The only way ewar will be fixed is if there is actually a "margin of error." Right now damps/scans either work, or they dont. There needs to be say a 50% chance to scan within a certain db. Until that happens, dampers will cry about scanners, and scanners will cry about dampers. They are both horribly broken right now. Get under 18db or whatever, you win. If not, you lose.

You guys need to learn the art of the line break badly and P14Gu3 is right.

Team scans need to go away.

If squad size goes to 8 for PC and FW this would hardly be noticed in those settings. Solo pub players don't deserve team scans. They should be fodder for those playing the game as intended.

But you don't exactly "win" by getting under 18 db. All you end up doing is making a gimped and expensive fit with low utility and combat efficiency in exchange for not being highlighted on the mini-map. I've played matches where enemy squads had one gal logi spamming scans while I was running my most dampened gk.0 Scout, I entered there established area in an attempt to hack, drop uplinks and maybe take out the gallogi. You know what happened? The gallogi pointed his scanner in my general direction from inside a building and when he did 3 players started running in my general direction and I had to make a run for it, I then get a "Scan Attempt Prevented" message, usually I would smile when I see that, but this time it was different, I saw all 3 enemies switch their running direction and end up facing me, even though I was cloaked and had a good distance between them I was insta kiled by a viziam scrambler... so, even though I went to such great lenghts to avoid a detailed scan I was still being probed by a different kind of scan, one that is unable to display my exact location but can still estimate my general location. Those should be properties made for two different types of scanners, not all in one. Sure, the enemy team had some excellent comms and teamplay but it doesn't change the fact that the scanner still served its purpose without applying it's full effects on me, and that just isn't right.

As a gal logi I must disagree! What would be the point of the suit if not for scans? Tell me what else stands out about a slow, lightly armored, yellow logi that screams "use me"?

The gal logi gets a bonus to scanning precision and duration of the target scanned visibility. Even if you changed the "margin of error" part, which I never get, it wouldn't improve your chances of not being scanned by gal logi. Every other suit with a scanner already catches it trying to spot you, trust me. If you're a gal scout, with atleast one damp on, your hiding from everyone else. The gal logi is designed to pick you up when no one else can. The downside being you're probably lethal enough, as a scout, to take him out regardless.

The scanner isn't the problem. Those running scout got so used to being OP in the 1.8 hay days, and now struggle to shotgun everyone because they see you. You must also consider the tacnet ranges, and how much precision that suit your trying to ambush is wearing in mods! Not everyone tanks armor and shield/dmg mods. Some where precision and range!

Too many scouts have gotten used to this predator scout mentality. They don't play as scouts, but as assaults with scout bonuses. Well I'm using my bonuses so if you don't I'm gonna see you.

Just to help you out, and to prove that it is possible to hide from the gal logi. The lowest possible dB for a gal logi on scans is 15db. Below that you're hidden.

The scanner isn't the problem. Those running scout got so used to being OP in the 1.8 hay days, and now struggle to shotgun everyone because they see you. You must also consider the tacnet ranges, and how much precision that suit your trying to ambush is wearing in mods! Not everyone tanks armor and shield/dmg mods. Some where precision and range!

Too many scouts have gotten used to this predator scout mentality. They don't play as scouts, but as assaults with scout bonuses. Well I'm using my bonuses so if you don't I'm gonna see you.

Were you alone? Did you have bluedots near you? If the scanner lit up your friendlies, they moved towards them, and you got unlucky.

If you were alone, someone happened to see you (from behind possibly?) and relayed the info to the squad. There is a slight possibility they moved towards you based on the fact there was a "margin of error," but they still wouldn't have known exactly where you were.

I run the GK.0 scout as well, usually with just 2 complex damps because that will beat nearly every scanner. I stay alone and flank around the outside of objectives/chokepoints. TBH I find the gal scout to be one of the easiest suits to play in the game. You just have to learn how to take advantage of the element of surprise. STAY AWAY FROM THE BLOB!

