DUST Search - Nerfed: so this is how it feels.

CCP Rattati wrote:

Banjo Robertson wrote:

tal mrak-thanl wrote:

Then the original design intent was short sighted. The warlords 1.0 jump height was perfect, and never posed any threat as a game breaker. When I put on a 4 myo fit to get uplinks in strategic places, I knew I was going to lose a very expensive suit the moment someone fired at me. The fragility of a jump fit was more than enough of a drawback to limit their usage.

More downside to this "fix": engaging blaster HAVs with a PLC just got 5X harder, no more awesome plc vids from beast or Kirk, rooftop camping just became a thing again...

with minmitar assault getting recent buffs before the myo, and them being unfairly able to equip 4 or 5 myo's in addition to caldari suits being able to equip 4 or 5, there was half the damn suits being at a disadvantage.

Now having said that, I think 3 should be the cap! but I also think the current jump height of 3 should be the old jump height of 5, just sayin, it should be a level playing field for all suits to jump high, and really jump high!

That is a much better way to think about it, meaning, we set a new design intent, and then we work with that.

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tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1006	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:32:00 - [1] - Quote The warlords jump height was the coolest thing to happen since I reg'd. The change in map dynamics and added strategical positioning was just sublime. I never got the hang of using myos in combat to jump over people and fire down, that simply isn't my playstyle as a point defender and blockade breaker. I used myos to get above and behind the enemy to deploy uplinks. Maps like the lag facility, or the train depot will never be the same now. This "fix" is particularly disappointing for the lack of discussion that preceded it. The patch notes make claims about clearly intended goals for the myos finally being met, but I have a clear recollection of rattati, and an overwhelming majority of the player base, being extremely pleased with jump height. Oh well. What really led to this decision to nerf jump height? Was it the smattering of cryhards on the forums complaining about aiming? If so, I guess we can all look forward to a significant ScR nerf in the next hotfix. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9890	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:37:00 - [2] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: What really led to this decision to nerf jump height? Was it the smattering of cryhards on the forums complaining about aiming? Look at this post made long before the myofib changes... He was scaling for 3 myofibs for a long time. That was the original design intent and it's goal was to allow jumping over railing and on top of cargo containers. Community backlash was not the main reason, but it probably was considered. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1006	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:47:00 - [3] - Quote Then the original design intent was short sighted. The warlords 1.0 jump height was perfect, and never posed any threat as a game breaker. When I put on a 4 myo fit to get uplinks in strategic places, I knew I was going to lose a very expensive suit the moment someone fired at me. The fragility of a jump fit was more than enough of a drawback to limit their usage. More downside to this "fix": engaging blaster HAVs with a PLC just got 5X harder, no more awesome plc vids from beast or Kirk, rooftop camping just became a thing again... "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 556	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:53:00 - [4] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Then the original design intent was short sighted. The warlords 1.0 jump height was perfect, and never posed any threat as a game breaker. When I put on a 4 myo fit to get uplinks in strategic places, I knew I was going to lose a very expensive suit the moment someone fired at me. The fragility of a jump fit was more than enough of a drawback to limit their usage. More downside to this "fix": engaging blaster HAVs with a PLC just got 5X harder, no more awesome plc vids from beast or Kirk, rooftop camping just became a thing again... with minmitar assault getting recent buffs before the myo, and them being unfairly able to equip 4 or 5 myo's in addition to caldari suits being able to equip 4 or 5, there was half the damn suits being at a disadvantage. Now having said that, I think 3 should be the cap! but I also think the current jump height of 3 should be the old jump height of 5, just sayin, it should be a level playing field for all suits to jump high, and really jump high!