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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.04.27 11:10:00 -
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So you know how a pro-maybe an adv- tank is getting attacked by multiple people. They hit their hardener on and escape without taking damage? Yes, you know what I'm talking about right?
Here's my idea.
Make it so that when you activate your hardener, it reduces the amount of repair/recharge by 40%. (40% less damage, 40% less regen)
Think of it as your havs computer directing moving nanites from your repairer/recharger to your shield/armor to harden it.
That way you can have a better chance to destroy those double, maybe even triple hardened pro havs.
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abdullah muzaffar
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.27 11:45:00 -
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Either this or a speed reduction.
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nicholas73
Glitched Connection
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Posted - 2015.04.27 12:56:00 -
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Vote speed reduction, but if you can suspend repair in hardened state then I'm all for it
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:06:00 -
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Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:10:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe.
30%.
35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot.
AV
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Anaheim Darko
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
357
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:11:00 -
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I like the idea of changing proximity mines. Introduce a variant with reduced damage, but speed reduction. Great for setting traps.
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Beldair Brightowl
sarges heros
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:33:00 -
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If something like this goes into effect, only for adv & proto HAVs. I use a militia HAV and they have a hard enough time surviving AVs. |
Fluffy Exterminatus
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:43:00 -
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or you could use proto av and solo it
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
791
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:50:00 -
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I really want that stupid warning sound vehicles get when near remotes/proxies they can already scan them. |
Beldair Brightowl
sarges heros
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:52:00 -
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Fluffy Exterminatus wrote:or you could use proto av and solo it
And do you think if one could use a proto or adv, that they would be piloting Militias? |
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.27 16:24:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot.
30% is pretty low considering hav has only 2700armor before modding.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.04.27 16:36:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. 30% is pretty low considering hav has only 2700armor before modding.
until you consider that armor reps are absolutely insane and/or shield extenders add 30% less HP than an armor plate?
You seem to underestimate the power of vehicle low slots.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
3183
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Posted - 2015.04.27 17:04:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:So you know how a pro-maybe an adv- tank is getting attacked by multiple people. They hit their hardener on and escape without taking damage? Yes, you know what I'm talking about right?
Here's my idea.
Make it so that when you activate your hardener, it reduces the amount of repair/recharge by 40%. (40% less damage, 40% less regen)
Think of it as your havs computer directing moving nanites from your repairer/recharger to your shield/armor to harden it.
That way you can have a better chance to destroy those double, maybe even triple hardened pro havs.
This was bandied about over a year ago, and is a terrible idea.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
3183
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Posted - 2015.04.27 17:05:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot.
Says the guy that doesn't use vehicles.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Everything Dies
Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny
1338
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Posted - 2015.04.27 17:07:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. 30% is pretty low considering hav has only 2700armor before modding. until you consider that armor reps are absolutely insane and/or shield extenders add 30% less HP than an armor plate? You seem to underestimate the power of vehicle low slots.
You seem to underestimate the effectiveness of AV weapons against armor tanks. I run one hardener with two reppers on my tank and let me tell you--one swarmer isn't too much of a concern if I have access to cover or have my hardener ready to activate. However, adding a second swarmer is more than enough to make me withdraw as even 280hp/s or so can't overcome the speed that swarms are able to launch with. Heck, one swarmer with AV grenades can really put a hurting on you if you aren't careful.
So no, decreasing the effectiveness of hardeners isn't the answer. In fact, they need to be INCREASED...and then limited to either having only one equipped (like fuel injectors) or make it so that only one hardener can be active at a time.
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
3786
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Posted - 2015.04.27 17:10:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:I really want that stupid warning sound vehicles get when near remotes/proxies they can already scan them.
^
"Use proxies"
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Oh, lol. Nice try.
