DUST Search - Question for GalAssault + Rail Rifle users

Aeon Amadi wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

But that doesn't change the fact that the -intended design- is not being used.

No it does not.

However not everyone is content with an incredibly short range rifle even if they do like the Gallentean Dropsuits aesthetics, themes, etc. I figure if the rifle itself were better then the suit and rifle combo would be better.

Also I don't know about you but I always felt the dispersion reduction bonus was a nerf for CQC fighting.

I do, honestly I feel that dispersion should be a thing for weapon mods not permanent skill-changes.

But, even still, the intended design for the suit was CQC fighting, such is the nature of the Gallente Assault and the Assault Rifle - if the favorable fit is the same suit, designed for CQC, with a long-range rifle? There's something pretty critically wrong going on. Incidentally, I'm seeing a lot of Caldari Assaults running armor and assault rifles. It's like there's been a complete role-reversal.

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Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10086	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:47:00 - [1] - Quote Why? What do we need to fix to encourage the use of proper racial combinations? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
VAHZZ 2053	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:48:00 - [2] - Quote This is a disgusting combo, i can not believe what I'm hearing.... "I bring nothing; I bless nothing, I save nothing, I just; erase. Completely. Shatter."
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10086	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:49:00 - [3] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: This is a disgusting combo, i can not believe what I'm hearing.... Top Gallente Assault PC combo and it's the only thing I see in FW lately. Apparently it's more viable than a Gal Assault with intended weaponry. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Anvil 1 Chemical Renegades Inc. New Eden's Heros 3	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:52:00 - [4] - Quote I've used it a few times, I'm not good with a gallente let me add, it's a bad combo haha, Still it works though. "There is only two things you should fear. Time, and fear itself. it appears you're out of time though." - Unknown
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix RUST415 807	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:52:00 - [5] - Quote Seeing as how hybrid weapons are what gallente use, it is a proper racial combo. I use the AR more because i like it but the ARR is better in almost every way.
GeorgeN76 Senshi Slayers 37	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:52:00 - [6] - Quote I see this in fw alot as well Scouts and Swarms
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1734	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:53:00 - [7] - Quote It annoys me when i see this but some how i cant find the secret of using a ar on a caldar iassault (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
7th Son 7 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1033	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:54:00 - [8] - Quote CCP is ensuring armor rules, + 50 on that 1st tier repair/nanohive?! c'mon. Armor 514 Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10086	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:56:00 - [9] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Seeing as how hybrid weapons are what gallente use, it is a proper racial combo. I use the AR more because i like it but the ARR is better in almost every way. Dude, how many people still believe this? Read the Gallente Assault Skill description, it applies to HYBRID - BLASTERS, it does NOT apply to Rail Rifles. Like, seriously, this placebo effect was funny on the AR (because it doesn't reduce dispersion) but on the Rail it's just hilarious. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix RUST415 808	Posted - 2015.05.13 02:59:00 - [10] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Seeing as how hybrid weapons are what gallente use, it is a proper racial combo. I use the AR more because i like it but the ARR is better in almost every way. Dude, how many people still believe this? Read the Gallente Assault Skill description, it applies to HYBRID - BLASTERS, it does NOT apply to Rail Rifles. Like, seriously, this placebo effect was funny on the AR (because it doesn't reduce dispersion) but on the Rail it's just hilarious. i know what the bonus applies to, however Gallente use rails and blasters and no one mentioned the bonus on the suit, i just said the ARR is better. So technically it is a racial combination

