threshold.
And maybe a buff to regulators (or reduce delay times on shield suits while eliminating the penalty shield extenders currently have).
Is it too much to ask?...
The threshold is a must.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:14:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:- Buff Energizers/Rechargers
- Possibly buff base Dropsuit recharge across the board
- Iron out damage/DPS on laser weaponry (you buffed it to handle up on the armor meta without thinking about what it'd do to shields???)
Don't try to homogenize shields with armor by increasing HP values, that's not what they're about - shields are about fast recharge and low down-times. Hallmark on this. Make it -worth- diving into cover for a few seconds after you pummel a few rounds into the enemy.
Agree that hp is not the answer and that refraction time/recharge rate are the way to go.
Boot Booter wrote:Something needs to be done. A buff to rechargers and energizers might do it. I'd also like to see a shield threshold of like 5 damage (incoming damage below the threshold does not stop regulator or recgarger) ... Said this like a million times now.
Scrambler should be 15/-15, but keep laser rifle damage profile in place.
This is all good stuff, in particular the minimum damage threshold.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:25:00 -
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Yes to buffing energisers and rechargers.
Probably best not to buff base regen.
No to nerfing scramblers, they are fine. |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
G0DS AM0NG MEN
New Eden's Heros
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:28:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Yes to buffing energisers and rechargers.
Probably best not to buff base regen.
No to nerfing scramblers, they are fine.
>implying they are fine
pleb
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:39:00 -
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They only buffed the Ascr...
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Archduke Ferd1nand
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:46:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Songs of Seraphim wrote:Plus a shield threshold.
And maybe a buff to regulators (or reduce delay times on shield suits while eliminating the penalty shield extenders currently have).
Is it too much to ask?... The threshold is a must.
When Sgt Kirk advocates for buffing shields, you know theres a problem.
BRB, looking for socks
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:52:00 -
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You know what's funny?
People say that Shields need a buff, yet in the last 30 days, the Assault CK.0 had the highest K/D of all the Assault suits.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=202296&find=unread
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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:54:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
Its easy to have a high KD sitting in the redline.
BRB, looking for socks
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:59:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Yes to buffing energisers and rechargers.
Probably best not to buff base regen.
No to nerfing scramblers, they are fine. >implying they are fine pleb
I didn't imply anything, I said they are fine.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:03:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
Dreis buddy, do you even stats bro?
Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
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Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:06:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
Sniper fits and dual tanking. Caldari having a balanced suit or balanced kdr does not imply that shield tanks are balanced with armor tanks. |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:11:00 -
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Just throwing this out there,
The whole Shields have less HP than Armour thing comes from EVE and just like in EVE, we have regen mods, repair mods etc...
However we are missing two key factors from EVE that helps keep shields and armour fairly balanced.
Resistance mods, (In EVE shields generally achieve higher resists compared to armour in exchange for less raw HP and less of a speed penalty, if any)
Shield transfer tools (A shield Repair tool variant essentially, most likely not identical to the armour stats)
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:22:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Just throwing this out there,
The whole Shields have less HP than Armour thing comes from EVE and just like in EVE, we have regen mods, repair mods etc...
However we are missing two key factors from EVE that helps keep shields and armour fairly balanced.
Resistance mods, (In EVE shields generally achieve higher resists compared to armour in exchange for less raw HP and less of a speed penalty, if any)
Shield transfer tools (A shield Repair tool variant essentially, most likely not identical to the armour stats)
And constant regeneration through damage
Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:23:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
Ever seen a Caldari Assault with Myros and Armor Tank?
CommanderBolt wrote:Just throwing this out there,
The whole Shields have less HP than Armour thing comes from EVE and just like in EVE, we have regen mods, repair mods etc...
However we are missing two key factors from EVE that helps keep shields and armour fairly balanced.
Resistance mods, (In EVE shields generally achieve higher resists compared to armour in exchange for less raw HP and less of a speed penalty, if any)
Shield transfer tools (A shield Repair tool variant essentially, most likely not identical to the armour stats)
Shield transporters will be useless because of the simple fact that if we buffed shield recharge modules the person you're trying to regen the shields of would have already been at full health by the time you got there.