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9892	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:55:00 - [5] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Then the original design intent was short sighted. The warlords 1.0 jump height was perfect, and never posed any threat as a game breaker. When I put on a 4 myo fit to get uplinks in strategic places, I knew I was going to lose a very expensive suit the moment someone fired at me. The fragility of a jump fit was more than enough of a drawback to limit their usage. More downside to this "fix": engaging blaster HAVs with a PLC just got 5X harder, no more awesome plc vids from beast or Kirk, rooftop camping just became a thing again... I think what you are describing is brilliant and I want that in DUST 514 too. I don't want it from a passive module, and I don't think Rattati does either. In the post I linked he mentions jet-packs or "jump jets". It would be a equipment module that must be activated but allows you to get crazy high jumps for periods of time. That would be the ideal implementation of this: periods of ludicrous jump heights. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 21951	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:55:00 - [6] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Then the original design intent was short sighted. The warlords 1.0 jump height was perfect, and never posed any threat as a game breaker. When I put on a 4 myo fit to get uplinks in strategic places, I knew I was going to lose a very expensive suit the moment someone fired at me. The fragility of a jump fit was more than enough of a drawback to limit their usage. More downside to this "fix": engaging blaster HAVs with a PLC just got 5X harder, no more awesome plc vids from beast or Kirk, rooftop camping just became a thing again... with minmitar assault getting recent buffs before the myo, and them being unfairly able to equip 4 or 5 myo's in addition to caldari suits being able to equip 4 or 5, there was half the damn suits being at a disadvantage. Now having said that, I think 3 should be the cap! but I also think the current jump height of 3 should be the old jump height of 5, just sayin, it should be a level playing field for all suits to jump high, and really jump high! That is a much better way to think about it, meaning, we set a new design intent, and then we work with that. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1006	Posted - 2015.05.07 13:58:00 - [7] - Quote That's a damn fine point. I might not have the same opinion about myos if I played Gallenets suits, or Fotm chaser Amarr suits. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6268	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:01:00 - [8] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: That's a damn fine point. I might not have the same opinion about myos if I played Gallenets suits, or Fotm chaser Amarr suits. Two suits, that's it, and you think the whole damn race is OP? Scout..pointless, Commando might as well be a tanked assault, and logi is fine I guess. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1006	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:03:00 - [9] - Quote I was being yeasty. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2977	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:15:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Then the original design intent was short sighted. The warlords 1.0 jump height was perfect, and never posed any threat as a game breaker. When I put on a 4 myo fit to get uplinks in strategic places, I knew I was going to lose a very expensive suit the moment someone fired at me. The fragility of a jump fit was more than enough of a drawback to limit their usage. More downside to this "fix": engaging blaster HAVs with a PLC just got 5X harder, no more awesome plc vids from beast or Kirk, rooftop camping just became a thing again... with minmitar assault getting recent buffs before the myo, and them being unfairly able to equip 4 or 5 myo's in addition to caldari suits being able to equip 4 or 5, there was half the damn suits being at a disadvantage. Now having said that, I think 3 should be the cap! but I also think the current jump height of 3 should be the old jump height of 5, just sayin, it should be a level playing field for all suits to jump high, and really jump high! That is a much better way to think about it, meaning, we set a new design intent, and then we work with that. The jump height of three should not be the jump height of five. Jump mods dramatically exceeded their stated intent. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1006	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:26:00 - [11] - Quote 5 complex myos was pointless. 4 got you places that three couldn't. Having to put 4-5 myos to obtain the previous jump height of 3 is going to stink. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:36:00 - [12] - Quote I put 3 on my Gal Assault instead of DM and I love it. It's enough to get on containers and it helps a lot getting grenades where I want them to go. Thor's Emporium