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
792
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Posted - 2015.04.27 17:13:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. Says the guy that doesn't use vehicles.
you say that like he doesn't know what he is on about. 40% hardeners are silly, lowering it by 5% will not change much. A double hardened. double repped tank will sit there and take volley after volley of AV and rep through the damage of 2 proto swarmers (dont tell me it's bullshit, I have seen it happen). Tanks should be very hard to kill when hardened, not impervious |
Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
792
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Posted - 2015.04.27 17:22:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. 30% is pretty low considering hav has only 2700armor before modding. until you consider that armor reps are absolutely insane and/or shield extenders add 30% less HP than an armor plate? You seem to underestimate the power of vehicle low slots. You seem to underestimate the effectiveness of AV weapons against armor tanks. I run one hardener with two reppers on my tank and let me tell you--one swarmer isn't too much of a concern if I have access to cover or have my hardener ready to activate. However, adding a second swarmer is more than enough to make me withdraw as even 280hp/s or so can't overcome the speed that swarms are able to launch with. Heck, one swarmer with AV grenades can really put a hurting on you if you aren't careful. So no, decreasing the effectiveness of hardeners isn't the answer. In fact, they need to be INCREASED...and then limited to either having only one equipped (like fuel injectors) or make it so that only one hardener can be active at a time.
so because team work can kill you, you want hardeners buffed? are you high? |
Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2015.04.27 17:24:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot.
Are you just considering the AV weapon on it's own.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
3183
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Posted - 2015.04.27 19:27:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. Says the guy that doesn't use vehicles. you say that like he doesn't know what he is on about. 40% hardeners are silly, lowering it by 5% will not change much. A double hardened. double repped tank will sit there and take volley after volley of AV and rep through the damage of 2 proto swarmers (dont tell me it's bullshit, I have seen it happen). Tanks should be very hard to kill when hardened, not impervious
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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BAD FURRY
Oh No You Didn't
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Posted - 2015.04.27 19:28:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:So you know how a pro-maybe an adv- tank is getting attacked by multiple people. They hit their hardener on and escape without taking damage? Yes, you know what I'm talking about right?
Here's my idea.
Make it so that when you activate your hardener, it reduces the amount of repair/recharge by 40%. (40% less damage, 40% less regen)
Think of it as your havs computer directing moving nanites from your repairer/recharger to your shield/armor to harden it.
That way you can have a better chance to destroy those double, maybe even triple hardened pro havs.
how looks like you need more skill
me kills with av thats meta 1 or 3
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Squagga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.27 19:32:00 -
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I like the speed reduction idea. Right now, they just hit their hardeners, run away, just out of my reach. Then shoot me
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1386
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Posted - 2015.04.27 19:32:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. Says the guy that doesn't use vehicles. you say that like he doesn't know what he is on about. 40% hardeners are silly, lowering it by 5% will not change much. A double hardened. double repped tank will sit there and take volley after volley of AV and rep through the damage of 2 proto swarmers (dont tell me it's bullshit, I have seen it happen). Tanks should be very hard to kill when hardened, not impervious
Actually, lowering it by 5% while decrease cooldown and uptime to fall more inline with shield hardeners may have a larger impact than you think.
And I'm calling out AV here, don't expect your main weapon to do all the work for you, unless you got a buddy shooting too. You have nades and equipment for a reason. Considering just the AV weapon for balance will lead to insta popped tanks for any AV that actually puts in effort to kill a tank.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
3183
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Posted - 2015.04.27 19:58:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. Are you just considering the AV weapon on it's own.
He's considering one person with ADV AV. He's not considering 3 with PRO AV.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.04.27 20:42:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:So you know how a pro-maybe an adv- tank is getting attacked by multiple people. They hit their hardener on and escape without taking damage? Yes, you know what I'm talking about right?
Here's my idea.
Make it so that when you activate your hardener, it reduces the amount of repair/recharge by 40%. (40% less damage, 40% less regen)
Think of it as your havs computer directing moving nanites from your repairer/recharger to your shield/armor to harden it.
That way you can have a better chance to destroy those double, maybe even triple hardened pro havs. how looks like you need more skill me kills with av thats meta 1 or 3
I don't do av. I run adv tank. I speak for those that don't want to speak. I speak for all sometimes. (Skilled into everything at least adv level so I have very good experience.)
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Twitter- @48SOF
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18523
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Posted - 2015.04.27 20:48:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:So you know how a pro-maybe an adv- tank is getting attacked by multiple people. They hit their hardener on and escape without taking damage? Yes, you know what I'm talking about right?
Here's my idea.
Make it so that when you activate your hardener, it reduces the amount of repair/recharge by 40%. (40% less damage, 40% less regen)
Think of it as your havs computer directing moving nanites from your repairer/recharger to your shield/armor to harden it.
That way you can have a better chance to destroy those double, maybe even triple hardened pro havs.