I understand what you are saying about the magin of error message, but did you not say you run a cloak? When you get scanned, find a hiding spot, cloak up, and wait for them. I have had soooo many people run past me in my scout (and I dont even cloak bro.) only for me to shoot them in the back as they pass.

Most people are really bad at this game and cant see anyone that isn't on their radar. If they catch you, they are probably not your average bluedot, and chances are they would have caught you without a scanner anyways.

Firstly, thanks for the db number I'll keep it in mind since I already run suits with db lower or equal to that without knowing the exact threshold. Now, about what I underlined, what I'm saying isn't that the message is going to stop you from scanning and highlighting me. If you scan me and I'm not running a scout with a profile low enough to hide from your scans than It's a mistake that I made while fitting the suit. What I mean by changing the message is that in example: You enter a match, you find a good spot and use your scanner, you highlight a few enemies and you get "No Margin of Error" but later on you scan an area again but this time nothing gets highlighted and you get a "Some Margin of Error" message... you're running a proto scan and you know that there aren't that many suits that would willingly fit themselves to hide from scans so you most likely assume that there's a scout there. My complaint is that even though I ran a suit that could avoid getting highlighted, my enemy scanned the area I was running through and without actually seeing me his scanner told him that there is in fact someone, somewhere in that general direction that can evade his scans. Changing the margin of error messages for something like "No Hostiles in Vicinity" or simply no message at all when you try to scan someone who can get under your scan is what I'm reffering to because currently when you use a scanner your'e able to acquire information on hostile activity regardless of whether or not you actually highlight them regardless to what they had to do to hide from a scan.

As a gal logi I must disagree! What would be the point of the suit if not for scans? Tell me what else stands out about a slow, lightly armored, yellow logi that screams "use me"?

The gal logi gets a bonus to scanning precision and duration of the target scanned visibility. Even if you changed the "margin of error" part, which I never get, it wouldn't improve your chances of not being scanned by gal logi. Every other suit with a scanner already catches it trying to spot you, trust me. If you're a gal scout, with atleast one damp on, your hiding from everyone else. The gal logi is designed to pick you up when no one else can. The downside being you're probably lethal enough, as a scout, to take him out regardless.

The scanner isn't the problem. Those running scout got so used to being OP in the 1.8 hay days, and now struggle to shotgun everyone because they see you. You must also consider the tacnet ranges, and how much precision that suit your trying to ambush is wearing in mods! Not everyone tanks armor and shield/dmg mods. Some where precision and range!

Too many scouts have gotten used to this predator scout mentality. They don't play as scouts, but as assaults with scout bonuses. Well I'm using my bonuses so if you don't I'm gonna see you.

Just to help you out, and to prove that it is possible to hide from the gal logi. The lowest possible dB for a gal logi on scans is 15db. Below that you're hidden.

I was pitted against a stomp squad... the type that stick together and Aim Down Sights while moving into a corner swinging their scopes all over corners and edges to see if anything red lights up and I ran in a direction with an open field because it was the only area in the map that nobody had bothered to watch. The perfect place to attempt to gain entry into a heavily guarded place. My only interest was to enter the objective, do my best to slay the scanner, drop an uplink and depending on the situation either pop equipment or hack the objective. I'm not an explosive frisbee freestyler scout. I also seem to be terribly unlucky.

But you don't exactly "win" by getting under 18 db. All you end up doing is making a gimped and expensive fit with low utility and combat efficiency in exchange for not being highlighted on the mini-map. I've played matches where enemy squads had one gal logi spamming scans while I was running my most dampened gk.0 Scout, I entered there established area in an attempt to hack, drop uplinks and maybe take out the gallogi. You know what happened? The gallogi pointed his scanner in my general direction from inside a building and when he did 3 players started running in my general direction and I had to make a run for it, I then get a "Scan Attempt Prevented" message, usually I would smile when I see that, but this time it was different, I saw all 3 enemies switch their running direction and end up facing me, even though I was cloaked and had a good distance between them I was insta kiled by a viziam scrambler... so, even though I went to such great lenghts to avoid a detailed scan I was still being probed by a different kind of scan, one that is unable to display my exact location but can still estimate my general location. Those should be properties made for two different types of scanners, not all in one. Sure, the enemy team had some excellent comms and teamplay but it doesn't change the fact that the scanner still served its purpose without applying it's full effects on me, and that just isn't right.