Droopy Bawlz myrtle beach leap frogz 167	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:06:00 - [11] - Quote Get ready for the min Logi shotgun fotm. Nerf coming to assaults. Switching speeds between the two. I ran a min Logi in the gal research facility during Dom and went 35\14. 2 complex kin cats runs at 9.15 I think. Has 2 sets proto links..re's..nanos. pretty effective Been seeing them more and more in pc. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18994	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:09:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Why? What do we need to fix to encourage the use of proper racial combinations? Why not? You know the Gallente get bonuses to both Blaster and Railguns and often times certain Gallentean ships can fulfil interesting roles making use of Rails like the Navy Comet (answer to the Slicer in AM/Min WZ) kiting Catalysts, etc. More to the point it is a correct racial combination since they developed they technology originally. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10087	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:10:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Why? What do we need to fix to encourage the use of proper racial combinations? Why not? You know the Gallente get bonuses to both Blaster and Railguns and often times certain Gallentean ships can fulfil interesting roles making use of Rails like the Navy Comet (answer to the Slicer in AM/Min WZ) kiting Catalysts, etc. More to the point it is a correct racial combination since they developed they technology originally. o.o; they don't get bonuses to rail-tech in Dust 514.... I mean, (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18994	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:11:00 - [14] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Why? What do we need to fix to encourage the use of proper racial combinations? Why not? You know the Gallente get bonuses to both Blaster and Railguns and often times certain Gallentean ships can fulfil interesting roles making use of Rails like the Navy Comet (answer to the Slicer in AM/Min WZ) kiting Catalysts, etc. More to the point it is a correct racial combination since they developed they technology originally. o.o; they don't get bonuses to rail-tech in Dust 514.... I mean, Re-read my edited post. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5214	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:12:00 - [15] - Quote Fix the cal assault, I'm not gonna run my favorite weapon on a pos suit Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1269	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:14:00 - [16] - Quote I've been seeing a lot of MinAssaults running around with Scrambler Rifles lately. Makes me sick. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10087	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:14:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Why? What do we need to fix to encourage the use of proper racial combinations? Why not? You know the Gallente get bonuses to both Blaster and Railguns and often times certain Gallentean ships can fulfil interesting roles making use of Rails like the Navy Comet (answer to the Slicer in AM/Min WZ) kiting Catalysts, etc. More to the point it is a correct racial combination since they developed they technology originally. o.o; they don't get bonuses to rail-tech in Dust 514.... I mean, Re-read my edited post. But that doesn't change the fact that the -intended design- is not being used. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18994	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:16:00 - [18] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: But that doesn't change the fact that the -intended design- is not being used. No it does not. However not everyone is content with an incredibly short range rifle even if they do like the Gallentean Dropsuits aesthetics, themes, etc. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix RUST415 809	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:22:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: But that doesn't change the fact that the -intended design- is not being used. No it does not. However not everyone is content with an incredibly short range rifle even if they do like the Gallentean Dropsuits aesthetics, themes, etc. I figure if the rifle itself were better then the suit and rifle combo would be better. Also I don't know about you but I always felt the dispersion reduction bonus was a nerf for CQC fighting. Totally agree.
nelo kazuma THE LAST H0PE. RUST415 169	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:25:00 - [20] - Quote Weeeellll main reason that started this combo is lack of enemy shield characters on field. Most people now are either amar gal and minmattar. Sooooo ar useless against other gal and amr obviously. Against min their very affective but most min speed tank and run more armor than shield so guess what it can knock out shield but most minmattars speed lead to strafe battles and unless your nailing every shot strafe war wise a min usually wins ( few exceptions of course).since most dont run decent shield doesnt take much to knock out shield with rail rifle and it chews through armor fairly easy but its supposed to its the alpha armor weapon. I personally love ar against min works wonders. Amar would probably be doing the same if scr did its proper and I mean proper damage against armor not the ridiculous dmg its doing right now to both. If this isnt an obvious sign of how imbalanced shields are this is it. An ar against shields is great and its doing its proper dmg against armor scr should be at same if not lower armor dmg. Allot of the community run armor characters so im not surprised to see this happening. -_- plus gal are dirty thieves lol

