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JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 631	Posted - 2015.05.11 11:33:00 - [1] - Quote I don't know why they added it in the first place really. Shields are already weak this penalty just makes shields even worse, because its reducing the regen on these suits. sooo First nerf the lolscr fix the threshold in which shields can be stopped from regening remove the shield extender penalty a minor buff to energizers and (I forgot ) But I don't want to see a buff to shield extender hp amount shields are meant to be weaker than armor but rep faster. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 2070	Posted - 2015.05.11 11:37:00 - [2] - Quote FOR THE STATE !!!!! ..... The state uf muy nutz . Doubts are like bothersome flies and should be treated as such and crushed . #PubsShouldBeRandomPlayers
Fluffy Exterminatus Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 26	Posted - 2015.05.11 11:43:00 - [3] - Quote good luck getting shields balanced while galratti is in charge at least min ass can dual tank being bitchy gets attention Blood flows. Death comes. War rages (Verified/Certified and Insured by Djinn Kujo and KingThunderBlueballs)
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game RUST415 830	Posted - 2015.05.11 11:57:00 - [4] - Quote Perhaps energizers / rechargers could do with a buff. I don't agree that shields are bad though.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16572	Posted - 2015.05.11 12:35:00 - [5] - Quote lol "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10000	Posted - 2015.05.11 12:58:00 - [6] - Quote The delay penalty of shield extenders does feel like a punch in the mouth considering the LOL-worthy amounts of HP a extender provides. Either increase the HP offered by the extender, and keep the penalty OR half the delay penalty and keep the HP as is. I can't speak on rechargers. Are they really that bad? @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Michael Arck 6238	Posted - 2015.05.11 13:07:00 - [7] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: The delay penalty of shield extenders does feel like a punch in the mouth considering the LOL-worthy amounts of HP a extender provides. Either increase the HP offered by the extender, and keep the penalty OR half the delay penalty and keep the HP as is. I can't speak on rechargers. Are they really that bad? Do I see a run at the CPM in the future? Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10000	Posted - 2015.05.11 13:12:00 - [8] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Do I see a run at the CPM in the future? Probably, if they ever announce CPM2... Also, you have me my 10,000th Like @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 313	Posted - 2015.05.11 13:18:00 - [9] - Quote Perhaps making the penalty reduction could be the skill? Ebola makes me feel all warm and squishy inside.
Michael Arck 6239	Posted - 2015.05.11 13:18:00 - [10] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Do I see a run at the CPM in the future? Probably, if they ever announce CPM2... Also, you have me my 10,000th Like Nice one bruv!!! Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain

BigStuarty Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2015.05.11 13:31:00 - [11] - Quote I concur that cal shields are OK HP wise but the energisers need an overhaul. But the lolscr doesn't need a nerf it needs to be more racially tied on the heat build up. For instance on a cal you should have the speed and shield regen against a slow armour tanked amarrian rather then a gal scout wielding it without penalty. But alas we all know what a strange little tool called the bolt pistolcan be ....give the cal more recent but buff the amarrian speed ...sic ...