No nelo, this game should be stylized after CoD. There needs to be one insta win item in the game that makes it useless to use any other item.

U are aware that scouts recieved more slots for dampenening and a little more hp not to be abused like scouts have been. Another guys recently made a post about scanners n its annoying to repeat my self but here goes.

If u lvl up dampening just the skill to proto all but heavys can avoid being scanned by basic scanners without dampeners.

At adv scanners which is 36 db all scouts ewar profile can still avoid.

At proto the scanners db is 28 except one which gallente scouts and cals scouts with maybe one basic dampener can still avoid easily. Even with core focused scanner which has 20 it has such a low width so unless u know where to scan it still is ineffective due to large cool down. N guess what gal scouts can still get under this allong with cal scouts. Amount of wp is minimal unless u like me use the 20 sec duration scanner.

The only exception is to whats stated above is the gal logi n who better to pick up a gal scout than a gal logi. No suit n I mean no suit should ever be uncounterable most scouts like u im assuming just wanna hp speed n regen stack on top of being invisable. I find it funny other than scouts are the majority of people who complain how scanners are. Oh btw scanners take up massive cpu pg at proto especially the core focused so logis lose most combat capability have second slowest health regen n slowest movement so tell me scout what should be the counter to a scout? If u say nothing then u dont understand the concept of this game everything is supposed to have a counter

I understand what you are saying about the magin of error message, but did you not say you run a cloak? When you get scanned, find a hiding spot, cloak up, and wait for them. I have had soooo many people run past me in my scout (and I dont even cloak bro.) only for me to shoot them in the back as they pass.

Most people are really bad at this game and cant see anyone that isn't on their radar. If they catch you, they are probably not your average bluedot, and chances are they would have caught you without a scanner anyways.

Edit: also stop hacking alone. I have learned, scout or not, hacking alone is a death sentence.

You want a counter? Is it that hard to kill something that's got about 1/3 of your HP and lacks any form of tank whatsoever? The Scanner is the counter to profile dampening but once someone makes all the needed sacrifices to "evade" that counter your left with disposable fits that are only somewhat survivable when you play in squads... and I play most of my time solo. Don't tell me that the magical solution to countering a counter is teamwork because this game is practically incapable of diferentiating teamwork from stomping.

U are aware what the word scout means right. Last I checked didnt mean stealth assault. If a whole enemy squad was able to gank u why were u by yourself to begin with why did u think ohh theres 4 possibly more people there im still gonna be able to run in get objective n probably kill 2 to 4 people by myself. No other suit in the game boasts this kinda mentality except scouts. Exactly what should have happened did.coms between squad. If a logi detects even margin of error they did their job right moving in a group to stomp u. A scout can easily solo 1 v 2 n still get away or he decloaks chucks remotes insta kill 1 or 2 n run away faster than anyone can catch him.

Scouts if anything should have their db raised up if anything before u talk about nerfing scanners scouts have had allot handed to them and all u guys have done is squander the slots u recieved n u dont deserve anything else

You want a counter? Is it that hard to kill something that's got about 1/3 of your HP and lacks any form of tank whatsoever? The Scanner is the counter to profile dampening but once someone makes all the needed sacrifices to "evade" that counter your left with disposable fits that are only somewhat survivable when you play in squads... and I play most of my time solo. Don't tell me that the magical solution to countering a counter is teamwork because this game is practically incapable of diferentiating teamwork from stomping.

You want a counter? Is it that hard to kill something that's got about 1/3 of your HP and lacks any form of tank whatsoever? The Scanner is the counter to profile dampening but once someone makes all the needed sacrifices to "evade" that counter your left with disposable fits that are only somewhat survivable when you play in squads... and I play most of my time solo. Don't tell me that the magical solution to countering a counter is teamwork because this game is practically incapable of diferentiating teamwork from stomping.