For armor hardeners for vehicles. I'll say that it certainly changes my game. Very important to activate it well before you hear or take damage. Been jumped a few times and just barely made it out alive.

It's not a HUGE change, but it certainly changes the dynamics of battle for tanks and infantry. Getting a quick jump on an unhardened tank really puts the hurt on, enough that at least two forms of AV can down it even when hardeners come online.

That was exactly the intent. I appreciate the rational feedback.

That was exactly the intent. I appreciate the rational feedback.

Rattati, what is the purpose behind the Shield Hardener change? The cooldown times are now heavily out of sync (60/80/60; instead of progression) making Basic sHardeners the best option.

Is the intention to give sHardeners better cooldown than aHardeners? If so, would 60s base for Basic mean 60/48/36 (45/36/27 with max skill)? That would at least make shields attractive compared to armour.

I have definitely noticed a trend by a lot of drivers to try running into a cluster of infantry with hardeners off.

The results have been fairly spectacular.

My AHMG combined with three assaults lobbing AV nades on the bridge. I had a clear shot at the weakspot.

I don't know why drivers don't activate hardeneers before engaging rather than after the fact. Most of the names I see on the forums tend to be flashing before they fire their guns or before I can charge the forge fully.

That was exactly the intent. I appreciate the rational feedback.

You're hilarious.

Taking two bodies to kill a tank isn't "fine."

That was exactly the intent. I appreciate the rational feedback.

Doesn't really change a lot for me personally having just played three rounds with it. Frankly it really changed nothing and hasn't addressed the issue of Dual Rep and Dual Hardener fits being still incredibly powerful. Especially the Rep fits which I keep telling you have prolific active module per second repair values on a passive module base.

I guess it allows a bit more application of damage initially but not yet convinced that has changed anything.

It almost is. Its more like 1.5 bodies to be honest. It depends on how quickly you want the job done.

To clarify, because tanks have mobility and can utilize cover, no matter how much damage one AV guy can do, having that extra teamate do nothing but toss AV nades at a tank helps tremendously.

And if/when you catch a tank with all hardeners on cooldown its very easy to solo.

If i had to grade the balance as it currently seems to be, hardeners off, solo kill. 1 hardener on, solo is bit tricky, and needs a bit of help. 2 hardeners on and mobile, you'll need a second good AV guy at least. 3 AV guys, and no tank can stick around.

With matchmaking as it is currently, very few fights that i have been in (played roughly 8 hourse of the last 48) have just one AV guy gunning for vehicles. I'm in matches where people have the SP for an very good AV fit and dont thinkg twice about ganing up on either me in a dropship/ tank or the enemy tank.

Anectdotal i know, but i have seen very few "immortal" tanks. Without militia AV to farm or give a distorted picture, tanks are closer to balance than before. Not quite there yet, shield tanks need a little love and armor needs a more creative way to enhance its weakness, but it feels better now.

Heh, of all the hundreds, maybe thousands of posts me and you went through on how to balance tanks, matchmaking may have been the deciding factor. OP tanks vs OP suits.

Getting closer but I'm not exaggerating when I say Advanced madrugars are capable of being unkillable. And I don't bother with anything less than full proto forge fits.

Do me a favor. Check out a fit. Hardener, two ADV plates and a rep. Assuming no shots between the buttcheeks it should be nightmare. Proto hardener and reps of course. That should leave room for a full rack of semi decent mods in the highs. And a PRO blaster.

You can pro the plates but won't be able to fit more than a very cheap mod in the highs.

Math says the fit should be beast mode. I can't fit anything near that level. If you have the time or inclination to risk a Gv.0 for testing lemme know.

You're hilarious.

Taking two bodies to kill a tank isn't "fine."