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5568	Posted - 2015.05.11 14:12:00 - [12] - Quote A single complex regulator is more than enough. You should be glad that regs are not high slot modules, like how kin cats are low slot mods (counteracts the speed penalty) 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 636	Posted - 2015.05.11 14:27:00 - [13] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: A single complex regulator is more than enough. You should be glad that regs are not high slot modules, like how kin cats are low slot mods (counteracts the speed penalty) Bro I think this thread is for dedicated cal players. Saying what's on people's minds
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8612	Posted - 2015.05.11 14:39:00 - [14] - Quote I agree and disagree at the same time. By the way I'm mostly calsent. Running sentinel and assault are like night and day, so a lot of the standard problems you soak up on cal assault and logis don't apply to the sentinel. Especially with the changes to the AHMG. I'm actually right on the border of advocating the removal of shield recharge delay entirely on caldari and minmatar suits. Mostly because of a few issues between shield and armor tanking. I do run both armor and shield suits so the disparity between the two is real but I think that a few minor, but solid changes could fix most of the problems. Combine this with the lack of a shield logi (we aren't getting one) and the fact that the scrambler rifles have been buffed to compete in a meta dominated by armor and the problem comes together. I have a few ideas, and removing the extender penalty is one of them. But I don't think the 6% proto extender penalty is going to fix the problem. Your mileage may vary. By the way, if you try to drive other players from the debate who will be affected by any meta change this thread will die untouched by devs. It will be written off as an echo chamber. I would prefer to see at least one thread become useful to the community as a whole on the topic. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10010	Posted - 2015.05.11 16:22:00 - [15] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I'm actually right on the border of advocating the removal of shield recharge delay entirely on caldari and minmatar suits. I have considered the implications slashing the Caldari recharge delay by 25% while buffing the recharge rate by 20%. Essentially, shields have lower HP and thus would remain terribad at sustaining fire for long periods, but great at peek-a-boo skirmishing and flanking. No changes to the Minmatar dropsuits. They have demonstrated how effective they are with their hybrid tank + high mobility style. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8625	Posted - 2015.05.11 16:33:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I'm actually right on the border of advocating the removal of shield recharge delay entirely on caldari and minmatar suits. I have considered the implications slashing the Caldari recharge delay by 25% while buffing the recharge rate by 20%. Essentially, shields have lower HP and thus would remain terribad at sustaining fire for long periods, but great at peek-a-boo skirmishing and flanking. No changes to the Minmatar dropsuits. They have demonstrated how effective they are with their hybrid tank + high mobility style. The reason I consider it is because caldari have the best shield regen values. The matari dropsuits will fall instantly back into line if inertia is introduced or strafe speed is universally dropped back to chromosome level speeds. The wiggle glitch is the only thing keeping minmatar suits as "best in class." If rattati rips the bandaid off that problem solves itself. But the reason I consider removing delay is because shields have shallower HP pools by as much as 40% reduction compared to armor even with full extender racks. I'm pretty sure my calsent caps out at 70% in shields of an amsent or galsents armor. Add to this passive armor reps have no delay and rep through incoming fire. Now some nerd is going to dive facefirst on this crying OP. But even a calsent running 80 recovery/sec might last three seconds under sustained fire. This advantage is rapidly eliminated by scram DPS running at 700-ish. slightly longer vs. Plasma weapons. But since the odds of shields getting a rep tool run somewhere between "no" and "in accordance with prophecy..." It might be the answer, even if we change nothing else. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10649	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:48:00 - [17] - Quote At the present time there really wasn't a good reason to add in a penalty yet. "because armor has a penalty" was pretty much the mentality at the time. This communities vindictiveness on play styles other then their own is a major hindrance to addressing the real issues. "OH OBJECT X IS SOO OP! I WANT THAT NERFED INTO USELESSNESS!" **** THE CLEAR BIAS! I WANT IT USELESS! Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10649	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:51:00 - [18] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: A single complex regulator is more than enough. You should be glad that regs are not high slot modules, like how kin cats are low slot mods (counteracts the speed penalty) Bro I think this thread is for dedicated cal players. That mentality right there is another thing that's wrong with the community. "Oh you're not one of us, therefore you have absolutely no kind of worth in this conversation" Leave that attitude in the mainstream media. Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 1168	Posted - 2015.05.11 19:58:00 - [19] - Quote I've been running a CalAssault almost exclusively for the past few weeks and while I do see room for improvement, the shield extender penalty definitely isn't the main issue. I generally run a C/1 with two regulators, a recharger and an ARR. As long as you stay close to cover the suit can stand up to almost anything. I especially enjoy being effective against HMG Sents because I can kite them easily and regen way faster than they do. (A notable exception being a CalSent. Always carry fluxes!) In my opinion ScRs and AScRs are the things that stop shield tanking from being a thing. ScRs are powerful enough to be used effectively against armor suits. Shield tankers take 50% more damage from ScRs than armor tankers. Try making that work.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7473	Posted - 2015.05.11 20:00:00 - [20] - Quote Mfw most Caldari Assaults have more shields than I do armor. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!

Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6548	Posted - 2015.05.11 20:05:00 - [21] - Quote It was added in the first place because shields were OP at the time. Some details can be ignored
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2749	Posted - 2015.05.11 21:06:00 - [22] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I'm actually right on the border of advocating the removal of shield recharge delay entirely on caldari and minmatar suits. I have considered the implications slashing the Caldari recharge delay by 25% while buffing the recharge rate by 20%. Essentially, shields have lower HP and thus would remain terribad at sustaining fire for long periods, but great at peek-a-boo skirmishing and flanking. No changes to the Minmatar dropsuits. They have demonstrated how effective they are with their hybrid tank + high mobility style. Reasonable changes that fit Caldari shield tech lore - i think we have enough evidence that shields need some added viability. Focusing on refraction time buffs & recharge rate allow us to avaid the damage that hp inflation would inflict on past balancing efforts. Not comfortable with your assessment of Minmatar dropsuits: agree that in a practical sense they are strong now, it's only a coincidence - if fps were increased such that the game could keep up with minsault & scouts the suit would be revealed as the weakest of the bunch. Again. It's a sad state of affairs when a suit's tank depends on the game engine's defects. So if Minmatar base speed ever gets nerfed or if frame rate increases, Minmatar will need some of that shield buff too. It's as much a natural fit for their fighting style as it is for the Caldari's tech superiority. Lastly, want to see what Rattati does with the SR before seriously getting on the shield buff tour bus. PSN: RationalSpark
Arirana Negative-Feedback. 957	Posted - 2015.05.11 21:24:00 - [23] - Quote I mostly shield tank, and I think the penalty actually does shield tankers more good than harm. The shield suits have a lower depleted recharge delay than armor suits, thus the penalty doesn't add as much time to the delay. The penalty actually hurts armor suits more because of their already extremely long shield recharge delays, and poor shield tank ceiling to prevent depleted shields. So taking away the penalty will actually make shield tanking on armor suits more viable and help armor suits more. Also, increasing the amount of HP shield extenders will buff shield tanking for both shield suits and armor suits, I'm sure the goal is to bring shield suits in line with armor suits. I say if anything is to be changed, all shield suits should receive -20% recharge and depleted recharge delay, and maybe increase it for the armor suits so the disparity is better felt for the proper roles. And if shield extenders must be changed, they should cost more cpu and less pg for better fitting capability on pg starved shield tank fits and worse fitting capability on armor tank fits The Official Ari QQ Thread
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 633	Posted - 2015.05.11 21:26:00 - [24] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It was added in the first place because shields were OP at the time. Shields total HP was nerfed prior to this might be what your talking about but the reason shields got hit so hard is because armor users at the time said it was op because extenders had no penalty but they did without thinking about shields CCP got on there knees and nerfed us. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 633	Posted - 2015.05.11 21:35:00 - [25] - Quote After hearing all of your responses, even Cat mercs lol,I believe the extender should remain, but Caldari suits, mostly calassaults, calmandos, and calsents, should get a bonus of -20% to -25% to sheild recharge delay and depleted recharge relay. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
VAHZZ 1992	Posted - 2015.05.11 21:41:00 - [26] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: After hearing all of your responses, even Cat mercs lol,I believe the extender should remain, but Caldari suits, mostly calassaults, calmandos, and calsents, should get a bonus of -20% to -25% to sheild recharge delay and depleted recharge relay. Caldari Suit honestly need something better than that. The Caldari may be the "favorite" race, but they are treated like the red headed step child. I say that bonus you just listed PLUS increased base armor. Add a better Assault bonus, like perhaps 10% to clip size of all rail weaponry. "I bring nothing; I bless nothing, I save nothing, I just; erase. Completely. Shatter." Union of the Serpents OG
Imp Smash Molon Labe. RUST415 829	Posted - 2015.05.11 23:34:00 - [27] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: I don't know why they added it in the first place really. Shields are already weak this penalty just makes shields even worse, because its reducing the regen on these suits. sooo First nerf the lolscr fix the threshold in which shields can be stopped from regening remove the shield extender penalty a minor buff to energizers and (I forgot ) But I don't want to see a buff to shield extender hp amount shields are meant to be weaker than armor but rep faster. This man gets it. There is no reason to have a penalty on extenders. There is no penalty on Ferroscale which is easier to fit and has more hp....
