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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

jace silencerww wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

jace silencerww wrote:

I don't care about this BS trade system it seems not even half way put together. so no way in heck I am trading. 1 of the 2 has to send the isk or item and HOPE the other holds their end of the deal. WHAT THE FREAK? who would trade like that?

Welcome to New Eden where scamming is perfectly legal. Eve Online may have a more secure trade system in place, but there is nothing about that system that makes it scam proof. Scammers will figure out ways around the system even if it becomes more secure in Dust. The only difference between now and the future is that scammers need to be clever in the future.

In the end, CCP will not be answering any petitions on scams unless the scam happens to involve a code from the code bazaar.

I know that why I will not be trading. why? simple in the real world contracts are made and if you break it you can be sue and/or put on the blacklist but in this game blacklists have no meaning since you can always make a new guy and having it be a trader to screw over people. again who the heck would trade in this "trust system" I mean a trader/middle man can hold his word 90% of the time and screw over 10% yet still get away with it every time with very little if any bad rep from it. again who the heck wants to trade like that? in the future if I am scam over the price of something but still got money then it was my bad haggling skills. however getting screwed by someone not holding they end of the deal is junk. why bring a trade system like this? the new players are going to get scammed badly and hurt new players so they quit. we want more and new players so DUST can continue on in the gaming world. what about my other points or at least the biggest one FIXING THE MATCH MAKING!

There all most likely be third parties that will hold both items/ISK and swap, ensuring a clean trade (eg Chribba). These third parties are bound by their reputation and the prospect of making more ISK through third-partying than through a one-time scam.

The risk is all part of the fun. You don't have to trade anything.