Droopy Bawlz myrtle beach leap frogz 168	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:25:00 - [21] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: I've been seeing a lot of MinAssaults running around with Scrambler Rifles lately. Makes me sick. Probably ascr too. Becuz they are speed\shield tanked. The ascr is a perfect counter to the min. Assaults (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 580	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:39:00 - [22] - Quote I use AR maybe 50% of the time, ARR about 50% the time on my gallente assault suits. I generally find that damage mods really make up for the ARR penalty against shields much more than they help make up for the AR penalty vs armor, especially since its easier to stack armor than shields. Plus the added bonus of eating through armor that much more quickly. Tools like flux grenades also make shields a null factor, or supporting fire from team mates. The extra range doesnt hurt either, but they're also not hard to aim in close range either. I don't really see much bonus to use the AR on the gallente assault, or see much penalty for using the ARR or RR on it either. I do generally try to keep my engagements in the short range anyways since aiming at far away targets is a pain, so I'm not one of those people that thinks the AR needs a range buff, it really just needs a DPS buff.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10091	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:42:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: But that doesn't change the fact that the -intended design- is not being used. No it does not. However not everyone is content with an incredibly short range rifle even if they do like the Gallentean Dropsuits aesthetics, themes, etc. I figure if the rifle itself were better then the suit and rifle combo would be better. Also I don't know about you but I always felt the dispersion reduction bonus was a nerf for CQC fighting. I do, honestly I feel that dispersion should be a thing for weapon mods not permanent skill-changes. But, even still, the intended design for the suit was CQC fighting, such is the nature of the Gallente Assault and the Assault Rifle - if the favorable fit is the same suit, designed for CQC, with a long-range rifle? There's something pretty critically wrong going on. Incidentally, I'm seeing a lot of Caldari Assaults running armor and assault rifles. It's like there's been a complete role-reversal. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18996	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:44:00 - [24] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: But that doesn't change the fact that the -intended design- is not being used. No it does not. However not everyone is content with an incredibly short range rifle even if they do like the Gallentean Dropsuits aesthetics, themes, etc. I figure if the rifle itself were better then the suit and rifle combo would be better. Also I don't know about you but I always felt the dispersion reduction bonus was a nerf for CQC fighting. Totally agree. Ugh that sentence...... What I meant to say was that if the weapon itself is improved upon to where it commands respect in its role of short range DPS and becomes that ubiquitous service rifle it was meant to be then the suit-rifle combination would certainly be a fair bit more popular. Also touching on that last comment again I find that in CQC you do not necessarily want an incredibly tight spread of rounds as it makes it more difficult in a short range strafe-off to put bullets into your opponent. However I am sure it helps for mid-ranged combat. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18996	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:51:00 - [25] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: But that doesn't change the fact that the -intended design- is not being used. No it does not. However not everyone is content with an incredibly short range rifle even if they do like the Gallentean Dropsuits aesthetics, themes, etc. I figure if the rifle itself were better then the suit and rifle combo would be better. Also I don't know about you but I always felt the dispersion reduction bonus was a nerf for CQC fighting. I do, honestly I feel that dispersion should be a thing for weapon mods not permanent skill-changes. But, even still, the intended design for the suit was CQC fighting, such is the nature of the Gallente Assault and the Assault Rifle - if the favorable fit is the same suit, designed for CQC, with a long-range rifle? There's something pretty critically wrong going on. Incidentally, I'm seeing a lot of Caldari Assaults running armor and assault rifles. It's like there's been a complete role-reversal. Not sure I can answer why this is done however I can say that in my time using the AR on a non-Gallentean Assault (yes I like to use it on my Amarr Assault) that I find it very frustrating to be tickling another suit at range while they are tearing holes in my armour. Armour Meta? Sights? Range? Sub-Optimal DPS for a hybrid blaster? Personal preference? Also never underestimate my personal favourite..... Gun is just plain more satisfying to use. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7502	Posted - 2015.05.13 04:11:00 - [26] - Quote It doesn't matter what weapon you use on that suit since the bonus isn't even good. Also, the bonus only works while hipfiring lol. You can't utilize the kick decrease while in ADS for laser accuracy. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 703	Posted - 2015.05.13 04:49:00 - [27] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Why? What do we need to fix to encourage the use of proper racial combinations? Make the Gal Assault bonus not trash? Im not sure why people run them like that though, personally I think the rail rifle is trash and the ARR is just barely acceptable.
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 387	Posted - 2015.05.13 04:57:00 - [28] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: CCP is ensuring armor rules, + 50 on that 1st tier repair/nanohive?! c'mon. Armor 514 that's a repper for between fights, it is almost useless in firefights because you cant straff without losing reps, 1 grenade kills the nanohive and injures/kills you. The ACR and Prof v works well with krins damage mods and a caldari assault with damps.
WeapondigitX V7 The Exemplars 387	Posted - 2015.05.13 05:07:00 - [29] - Quote Droopy Bawlz wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: I've been seeing a lot of MinAssaults running around with Scrambler Rifles lately. Makes me sick. Probably ascr too. Becuz they are speed\shield tanked. The ascr is a perfect counter to the min. Assaults Perhaps some players like the minmatar assault suit but don't care about which weapon they use, so they stick with a minmatar suit and use a ASCR or SCR. The game was designed as a sand box where out of the norm suits do have advantages and normal suit combinations have other different advantages. Reducing the reload time on the AR (quicker reload) by approx 20% or giving it a scope with the same zoom as a TAR or burstAR, or giving a reload speed buff and giving a scope would heavily incentize the use of the AR because it already has many CQC superior stats. Additionally it would be easier to achieve the highest performance of that AR by minimalizing player gun aiming error with a high scope zoom etc. The AR would be extremely good at 0-45m range engagements then.
Henrietta Unknown Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1405	Posted - 2015.05.13 06:19:00 - [30] - Quote Yeah, near everyone runs armor-based weapons because the opponents are armor-based. You wanted shield suits to be fodder, so now you have to deal with an armor meta. It's smart but aesthetically disgusting. The GalAss w/ ARR beating the same suit w/ AR or MinAss w/ AScr beating the same suit w/ ACR. I don't suppose this should be intended. Fix shields > Less of ARMOR 514 > Greater prevalence and application of shield weapons to counter newly-buffed shield suits > Further AR buffs if needed > smiles all around. Selling Items Store - Code Bazaar



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