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1703	Posted - 2015.05.11 23:37:00 - [28] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: After hearing all of your responses, even Cat mercs lol,I believe the extender should remain, but Caldari suits, mostly calassaults, calmandos, and calsents, should get a bonus of -20% to -25% to sheild recharge delay and depleted recharge relay. Caldari Suit honestly need something better than that. The Caldari may be the "favorite" race, but they are treated like the red headed step child. I say that bonus you just listed PLUS increased base armor. Add a better Assault bonus, like perhaps 10% to clip size of all rail weaponry. Better idea,less recoil and charge up time on all rail rifle weaponry (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Imp Smash Molon Labe. RUST415 832	Posted - 2015.05.12 01:07:00 - [29] - Quote Golden Day wrote: VAHZZ wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: After hearing all of your responses, even Cat mercs lol,I believe the extender should remain, but Caldari suits, mostly calassaults, calmandos, and calsents, should get a bonus of -20% to -25% to sheild recharge delay and depleted recharge relay. Caldari Suit honestly need something better than that. The Caldari may be the "favorite" race, but they are treated like the red headed step child. I say that bonus you just listed PLUS increased base armor. Add a better Assault bonus, like perhaps 10% to clip size of all rail weaponry. Better idea,less recoil and charge up time on all rail rifle weaponry Right. So other suits can abuse the re- OP'ed RR and Shields don't actually get fixed. Right.
VAHZZ 2003	Posted - 2015.05.12 01:11:00 - [30] - Quote Golden Day wrote: VAHZZ wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: After hearing all of your responses, even Cat mercs lol,I believe the extender should remain, but Caldari suits, mostly calassaults, calmandos, and calsents, should get a bonus of -20% to -25% to sheild recharge delay and depleted recharge relay. Caldari Suit honestly need something better than that. The Caldari may be the "favorite" race, but they are treated like the red headed step child. I say that bonus you just listed PLUS increased base armor. Add a better Assault bonus, like perhaps 10% to clip size of all rail weaponry. Better idea,less recoil and charge up time on all rail rifle weaponry No, that will make RR OP again. **** NO. "I bring nothing; I bless nothing, I save nothing, I just; erase. Completely. Shatter." Union of the Serpents OG

Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1707	Posted - 2015.05.12 01:14:00 - [31] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Golden Day wrote: VAHZZ wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: After hearing all of your responses, even Cat mercs lol,I believe the extender should remain, but Caldari suits, mostly calassaults, calmandos, and calsents, should get a bonus of -20% to -25% to sheild recharge delay and depleted recharge relay. Caldari Suit honestly need something better than that. The Caldari may be the "favorite" race, but they are treated like the red headed step child. I say that bonus you just listed PLUS increased base armor. Add a better Assault bonus, like perhaps 10% to clip size of all rail weaponry. Better idea,less recoil and charge up time on all rail rifle weaponry No, that will make RR OP again. **** NO. Why not?? All other weapons shread my sheilds like nothing why can't I shread thier armor like nothing? less recoil and charge up time on all rail rifle weaponry is a good bonuse for caldari assaults (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Imp Smash Molon Labe. RUST415 832	Posted - 2015.05.12 03:05:00 - [32] - Quote Golden Day wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Golden Day wrote: VAHZZ wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: After hearing all of your responses, even Cat mercs lol,I believe the extender should remain, but Caldari suits, mostly calassaults, calmandos, and calsents, should get a bonus of -20% to -25% to sheild recharge delay and depleted recharge relay. Caldari Suit honestly need something better than that. The Caldari may be the "favorite" race, but they are treated like the red headed step child. I say that bonus you just listed PLUS increased base armor. Add a better Assault bonus, like perhaps 10% to clip size of all rail weaponry. Better idea,less recoil and charge up time on all rail rifle weaponry No, that will make RR OP again. **** NO. Why not?? All other weapons shread my sheilds like nothing why can't I shread thier armor like nothing? less recoil and charge up time on all rail rifle weaponry is a good bonuse for caldari assaults Because it still doesn't address that armor>shields. The armor/shield imbalance is one of the single biggest obstacles we have had with weapon balance. Breaking YOUR weapon to help YOU does nothing to it. Even putting such a ridiculous statement into this thread almost guarantees it will be ignored by devs.