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jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2015.04.26 19:00:00 - [151] - Quote I don't care about this BS trade system it seems not even half way put together. so no way in heck I am trading. 1 of the 2 has to send the isk or item and HOPE the other holds their end of the deal. WHAT THE FREAK? who would trade like that? skins can be nice but who cares what skin is what color. I use the colors now to tell one suit from another. basic or proto to bpo to apex. besides I wanted the Hotfix first not this junk. tanks needed fixing. ei SHAV having 3 turrets? armor hardners needing to be dropped to 30% not 40%, oh my favorite right here an ARMOR LAV (132)has a higher shield recharge rate than a shield tank (126) what good as a shield regulator since it is a highslot instead of low slot, cpu/pg higher than an adv damage mods, and no way to increase a vehicles shield recharge? a basic light shield booster is far better that a shield regulator right now. it give 900 shield and helps auto shield recharging. the equipment needs fixing as well. some hives I can carry 6 from basic to adv while proto I can only carry 3-4? what the? uplinks & proximity explosives are the same as the hives.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 11554	Posted - 2015.04.27 04:10:00 - [152] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: I don't care about this BS trade system it seems not even half way put together. so no way in heck I am trading. 1 of the 2 has to send the isk or item and HOPE the other holds their end of the deal. WHAT THE FREAK? who would trade like that? Welcome to New Eden where scamming is perfectly legal. Eve Online may have a more secure trade system in place, but there is nothing about that system that makes it scam proof. Scammers will figure out ways around the system even if it becomes more secure in Dust. The only difference between now and the future is that scammers need to be clever in the future. In the end, CCP will not be answering any petitions on scams unless the scam happens to involve a code from the code bazaar. Eve Online Invite https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=ed64524f-15ca-4997-ab92-eaae0af74b7f&action=buddy
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:06:00 - [153] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: jace silencerww wrote: I don't care about this BS trade system it seems not even half way put together. so no way in heck I am trading. 1 of the 2 has to send the isk or item and HOPE the other holds their end of the deal. WHAT THE FREAK? who would trade like that? Welcome to New Eden where scamming is perfectly legal. Eve Online may have a more secure trade system in place, but there is nothing about that system that makes it scam proof. Scammers will figure out ways around the system even if it becomes more secure in Dust. The only difference between now and the future is that scammers need to be clever in the future. In the end, CCP will not be answering any petitions on scams unless the scam happens to involve a code from the code bazaar. I know that why I will not be trading. why? simple in the real world contracts are made and if you break it you can be sue and/or put on the blacklist but in this game blacklists have no meaning since you can always make a new guy and having it be a trader to screw over people. again who the heck would trade in this "trust system" I mean a trader/middle man can hold his word 90% of the time and screw over 10% yet still get away with it every time with very little if any bad rep from it. again who the heck wants to trade like that? in the future if I am scam over the price of something but still got money then it was my bad haggling skills. however getting screwed by someone not holding they end of the deal is junk. why bring a trade system like this? the new players are going to get scammed badly and hurt new players so they quit. we want more and new players so DUST can continue on in the gaming world.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. RUST415 3253	Posted - 2015.04.28 11:03:00 - [154] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: jace silencerww wrote: I don't care about this BS trade system it seems not even half way put together. so no way in heck I am trading. 1 of the 2 has to send the isk or item and HOPE the other holds their end of the deal. WHAT THE FREAK? who would trade like that? Welcome to New Eden where scamming is perfectly legal. Eve Online may have a more secure trade system in place, but there is nothing about that system that makes it scam proof. Scammers will figure out ways around the system even if it becomes more secure in Dust. The only difference between now and the future is that scammers need to be clever in the future. In the end, CCP will not be answering any petitions on scams unless the scam happens to involve a code from the code bazaar. I know that why I will not be trading. why? simple in the real world contracts are made and if you break it you can be sue and/or put on the blacklist but in this game blacklists have no meaning since you can always make a new guy and having it be a trader to screw over people. again who the heck would trade in this "trust system" I mean a trader/middle man can hold his word 90% of the time and screw over 10% yet still get away with it every time with very little if any bad rep from it. again who the heck wants to trade like that? in the future if I am scam over the price of something but still got money then it was my bad haggling skills. however getting screwed by someone not holding they end of the deal is junk. why bring a trade system like this? the new players are going to get scammed badly and hurt new players so they quit. we want more and new players so DUST can continue on in the gaming world. what about my other points or at least the biggest one FIXING THE MATCH MAKING! There all most likely be third parties that will hold both items/ISK and swap, ensuring a clean trade (eg Chribba). These third parties are bound by their reputation and the prospect of making more ISK through third-partying than through a one-time scam. The risk is all part of the fun. You don't have to trade anything. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Mr.Pepe Le Pew Art.of.Death 85	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:23:00 - [155] - Quote You need to have rank 4 to give money to another person?? Is this a bug or is this intended? CEO / Art.of.Death
Nirwanda Vaughns 1633	Posted - 2015.04.28 17:19:00 - [156] - Quote So is trading broke already? i tried sending some things and i only had a list of 10-15 items, things like officer sidearms, isk bought suits and weapons ect didn't show up. seemed to be just officer light weapons and experimental gear and officer suits Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 21401	Posted - 2015.04.28 23:54:00 - [157] - Quote Mr.Pepe Le Pew wrote: You need to have rank 4 to give money to another person?? Is this a bug or is this intended? intended to counter a certain exploit or two "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Patrick57 10014	Posted - 2015.04.29 00:25:00 - [158] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Mr.Pepe Le Pew wrote: You need to have rank 4 to give money to another person?? Is this a bug or is this intended? intended to counter a certain exploit or two while you're here, Rattati, I'd appreciate some clarification on the removing of chat channels Patrick57 wrote: What do you mean by channels that "have not been used in 7 days"? As in, haven't activated voice in for 7 days? Haven't typed in for 7 days? Does this also count time inactive (a stupid question, but as a semi-active player I would like to know)? Is there a way we could "lock" a channel to keep it from getting thrown out by the game?
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 544	Posted - 2015.04.29 02:11:00 - [159] - Quote Welcome to New Eden indeed. And finally! Congrats for establishing trading in the game. There are several very simple security methods that have been employed throughout history in the real-life bartering systems. It NEVER needs to be on the faith-n-trust system. I would suggest even using the simple 1/3-method used by, err um, illegal dealers. Break your consignment into threes. Trade simply for 1/3 of the consignment at a time. First trade allows each party to CONFIRM the item is correct. Second and third transactions eventually complete the trade. If you get deceived anywhere along the way, you only lose 1/3 your consignment. And you remember the player who scammed you. No, I won't be trading with you all for quite a few months yet,GÇª But I already know exactly what I want to obtain, and I know it will be out there sitting on a few people's shelves, gathering dust bunnies (because you may not realize just how powerful the item is, when used in the right context), until I arrange to take it off you hands. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 47	Posted - 2015.04.29 18:02:00 - [160] - Quote Now make new mode or Domination squadless, and ftw. Edit; or better allow squads but feel game with random ppl The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.

jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 153	Posted - 2015.05.01 00:36:00 - [161] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: jace silencerww wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: jace silencerww wrote: I don't care about this BS trade system it seems not even half way put together. so no way in heck I am trading. 1 of the 2 has to send the isk or item and HOPE the other holds their end of the deal. WHAT THE FREAK? who would trade like that? Welcome to New Eden where scamming is perfectly legal. Eve Online may have a more secure trade system in place, but there is nothing about that system that makes it scam proof. Scammers will figure out ways around the system even if it becomes more secure in Dust. The only difference between now and the future is that scammers need to be clever in the future. In the end, CCP will not be answering any petitions on scams unless the scam happens to involve a code from the code bazaar. I know that why I will not be trading. why? simple in the real world contracts are made and if you break it you can be sue and/or put on the blacklist but in this game blacklists have no meaning since you can always make a new guy and having it be a trader to screw over people. again who the heck would trade in this "trust system" I mean a trader/middle man can hold his word 90% of the time and screw over 10% yet still get away with it every time with very little if any bad rep from it. again who the heck wants to trade like that? in the future if I am scam over the price of something but still got money then it was my bad haggling skills. however getting screwed by someone not holding they end of the deal is junk. why bring a trade system like this? the new players are going to get scammed badly and hurt new players so they quit. we want more and new players so DUST can continue on in the gaming world. what about my other points or at least the biggest one FIXING THE MATCH MAKING! There all most likely be third parties that will hold both items/ISK and swap, ensuring a clean trade (eg Chribba). These third parties are bound by their reputation and the prospect of making more ISK through third-partying than through a one-time scam. The risk is all part of the fun. You don't have to trade anything. read what I put. you could scam 10-20% of the people (ei one side of the parties and get away with it) besides WHY would you trust a third party anyways? better yet why pay another party to hold the items/isk when there is a trade fee on all trades? so again half together trade system. I WANT THE MATCH MAKING FIXED. sick of these 5-10 against 10-16 teams!
lana konda Astroya Guard Astroya Conglomerate. 1	Posted - 2015.05.01 10:22:00 - [162] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Mr.Pepe Le Pew wrote: You need to have rank 4 to give money to another person?? Is this a bug or is this intended? intended to counter a certain exploit or two So exploits can only be made by rank 4 players ?!?? This is really going to balance the game between new players and veterans... LOOOOOOOOOOL
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1494	Posted - 2015.05.02 18:23:00 - [163] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Mr.Pepe Le Pew wrote: You need to have rank 4 to give money to another person?? Is this a bug or is this intended? intended to counter a certain exploit or two Considering that the entire game is based in New Eden which itself is the very definition of exploit/scam central this seems counter intuitive. Possibly even farcical. An explanation would be nice. The issue from the other side is considering the horribly slow progression from the lower levels to the vaulted #4 the effort required is just another massive hurdle to overcome. So why do it? There are other games to play. We are actually trying to convince new players to give Dust a try. Yet a significant new feature is blocked from the new. For a very, very long time. Is there some spreadsheet or a posting that explains exactly how points are accrued? The explanation in game is odd considering that a brand new character/toon in my third slot gets my level, even if it does nothing. I would really like to know what the points are for buying and spending AUR. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3434	Posted - 2015.05.03 12:29:00 - [164] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: The issue from the other side is considering the horribly slow progression from the lower levels to the vaulted #4 the effort required is just another massive hurdle to overcome. So why do it? There are other games to play. We are actually trying to convince new players to give Dust a try. Yet a significant new feature is blocked from the new. For a very, very long time. This point is very valid indeed. I feel the rank limit is a little too high, level 2 would probably be a good spot I feel. Make new characters want to work or spend aurum to get there but dont make the goal seem unachievable. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
Quintus Brutor Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 0	Posted - 2015.05.03 14:11:00 - [165] - Quote Now excuse me for this comment but I really don't like the fact that only level 4 loyalty players and above get to trade but I can't even give people my isk of I want to buy something from them as such. I am only a level 2 player and I have been around for a while
Dylan Meisinger ROGUE RELICS 10	Posted - 2015.05.03 14:42:00 - [166] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/67114/1/Caldari-Rally-wallpaper_940x529.jpg[/img] Warlords 1.1 update is coming to TQ on April 28 with some key features like: Player Trading Vastly Improved User Experience Visual Customization with Dropsuit SKINs Improved Performance New Game Mode: Acquisition and we have full patch notes and detailed overview of all other features for you right here! Check it out, and let us know what you think :) Guess decided the aurum login bonus was a bad idea or somthing? It takes skill points to run proto , not skill. [up the punx]
Salvador SIX7 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 0	Posted - 2015.05.04 02:00:00 - [167] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/67114/1/Caldari-Rally-wallpaper_940x529.jpg[/img] Warlords 1.1 update is coming to TQ on April 28 with some key features like: Player Trading Vastly Improved User Experience Visual Customization with Dropsuit SKINs Improved Performance New Game Mode: Acquisition and we have full patch notes and detailed overview of all other features for you right here! Check it out, and let us know what you think :) im done with your crap game i demand a refund
GRIMm grin Vengeance Unbound RUST415 1	Posted - 2015.05.05 02:53:00 - [168] - Quote so any idea when full trading will be allowed? what is being considered before it happens? what is the foreseen issue?
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 351	Posted - 2015.05.05 16:40:00 - [169] - Quote Dylan Meisinger wrote: CCP Frame wrote: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/67114/1/Caldari-Rally-wallpaper_940x529.jpg[/img] Warlords 1.1 update is coming to TQ on April 28 with some key features like: Player Trading Vastly Improved User Experience Visual Customization with Dropsuit SKINs Improved Performance New Game Mode: Acquisition and we have full patch notes and detailed overview of all other features for you right here! Check it out, and let us know what you think :) Guess decided the aurum login bonus was a bad idea or somthing? From the Patch Notes This feature will roll out two weeks after the deployment of Warlords 1.1 due to server changes we have to perform in order for this to be fully functional. *I'm ScReWeD uP* New To Dust? Sign Up
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1500	Posted - 2015.05.07 00:38:00 - [170] - Quote Quintus Brutor wrote: Now excuse me for this comment but I really don't like the fact that only level 4 loyalty players and above get to trade but I can't even give people my isk of I want to buy something from them as such. I am only a level 2 player and I have been around for a while It is total BS. A bad sign, pardon the pun. If you have a spare character slot, create a CEO. Create a corp. Have your toons donate to the corp. Now the hard part. Either you need a level 4+ director to redistribute the wealth. For any good salvage items, you're skewed. Any good items the low level toons acquire are either sold for a pittance (or a pittance +15%) or just waste space in a cluttered inventory screen. The other option is to join a corp that you trust. Which is essentially impossible as they can tax at 100% arbitrarily, abuse those in the corp and it is all sanctioned activity by CCP, cause getting stabbed in the back is 'ANEB', Approved New Eden Behavior. They even insult you for disliking same; HTFU and all that. The only good news related to Dust in New Eden is the NPC corps don't tax like the EVE Online ones do. Very rude to say the least. Have a nice day, just don't expect to have it down in the dust. Until you're loyal punted to 4. I'm sorry, we don't have the SKU in stock. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.