Neither truly is required. As I see it a change from passive armour repairer to an active module that pulses every 3 seconds could be a possible solution allowing the HAV to ideally keep that repair based durability but only for a short duration and only if you can activate your module.
However the concept of a Bastion Module does sound wonderful.
"MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!"
- Mobius Wyvern
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
793
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Posted - 2015.04.27 20:49:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. Are you just considering the AV weapon on it's own. He's considering one person with ADV AV. He's not considering 3 with PRO AV.
3 people with proto AV should wipe you off the field. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18523
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Posted - 2015.04.27 20:55:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. Are you just considering the AV weapon on it's own. He's considering one person with ADV AV. He's not considering 3 with PRO AV. 3 people with proto AV should wipe you off the field.
Pretty much unless you happen to be a good pilot and use things like cover/manoeuvring.
Only thing that doesn't so much affect me as concern me is that DS really can't use cover [reliably] or manoeuvre to dodge AV [like swarms].
"MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!"
- Mobius Wyvern
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Stan Dan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
57
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:06:00 -
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Why should av get another buff against tanks, you want to be able to easily kill a tank that costs 900k+ isk with a suit that costa at most 150k. 1 proto swarm fires fast enough to force a proto tank to the red line, they certainly dont need a buff. And the idea of slowing the tank is ridiculous, lets just hobble an already ponderous vehicle so that a few scrubs with cheap av fits can blow it up. If tanks continue to cost as much as rhey do then ppl should have to work to kill them. |
Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
793
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:46:00 -
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Stan Dan wrote:Why should av get another buff against tanks, you want to be able to easily kill a tank that costs 900k+ isk with a suit that costa at most 150k. 1 proto swarm fires fast enough to force a proto tank to the red line, they certainly dont need a buff. And the idea of slowing the tank is ridiculous, lets just hobble an already ponderous vehicle so that a few scrubs with cheap av fits can blow it up. If tanks continue to cost as much as rhey do then ppl should have to work to kill them.
Then the cost should be lowered. Cost should not be the main balancing factor however otherwise people with the most money can just throw isk at something to make it go away and that isn't balanced. |
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 02:10:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. Are you just considering the AV weapon on it's own. He's considering one person with ADV AV. He's not considering 3 with PRO AV. 3 people with proto AV should wipe you off the field.
If they're each going at me solo, then no.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
3183
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Posted - 2015.04.28 02:10:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Stan Dan wrote:Why should av get another buff against tanks, you want to be able to easily kill a tank that costs 900k+ isk with a suit that costa at most 150k. 1 proto swarm fires fast enough to force a proto tank to the red line, they certainly dont need a buff. And the idea of slowing the tank is ridiculous, lets just hobble an already ponderous vehicle so that a few scrubs with cheap av fits can blow it up. If tanks continue to cost as much as rhey do then ppl should have to work to kill them. Then the cost should be lowered. Cost should not be the main balancing factor however otherwise people with the most money can just throw isk at something to make it go away and that isn't balanced.
You all complained when the cost was lowered the first time. Make up your damn minds.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
793
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Posted - 2015.04.28 02:53:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Stan Dan wrote:Why should av get another buff against tanks, you want to be able to easily kill a tank that costs 900k+ isk with a suit that costa at most 150k. 1 proto swarm fires fast enough to force a proto tank to the red line, they certainly dont need a buff. And the idea of slowing the tank is ridiculous, lets just hobble an already ponderous vehicle so that a few scrubs with cheap av fits can blow it up. If tanks continue to cost as much as rhey do then ppl should have to work to kill them. Then the cost should be lowered. Cost should not be the main balancing factor however otherwise people with the most money can just throw isk at something to make it go away and that isn't balanced. You all complained when the cost was lowered the first time. Make up your damn minds.
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
793
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Posted - 2015.04.28 02:58:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
If they're each going at me solo, then no.
Why can't you wrap your head around the fact that one Av player should be able to kill one pilot?
If we had more players in a match I would have no problem if it took 2-3 people to destroy a tank, but taking 3 people out of point defence or attack to deal with one person is not balanced in a 16v16 environment.
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1535
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Posted - 2015.04.28 02:59:00 -
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I find it funny Madrugars preform better than gunnlogis but no one wants to point that out 
FOR THE STATE!