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5529	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:38:00 - [13] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: Now having said that, I think 3 should be the cap! but I also think the current jump height of 3 should be the old jump height of 5, just sayin, it should be a level playing field for all suits to jump high, and really jump high! This Please 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3403	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:47:00 - [14] - Quote You can feel this game wobbling on its axis like a dented top. .emag nug ym tpecxe gnihtyreve sexif gnikamhctam RDK
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9894	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:50:00 - [15] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: The jump height of three should not be the jump height of five. Jump mods dramatically exceeded their stated intent. Correct. Allowing 3 myofibs to do the job of 5 would allow the same incredible silly jumps to continue AND allow for some shield tanking to occur. It would cause even more problems as you wouldn't even have to sacrifice eHP for the ability to fly. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2979	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:53:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: The jump height of three should not be the jump height of five. Jump mods dramatically exceeded their stated intent. Correct. Allowing 3 myofibs to do the job of 5 would allow the same incredible silly jumps to continue AND allow for some shield tanking to occur. It would cause even more problems as you wouldn't even have to sacrifice eHP for the ability to fly. I'm amused by the reaction to a nerf on mods that everyone knew were not working properly is "HEY INSTEAD OF NERFING US, HOW ABOUT YOU BUFF US INSTEAD SO WE CAN ACHEIVE MORE WITH EVEN LESS? DOESNT THIS SOUND GOOD AND BALANCED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAD FUN WITH IT WHILE OTHERS HATED THEIR BULLCRAP". Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1472	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:57:00 - [17] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: The jump height of three should not be the jump height of five. Jump mods dramatically exceeded their stated intent. Correct. Allowing 3 myofibs to do the job of 5 would allow the same incredible silly jumps to continue AND allow for some shield tanking to occur. It would cause even more problems as you wouldn't even have to sacrifice eHP for the ability to fly. I'm amused by the reaction to a nerf on mods that everyone knew were not working properly is "HEY INSTEAD OF NERFING US, HOW ABOUT YOU BUFF US INSTEAD SO WE CAN ACHEIVE MORE WITH EVEN LESS? DOESNT THIS SOUND GOOD AND BALANCED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAD FUN WITH IT WHILE OTHERS HATED THEIR BULLCRAP". I had to laugh when I read that also. like, seriously
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9894	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:57:00 - [18] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I'm amused by the reaction to a nerf on mods that everyone knew were not working properly is "HEY INSTEAD OF NERFING US, HOW ABOUT YOU BUFF US INSTEAD SO WE CAN ACHIEVE MORE WITH EVEN LESS? DOESN'T THIS SOUND GOOD AND BALANCED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAD FUN WITH IT WHILE OTHERS HATED THEIR BULLCRAP". Some players love their toys. They hate seeing balancing passes done and change frightens them. Honestly, the only negative change caused by '3 myofib limit' is to melee fittings. Fix: buff the melee damage the myofib does. Then the myofib will finally be in a good place. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 21978	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:01:00 - [19] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: You can feel this game wobbling on its axis like a dented top. boom tiss "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1472	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:02:00 - [20] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: I'm amused by the reaction to a nerf on mods that everyone knew were not working properly is "HEY INSTEAD OF NERFING US, HOW ABOUT YOU BUFF US INSTEAD SO WE CAN ACHIEVE MORE WITH EVEN LESS? DOESN'T THIS SOUND GOOD AND BALANCED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAD FUN WITH IT WHILE OTHERS HATED THEIR BULLCRAP". Some players love their toys. They hate seeing balancing passes done and change frightens them. Honestly, the only negative change caused by '3 myofib limit' is to melee fittings. Fix: buff the melee damage the myofib does. Then the myofib will finally be in a good place. 5 myofib melee punch scared the **** out of me.. I respect those bastards who use it well for beating heads off bodies. I think it was pretty cool the potential smacking power it had, I just was not a fan of the jet pack nade/RE/MD users who never once used it as melee

