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nelo kazuma
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:29:00 -
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U are aware that scouts recieved more slots for dampenening and a little more hp not to be abused like scouts have been. Another guys recently made a post about scanners n its annoying to repeat my self but here goes.
If u lvl up dampening just the skill to proto all but heavys can avoid being scanned by basic scanners without dampeners.
At adv scanners which is 36 db all scouts ewar profile can still avoid.
At proto the scanners db is 28 except one which gallente scouts and cals scouts with maybe one basic dampener can still avoid easily. Even with core focused scanner which has 20 it has such a low width so unless u know where to scan it still is ineffective due to large cool down. N guess what gal scouts can still get under this allong with cal scouts. Amount of wp is minimal unless u like me use the 20 sec duration scanner.
The only exception is to whats stated above is the gal logi n who better to pick up a gal scout than a gal logi. No suit n I mean no suit should ever be uncounterable most scouts like u im assuming just wanna hp speed n regen stack on top of being invisable. I find it funny other than scouts are the majority of people who complain how scanners are. Oh btw scanners take up massive cpu pg at proto especially the core focused so logis lose most combat capability have second slowest health regen n slowest movement so tell me scout what should be the counter to a scout? If u say nothing then u dont understand the concept of this game everything is supposed to have a counter |
nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:43:00 -
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Jaran Vilktar wrote:P14GU3 wrote:The only way ewar will be fixed is if there is actually a "margin of error." Right now damps/scans either work, or they dont. There needs to be say a 50% chance to scan within a certain db. Until that happens, dampers will cry about scanners, and scanners will cry about dampers. They are both horribly broken right now. Get under 18db or whatever, you win. If not, you lose. But you don't exactly "win" by getting under 18 db. All you end up doing is making a gimped and expensive fit with low utility and combat efficiency in exchange for not being highlighted on the mini-map. I've played matches where enemy squads had one gal logi spamming scans while I was running my most dampened gk.0 Scout, I entered there established area in an attempt to hack, drop uplinks and maybe take out the gallogi. You know what happened? The gallogi pointed his scanner in my general direction from inside a building and when he did 3 players started running in my general direction and I had to make a run for it, I then get a "Scan Attempt Prevented" message, usually I would smile when I see that, but this time it was different, I saw all 3 enemies switch their running direction and end up facing me, even though I was cloaked and had a good distance between them I was insta kiled by a viziam scrambler... so, even though I went to such great lenghts to avoid a detailed scan I was still being probed by a different kind of scan, one that is unable to display my exact location but can still estimate my general location. Those should be properties made for two different types of scanners, not all in one. Sure, the enemy team had some excellent comms and teamplay but it doesn't change the fact that the scanner still served its purpose without applying it's full effects on me, and that just isn't right.
U are aware what the word scout means right. Last I checked didnt mean stealth assault. If a whole enemy squad was able to gank u why were u by yourself to begin with why did u think ohh theres 4 possibly more people there im still gonna be able to run in get objective n probably kill 2 to 4 people by myself. No other suit in the game boasts this kinda mentality except scouts. Exactly what should have happened did.coms between squad. If a logi detects even margin of error they did their job right moving in a group to stomp u. A scout can easily solo 1 v 2 n still get away or he decloaks chucks remotes insta kill 1 or 2 n run away faster than anyone can catch him.
Scouts if anything should have their db raised up if anything before u talk about nerfing scanners scouts have had allot handed to them and all u guys have done is squander the slots u recieved n u dont deserve anything else |
nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:49:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:No nelo, this game should be stylized after CoD. There needs to be one insta win item in the game that makes it useless to use any other item.
Lol nicely said can u believe this though the nerve ohh we scouts need more nerf heavys cuz they can live through our 8 shotgun shells -_- nerf myros cuz he can just jump away from my nova knives befor I can stab him in the back in a group full of friendlys( yes I actuallty got that hatemail before). Now its nerf scanners because the slots ccp gave me I wanna use allllll of the for hp n damage mods O.o not precision or damps naaaahhh to much common sense. A scout means slayer who can do whatever he wants lol |
nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:51:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:I understand what you are saying about the magin of error message, but did you not say you run a cloak? When you get scanned, find a hiding spot, cloak up, and wait for them. I have had soooo many people run past me in my scout (and I dont even cloak bro.) only for me to shoot them in the back as they pass.