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18543
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:05:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
If they're each going at me solo, then no.
Why can't you wrap your head around the fact that one Av player should be able to kill one pilot? If we had more players in a match I would have no problem if it took 2-3 people to destroy a tank, but taking 3 people out of point defence or attack to deal with one person is not balanced in a 16v16 environment.
It's not necessarily about a 1=1 model it's about how easy it should be for AV to take down a tank solo. Ideally it shouldn't be easy at all otherwise there is simply no point in fielding an HAV for its cost when infantry are simply more valuable on the field.
Sadly I get the idea that most AVers just rush forwards spamming AV grenades and their primary weapon and expect that to work tending on the "prissy *****" side of things afterwards when it fails. That being said smart and cautious AV generally makes me wet myself and sends me scrabbling back to cover or a friendly objective.
"MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!"
- Mobius Wyvern
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
793
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:05:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:I find it funny Madrugars preform better than gunnlogis but no one wants to point that out
It's cos armour hardeners + passive reps be very silly. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18543
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:06:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:I find it funny Madrugars preform better than gunnlogis but no one wants to point that out
Dude that's clear as day and the Madrugar is OP for exactly the same reasons the Gunnlogi was so superior to armour HAV last build.
"MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!"
- Mobius Wyvern
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
RUST415
795
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:14:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
If they're each going at me solo, then no.
Why can't you wrap your head around the fact that one Av player should be able to kill one pilot? If we had more players in a match I would have no problem if it took 2-3 people to destroy a tank, but taking 3 people out of point defence or attack to deal with one person is not balanced in a 16v16 environment. It's not necessarily about a 1=1 model it's about how easy it should be for AV to take down a tank solo. Ideally it shouldn't be easy at all otherwise there is simply no point in fielding an HAV for its cost when infantry are simply more valuable on the field. Sadly I get the idea that most AVers just rush forwards spamming AV grenades and their primary weapon and expect that to work tending on the "prissy *****" side of things afterwards when it fails. That being said smart and cautious AV generally makes me wet myself and sends me scrabbling back to cover or a friendly objective.
I don't want AV to be able to blow up a tank just by looking at it, a tank shouldn't be easy to kill, however armour tanks as they are don't die unless you get them when their hardeners are on cooldown, no it shouldn't be easy but seeing a tank take 2 swarmers on and be fine is stupid.
I really just want a nice balance to be found, it will never be perfect but as long as it's good I'll be happy. |
Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
379
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:17:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. 30% is pretty low considering hav has only 2700armor before modding.
Then use the 5 ******* slots you're given.
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Godin Thekiller
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
3142
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:20:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. 30% is pretty low considering hav has only 2700armor before modding. until you consider that armor reps are absolutely insane and/or shield extenders add 30% less HP than an armor plate? You seem to underestimate the power of vehicle low slots.
Many reasonable people wasnts reps to become active as well, and having only a 15 second run time. I think it's fair to only nerf it by 5% then.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:27:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
Says the guy that doesn't use vehicles.
Says the guy who's never seen by anyone except in the redline.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:27:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:
I don't want AV to be able to blow up a tank just by looking at it, a tank shouldn't be easy to kill, however armour tanks as they are don't die unless you get them when their hardeners are on cooldown, no it shouldn't be easy but seeing a tank take 2 swarmers on and be fine is stupid.
I really just want a nice balance to be found, it will never be perfect but as long as it's good I'll be happy.
I'll give you that HAV definitely need to see change but this 1=1 mentality is inherently flawed anyway. My ability and the ability of those far more skilled than I since the days of Chromosome to mitigate the damage of multiple sources of AV via module activation, use of terrain, and application of my large turrets is no different to the use of tactics and skill by an infantry man who wins out of two enemy combatants.
"MIN MAXING! MIN MAXING! I'M BETTER AT IT THAN YOU!"
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:29:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Nope. If anything there should be an eqiupment for slowing down vehicles.
Messing up with stats like this would make vehicle vs vehicle battles worse than now.
Ps. The other option is to tone down armor hardener values, 35% maybe. 30%. 35% doesn't solve the problems. But it's looking like 30% may be the sweet spot. Are you just considering the AV weapon on it's own.
Your assertion that an AV weapon should be ineffective without extra gimmicks is asinine.
Don't bother trying to push it on me.
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