Resistance modules are unnecessary at the moment. It's a cool concept but right now it'd just throw a pipewrench into balancing. People would just stack resistance modules against the weapons designed against their defense (armor/shields) and let the passive resistances handle the rest.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:31:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
Resistance modules are unnecessary at the moment. It's a cool concept but right now it'd just throw a pipewrench into balancing. People would just stack resistance modules against the weapons designed against their defense (armor/shields) and let the passive resistances handle the rest.
Exactly. You would have less total HP against other damage types but you would be able to plug your weaknesses.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:48:00 -
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Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Songs of Seraphim wrote:Plus a shield threshold.
And maybe a buff to regulators (or reduce delay times on shield suits while eliminating the penalty shield extenders currently have).
Is it too much to ask?... The threshold is a must. When Sgt Kirk advocates for buffing shields, you know theres a problem.
Because the countless other threads I have asking for shield buffs and modules dont count because "I'm not a shield player"
Hell, I dont even care for Passive Armor Regeneration.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:52:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Songs of Seraphim wrote:Plus a shield threshold.
And maybe a buff to regulators (or reduce delay times on shield suits while eliminating the penalty shield extenders currently have).
Is it too much to ask?... The threshold is a must. When Sgt Kirk advocates for buffing shields, you know theres a problem. Because the countless other threads I have asking for shield buffs and modules dont count because "I'm not a shield player" Hell, I dont even care for Passive Armor Regeneration.
Pretty much this. People see only what they want to see apparently. S'why you and I are always "Pro-Gallente" is because it's apparently too much to ask to click our names and search through our posts.
People don't even know I'm an Intaki Secessionist which is basically saying the Gallente Federation isn't worth having an entire bloodline.
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Songs of Seraphim
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:54:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
I mayyyyy have skewed the data for Caldari Assault.
And Logistics.
And Sentinel.
Maybe scout.
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thor424
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Posted - 2015.05.14 00:10:00 -
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That penalty on shield extenders was like a ten month delayed reaction to Calogis. Didn't it happen around the same time as the random grenade nerf?
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
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Posted - 2015.05.14 00:48:00 -
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Minimum damage threshold and a buff to repairers is about all that's needed. If we want to add on a buff to extenders I would take it, but we need to take it slow and steady. Don't add so much it throws off the balance.
However, Minimum threshold has to have something done with it.
Here is an example of a situation I had a few days ago. I was running in a Calmando with 1 extender, 1 recharger, and a damage mod. I was even using a Rail Rifle to keep distance from the enemy. I got into a firefight and had my shields wiped with a good chunk of my armor. I took off to find some cover to repair because the reds were closing in. After 5 seconds of running (without any repair being done), the delay reset because I caught 1 round from an SMG from 40 meters away as I was going around a corner ( I am guestimating here but I didn't really lose any shields.)
After sitting around the corner about 3-4 seconds, a guy saw me and started firing on me. I caught a couple rounds before I could get tucked in. That reset it again. He moved and caught me again with a couple rounds (he was using a CR well outside the optimum range). This reset the shield repair a FOURTH TIME! I was able to get tucked in and just started to get my shields to start repairing when the original guy I was fighting came around the corner and polished me off. He chased me down for 20 seconds and I had absolutely no shields back.
We are talking, if you add all that up, almost 30 seconds with no shield repair because of 8-10 rounds that caught me. Add the lack of a minimum threshold to the 8 second base delay on the Calmando suit and I was completely useless to my team for over a minute. All I did by running was prolonging how long it was before I got killed.
It would have been just as good for the team to go kamakaze and try to bum-rush the other team and try and weaken a couple of them them for my teammates before going down.
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.14 00:52:00 -
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And don't allow shield based suits to reach similar amounts of armour as a armour based suit.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.14 01:10:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
Calmandos 7.22 k/d ccp nerf plz  |
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Posted - 2015.05.14 01:19:00 -
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Wondrous thread, Aeon.
I believe there should be a damage threshold for shields that is around 9-13 damage.
Also, the buffs you stated, I think they will certainly do.
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.14 01:55:00 -
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Shield suits have high K/D cuz the cool kids use 'em
Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons
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