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9894	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:04:00 - [21] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: 5 myofib melee punch scared the **** out of me.. I respect those bastards who use it well for beating heads off bodies. I think it was pretty cool the potential smacking power it had, I just was not a fan of the jet pack nade/RE/MD users who never once used it as melee Same here. Recipe for winning: 6 MinAssaults (MD + flaylock + myofibs + ferroscales). Jump everywhere firing down at any red thing. Collect victories. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Vesta Opalus Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 665	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:24:00 - [22] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: What really led to this decision to nerf jump height? Was it the smattering of cryhards on the forums complaining about aiming? Look at this post made long before the myofib changes... He was scaling for 3 myofibs for a long time. That was the original design intent and it's goal was to allow jumping over railing and on top of cargo containers. Community backlash was not the main reason, but it probably was considered. P.S. - It seems the ScR is going to be nerfed soon. If you can start skilling into another service rifle I would do so now to avoid the nerf hammer. The CR is nerf-proof despite it's overperformance; that would be a good choice. ARR if you don't like the CR. Dont worry, the ASCR is still going to be OP for a while.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7323	Posted - 2015.05.07 15:44:00 - [23] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Then the original design intent was short sighted. The warlords 1.0 jump height was perfect, and never posed any threat as a game breaker. When I put on a 4 myo fit to get uplinks in strategic places, I knew I was going to lose a very expensive suit the moment someone fired at me. The fragility of a jump fit was more than enough of a drawback to limit their usage. More downside to this "fix": engaging blaster HAVs with a PLC just got 5X harder, no more awesome plc vids from beast or Kirk, rooftop camping just became a thing again... Plasma Cannon never needed a high level to be awesome. You have lost respect from me.
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1012	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:02:00 - [24] - Quote I never said the PLC became less awesome, just that there won't be anymore highly entertaining videos of the PLC on jump fits. I've always sheild/ regen tanked my PLC fit, except for one AV fit that doesn't need more than three myos to clear a tank anyway. "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
DUST Fiend 16874	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:08:00 - [25] - Quote Joel II X wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Then the original design intent was short sighted. The warlords 1.0 jump height was perfect, and never posed any threat as a game breaker. When I put on a 4 myo fit to get uplinks in strategic places, I knew I was going to lose a very expensive suit the moment someone fired at me. The fragility of a jump fit was more than enough of a drawback to limit their usage. More downside to this "fix": engaging blaster HAVs with a PLC just got 5X harder, no more awesome plc vids from beast or Kirk, rooftop camping just became a thing again... Plasma Cannon never needed a high level to be awesome. You have lost respect from me. It does if you don't want to be blaster chow lol. "When in doubt, dropship out" If you see me, bring AV to collect ISK DUST STUFF
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 647	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:13:00 - [26] - Quote The original jump height was stupid and something only a 10 yr old would rave about just like their invincible imaginary finger pistol that kills everything in one shot, but protects them from other imaginary finger pistols. Why height anyway? It makes more sense that you'd jump further forward. Death is a serious businessGÇª So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
Ku Shala PIanet Express 1433	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:15:00 - [27] - Quote guess my cal logi is going to collect dust for a while Im going to have to fire bullets again *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist x5)* Caldari Loyalist 22 230 780 sp in drop suit upgrades
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 1253	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:22:00 - [28] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: The original jump height was stupid and something only a 10 yr old would rave about just like their invincible imaginary finger pistol that kills everything in one shot, but protects them from other imaginary finger pistols. Why height anyway? It makes more sense that you'd jump further forward. "You like to jump high? THEN YOU'RE A CHILD!" lol what? *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1013	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:24:00 - [29] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: The original jump height was stupid and something only a 10 yr old would rave about just like their invincible imaginary finger pistol that kills everything in one shot, but protects them from other imaginary finger pistols. Why height anyway? It makes more sense that you'd jump further forward. How about a little less invective and a little more content? You think jump height was stupid? Ok, WHY? Only a ten year old would enjoy jumping? How the hell do you even qualify a statement like that? Did you conduct a controlled survey of ten year olds to determine their jump height preferences? "That OB was like a wet fart" - Eros Adonai mini flux 2015
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2987	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:40:00 - [30] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: The original jump height was stupid and something only a 10 yr old would rave about just like their invincible imaginary finger pistol that kills everything in one shot, but protects them from other imaginary finger pistols. Why height anyway? It makes more sense that you'd jump further forward. How about a little less invective and a little more content? You think jump height was stupid? Ok, WHY? Only a ten year old would enjoy jumping? How the hell do you even qualify a statement like that? Did you conduct a controlled survey of ten year olds to determine their jump height preferences? The advantages provided by myo stacking were plain and simple, not balanced. The person with myo's more often than not could exploit map design to do a ton of annoying and frequently unintended things. The person with myo's could use cover and more often than not negate opponents use of cover by jumping over it. The person with myo's could use a single button to 'strafe' at extremely high speeds (as myo's target jump SPEED, there is no jump height or jump distance variable it is solely derived from speed) compared to non-jump individuals who remained on the same axis while strafing. The person with myo's could melee someone once or twice after getting up close with their insane ability to traverse terrain and completely negate whatever skill an opponent might have in regards to gungame with 1200-1400 'alpha' damage from melee's. All of these things point towards Myo's being relatively unbalanced and overpowered. You know who doesn't care about 'balance' as long as they're having fun especially if it's fun at the expense of another? Children. Children who have not yet developed the capacity for unbiased, rational thought and instead operate on instinct and emotion. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.



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