Most people are really bad at this game and cant see anyone that isn't on their radar. If they catch you, they are probably not your average bluedot, and chances are they would have caught you without a scanner anyways.
Edit: also stop hacking alone. I have learned, scout or not, hacking alone is a death sentence.
Well said u seem like one of the few scouts who has common sense |
nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
108
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Posted - 2015.04.23 17:00:00 -
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Jaran Vilktar wrote:nelo kazuma wrote:U are aware that scouts recieved more slots for dampenening and a little more hp not to be abused like scouts have been. Another guys recently made a post about scanners n its annoying to repeat my self but here goes.
If u lvl up dampening just the skill to proto all but heavys can avoid being scanned by basic scanners without dampeners.
At adv scanners which is 36 db all scouts ewar profile can still avoid.
At proto the scanners db is 28 except one which gallente scouts and cals scouts with maybe one basic dampener can still avoid easily. Even with core focused scanner which has 20 it has such a low width so unless u know where to scan it still is ineffective due to large cool down. N guess what gal scouts can still get under this allong with cal scouts. Amount of wp is minimal unless u like me use the 20 sec duration scanner.
The only exception is to whats stated above is the gal logi n who better to pick up a gal scout than a gal logi. No suit n I mean no suit should ever be uncounterable most scouts like u im assuming just wanna hp speed n regen stack on top of being invisable. I find it funny other than scouts are the majority of people who complain how scanners are. Oh btw scanners take up massive cpu pg at proto especially the core focused so logis lose most combat capability have second slowest health regen n slowest movement so tell me scout what should be the counter to a scout? If u say nothing then u dont understand the concept of this game everything is supposed to have a counter You want a counter? Is it that hard to kill something that's got about 1/3 of your HP and lacks any form of tank whatsoever? The Scanner is the counter to profile dampening but once someone makes all the needed sacrifices to "evade" that counter your left with disposable fits that are only somewhat survivable when you play in squads... and I play most of my time solo. Don't tell me that the magical solution to countering a counter is teamwork because this game is practically incapable of diferentiating teamwork from stomping.
Lol 1/3 my hp u serious. I almost busted out laughing when u said that. I cant remember the last time I didnt see a shield or even armor stacked scout with godly moving speed n they have veeeeeerrrry small hit box so difficult to hit. U posted u try to take objectives by yourself look no suits should be able to at all. Even if u play solo had u said hey make scanners back to only squad mates not whole team or even give scanners a limited amound of use THAT I would support but no ur complaing about a counter to ur suit not game mechanics. N if u are ur doing it horribly |
nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
108
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Posted - 2015.04.23 17:09:00 -
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Jaran Vilktar wrote:nelo kazuma wrote:Jaran Vilktar wrote:P14GU3 wrote:The only way ewar will be fixed is if there is actually a "margin of error." Right now damps/scans either work, or they dont. There needs to be say a 50% chance to scan within a certain db. Until that happens, dampers will cry about scanners, and scanners will cry about dampers. They are both horribly broken right now. Get under 18db or whatever, you win. If not, you lose. But you don't exactly "win" by getting under 18 db. All you end up doing is making a gimped and expensive fit with low utility and combat efficiency in exchange for not being highlighted on the mini-map. I've played matches where enemy squads had one gal logi spamming scans while I was running my most dampened gk.0 Scout, I entered there established area in an attempt to hack, drop uplinks and maybe take out the gallogi. You know what happened? The gallogi pointed his scanner in my general direction from inside a building and when he did 3 players started running in my general direction and I had to make a run for it, I then get a "Scan Attempt Prevented" message, usually I would smile when I see that, but this time it was different, I saw all 3 enemies switch their running direction and end up facing me, even though I was cloaked and had a good distance between them I was insta kiled by a viziam scrambler... so, even though I went to such great lenghts to avoid a detailed scan I was still being probed by a different kind of scan, one that is unable to display my exact location but can still estimate my general location. Those should be properties made for two different types of scanners, not all in one. Sure, the enemy team had some excellent comms and teamplay but it doesn't change the fact that the scanner still served its purpose without applying it's full effects on me, and that just isn't right. U are aware what the word scout means right. Last I checked didnt mean stealth assault. If a whole enemy squad was able to gank u why were u by yourself to begin with why did u think ohh theres 4 possibly more people there im still gonna be able to run in get objective n probably kill 2 to 4 people by myself. No other suit in the game boasts this