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1712	Posted - 2015.05.12 03:09:00 - [33] - Quote Who said I wanted it in game/be seen by the devs?? I was throwing out a idea to see if he would like it (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 639	Posted - 2015.05.14 02:57:00 - [34] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Because it still doesn't address that armor>shields. The armor/shield imbalance is one of the single biggest obstacles we have had with weapon balance. Breaking YOUR weapon to help YOU does nothing to it. Even putting such a ridiculous statement into this thread almost guarantees it will be ignored by devs. It was just a suggestion just like mine and eveyone else's idea now chill out. Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6338	Posted - 2015.05.14 03:39:00 - [35] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: I don't know why they added it in the first place really. Shields are already weak this penalty just makes shields even worse, because its reducing the regen on these suits. sooo First nerf the lolscr fix the threshold in which shields can be stopped from regening remove the shield extender penalty a minor buff to energizers and (I forgot ) But I don't want to see a buff to shield extender hp amount shields are meant to be weaker than armor but rep faster. ONE Shield Regulator solves it. Just one. Let's move on. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens 1278	Posted - 2015.05.14 04:41:00 - [36] - Quote Golden Day wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Golden Day wrote: VAHZZ wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: After hearing all of your responses, even Cat mercs lol,I believe the extender should remain, but Caldari suits, mostly calassaults, calmandos, and calsents, should get a bonus of -20% to -25% to sheild recharge delay and depleted recharge relay. Caldari Suit honestly need something better than that. The Caldari may be the "favorite" race, but they are treated like the red headed step child. I say that bonus you just listed PLUS increased base armor. Add a better Assault bonus, like perhaps 10% to clip size of all rail weaponry. Better idea,less recoil and charge up time on all rail rifle weaponry No, that will make RR OP again. **** NO. Why not?? All other weapons shread my sheilds like nothing why can't I shread thier armor like nothing? less recoil and charge up time on all rail rifle weaponry is a good bonuse for caldari assaults Less recoil while ADS? Yes. Less recoil while hipfiring? No. Then CalAss and RR will be the new FOTM. We want to stop FOTMs not create new ones. Also Caldari are supposed to have the lowest armor HP. Lower than the Minmatar so Caldari armor is good. Also Caldari armor and Gallente shields mirror each other (if you have both skills at equal) so buffing Caldari armor means a buff to Galente Shields. The Forums are a special place.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19013	Posted - 2015.05.14 05:02:00 - [37] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Less recoil while ADS? Yes. Less recoil while hipfiring? No. Then CalAss and RR will be the new FOTM. We want to stop FOTMs not create new ones. Also Caldari are supposed to have the lowest armor HP. Lower than the Minmatar so Caldari armor is good. Also Caldari armor and Gallente shields mirror each other (if you have both skills at equal) so buffing Caldari armor means a buff to Galente Shields. This ideal is a huge misconception that needs to be cleared up. I really don't think the Cal and Gal should be balanced as mirror images of one another, they are enemies yes but that doesn't have to shoe horn them into these kinds of balance issues. The Caldari are more like are the shield tanking equivalents of the Amarr than the Gallente. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."


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