KORAKS23 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.05.07 07:48:00 - [171] - Quote -¦-+-¦-¦-¦ -é-¦-+-¦-+ -+ -ê-¦-é-+-ï -¦-+-¦-Ç-ü-¦-+-¦ -+ -¦-¦-+-¦-+-Ç-ü-¦-+-¦ -Ç-¦-ü-ü ??
Jack Boost Zarena Family 770	Posted - 2015.05.07 14:15:00 - [172] - Quote soon (tm) Not much time left...
2Berries Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 863	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:24:00 - [173] - Quote Hotfix & no open trading? Are there problems with trading or was nerfing myofibs/buffing heavies that important? Evening Boys, Hows the water?
Reallusion GrimSleeper Need Permission to Die LLC 89	Posted - 2015.06.14 05:36:00 - [174] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: KalOfTheRathi wrote: The issue from the other side is considering the horribly slow progression from the lower levels to the vaulted #4 the effort required is just another massive hurdle to overcome. So why do it? There are other games to play. We are actually trying to convince new players to give Dust a try. Yet a significant new feature is blocked from the new. For a very, very long time. This point is very valid indeed. I feel the rank limit is a little too high, level 2 would probably be a good spot I feel. Make new characters want to work or spend aurum to get there but dont make the goal seem unachievable. Level 4 is perfect as is. If the level were lower people would be more willing to invest a little time to scam people. With it being higher, it makes people more reluctant to want to do stuff and risk repurcussion of any sort. Though I'm sure SOME will, not many are going to invest all those hours, weeks, months, whatever or real cash to make an account just to scam people and send it to their main. Reallusion's EMP Tesla Sniper Rifle


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