kinda mentality except scouts. Exactly what should have happened did.coms between squad. If a logi detects even margin of error they did their job right moving in a group to stomp u. A scout can easily solo 1 v 2 n still get away or he decloaks chucks remotes insta kill 1 or 2 n run away faster than anyone can catch him. Scouts if anything should have their db raised up if anything before u talk about nerfing scanners scouts have had allot handed to them and all u guys have done is squander the slots u recieved n u dont deserve anything else Oh, I see. Your'e still suffering from slayer scout phobia so you simply assume that everyone that runs scouts is a slayer scout. Hmm, guess what? I'm the worst of all the terrible slayers in this game, I cant slay things the way others can regardless of how expensive or tanky I make my fits and my SP and play time haven't done anything for me in this matter, I use gallentean weaponry and I have a strong dislike of any rifles besides the AR I'd rather save the ISK that I'd spend on suicidal frisbee runs. The only times I run a kamakazee is when enemies hack the objective and I run to force them to kill me or die at my hand. I'm a different kind of annoying when I run scout. Not slay everything and whine when I'm not capable of taking out something that had the advantage over me in every possible way to demand buffs to my roles. I'm not just a Scout, Ironically as it may seem the first suit I EVER got to proto was... dun dun dun! The Gallogi, and yet here I am complaining about it but more specifically the tool it speciallizes in. Please don't assume that every scout is a slayer scout because your'e honestly giving me and many others more credit than we wish we had.
Slayer scout phobia lol nahh ive just seen enough nerf posts from scouts to see where this is going. Scouts can be very easily profitable. Whatever the case like ive said im not opposed like I said to changing scanners back to only squadmates or limited uses but lik ive said scouts have more than enough they dont need this. If a squad coordinates right theres little to noreason a scout shouldnt be killed this is a team based gameafter all |
nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.23 17:27:00 -
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Jaran Vilktar wrote:Well, since this is such a heavily team based game. I guess that means that as a scout my role purpose from now on will be to run around the entire map with a duvolle focused scaner or creodron scanner while running 2-3 complex damps and revealing the locations of just about every player on the enemy team even if I don't gain any WP from it. Thanks for helping me find my purpose guys.  EDIT: Well with that said, I thank everyone who participated in this thread and if you see a glass gk.0 scout that spends all of his time scanning the enemy team without doing much of anything else than it may be me. Cheers!
-_- if u seriously telling me u cant find a role for a scout or make wp then u dont know how to scout. Here are some prime examples of how to get ur wp. If ur in amb n ur teams pinned cloak n set an uplink away from the battle or in advantages spot on enemys flank idk how many times I wish I had a scout to do this n uplinks net u massive wp cuz no one runs em -_-. Scouts are first to any objective grab it quick or guard it till back up arrives if ur using gal scout should be fairly easy. Try a diff piece of equipment besides REs. Instalations are a big hasle like CRUs u can easily grab em from behind the enemy. Ohh n above all find a sqd I run two proto precision mods on my cal logi n 1 or 2 range amps my sqd mates appreciate it cuz guess what a scout decloaks I know where he is the moment he does but I sacrifice hp for that. |
nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.23 17:39:00 -
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Jaran Vilktar wrote:nelo kazuma wrote:Jaran Vilktar wrote:Well, since this is such a heavily team based game. I guess that means that as a scout my role purpose from now on will be to run around the entire map with a duvolle focused scaner or creodron scanner while running 2-3 complex damps and revealing the locations of just about every player on the enemy team even if I don't gain any WP from it. Thanks for helping me find my purpose guys. EDIT: Well with that said, I thank everyone who participated in this thread and if you see a glass gk.0 scout that spends all of his time scanning the enemy team without doing much of anything else than it may be me. Cheers! -_- if u seriously telling me u cant find a role for a scout or make wp then u dont know how to scout. Here are some prime examples of how to get ur wp. If ur in amb n ur teams pinned cloak n set an uplink away from the battle or in advantages spot on enemys flank idk how many times I wish I had a scout to do this n uplinks net u massive wp cuz no one runs em -_-. Scouts are first to any objective grab it quick or guard it till back up arrives if ur using gal scout should be fairly easy. Try a diff piece of equipment besides REs. Instalations are a big hasle like CRUs u can easily grab em from behind the enemy. Ohh n above all find a sqd I run two proto precision mods on my cal logi n 1 or 2 range amps my sqd mates appreciate it cuz guess what a scout decloaks I know where he is the moment he does but I sacrifice hp for that. Set an uplink!? Oh THE HORROR! I don't have access to anything but MLT drop uplinks and I'm sure I've pointed it out oh so many times in this thread. Also, hack an objective? NEVER! Don't forget I'm a scout so I have no business on hacking an objective on my own.
Even basic uplink or militia are incredible help and costs 12 k sp -_- thats if for some reason u dont have the room somehow. Never sId u couldnt grab objective or even gaurd them. ur complaining about scanners and other things unnecessary n eeeeeveryone here pretty much poked holes in ur logic yet u wanna act butthurt |
nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
111
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Posted - 2015.04.23 17:41:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Jaran Vilktar wrote:Well, since this is such a heavily team based game. I guess that means that as a scout my role purpose from now on will be to run around the entire map with a duvolle focused scaner or creodron scanner while running 2-3 complex damps and revealing the locations of just about every player on the enemy team even if I don't gain any WP from it. Thanks for helping me find my purpose guys. EDIT: Well with that said, I thank everyone who participated in this thread and if you see a glass gk.0 scout that spends all of his time scanning the enemy team without doing much of anything else than it may be me. Cheers! You'd actually be more useful doing that than you would be burning all of our teams clones, and blocking my shots with the back of your skull as you try to knife an entire group of mercs?! Seriously, who taught you guys these tactics?? Too many of you have been told, repeatedly, that "this isn't COD"!!! It's not a joke!! We're serious as a heart-attack! You will not do well running around the map rushing full squad on comms in a scout dropsuit! Nor a heavy, cmdo, or assault for that matter. As a heavy I would much rather you hack that CRU, supply depot, turret, etc. Than be burning clones trying to shotgun a whole logi-train! You get +50, and I don't have to hack it in my fat suit! You're complaining about the gal logi, but what else do you want me to be doing, exactly? Rushing a logi-train in a logi? You guys are the blues we rage about in the forums, that lose the match for you with this 1v1 Bullsh*t mentality?! We're 30 clones down, with no uplinks, and redlined in pubs because you're playing with this solo mentality while your teammates curse your existence! In the words of so many in the forums, and justifiably said to your type, GET GUD!! As a gal scout back in the day I was repeatedly being recruited by other corps, not because I slayed, but because I understood the f*cking field! I would NOT let my teammates have to keep asking about red turrets, CRU's, or supply depots! I rocked rifles, preferably AR's since I was gal, to ad dps FROM RANGE! I rocked knives as a sidearm to kill silently, and to carry an alpha dmg effect on my small frame. I would carry a scanner and needle, scanner and ammo, or scanner and uplink! I would average 1500-2000 wp's in links, intel, resupply, and assist! Maybe I should respec back into scout, and show you, not how to kill, but how to win!
Nicely said respect ^(-_-) |
nelo kazuma
THE LAST H0PE.
RUST415
111
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Posted - 2015.04.23 17:52:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:If you're a gal scout, with atleast one damp on, your hiding from everyone else. The gal logi is designed to pick you up when no one else can. The downside being you're probably lethal enough, as a scout, to take him out regardless. We're not all running Gal Scouts. A Minja needs three Complex Damps and a Proto Cloak to beat your scans. At that point, the suit is so gimped it's ridiculous.
U get hacking speed bonus n best running and movement speed -_- min scouts can hack or counter hack in the blink of an eye nova knife better than anyone and its silent. Make tooonns of wp hacking installations n supporting team to actually win matches. I dont even wanna hear complaints from minjas honestly the only scout who deserves to complain is amar they are least stealth wise speed wise scan wise n slightly less combat capable amongst all the scouts |
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