Is rank 4 that hard to get to?

I would actually offer that this is one place where I would like to see CCP's love for exponential cost multipliers go away. THe system should be simple, easy to track and reward player effort more.

I understand that WP thresholds offer a point, I understand victories offer 4 points. but once you hit much past rank 5 the threshold for match earnings vs. aurum earnings is wildly evident.

Earning a rank per month of hardcore play isn't an unreasonable thing, as at that pace a year and a half passes. a rank every two months of more casual, though regular play seems reasonable as well. if someone's been here for a year and a half, or two years, three?

Odds are they're in it for the long-haul, and odds are they've blown a portion of their wallet for something like boosters anyway.

I'd say they're pretty loyal.

I would actually offer that this is one place where I would like to see CCP's love for exponential cost multipliers go away. The system should be simple, easy to track and reward player effort more.

Now I'm rank 8 and 1/2, so yeah, it could be pretty hard (if not impossible) to get rank 4 in 2 weeks without any aur item.

I believe Kane Spero confirmed that getting loyalty rank 4, from 0, costs roughly $20 worth of AUR.

I personally don't think that is asking for much, but to a new player that is a high investment for a game you just downloaded two days ago.

Well, if that's the case, it may be way too high reward for buying aur and way too low for actually playing the game. I used to play like 3-4 hours day!

Well, if that's the case, it may be way too high reward for buying aur and way too low for actually playing the game. I used to play like 3-4 hours day!

Aurum has a really low per-unit value. I think leveling off the actual rank requirement and capping how much you can get from aur purchases only might help a bit.

but I'm just brainstorming right now. If I were to do matches to my next rank, it'll take over 129,000 victories to hit the next rank. that seems...

excessive.

Is rank 4 that hard to get to?

Yes. I'm only rank 2. Almooooost rank 3.

Gentlenerds of GD,

The new player trading system requires players to be loyalty rank 4 before they can trade items. CCP Rattati has stated there are some exploits that are prevented by doing this, and I believe him.

The issue is then becomes how can players who are not yet sure if they want to purchase AUR or not able to earn loyalty rank 4 before they die from old age?

I suggest that on weekends* all activities that generate loyalty experience be increased; doubled, maybe even tripled.

Perhaps we could increase the value of loyalty experience for WPs from 500 WP / 1 loyalty -> 250 WP / 1 loyalty

Do you have any other ideas?

*: Friday DT - Monday DT

How long have you been playing? Have you purchased any AUR?

Yes. I'm only rank 2. Almooooost rank 3.

Also, why not make SP factor into loyalty rank as well? Say something like 500 points for every 1 mil SP? Because I have 30 million SP yet I'm only rank 2, and my alt is somewhere around 17 million SP and only rank 1.

Using raw SP totals is problematic because of the nature of SP gains themselves.
WPs already factor in, thus adding SP would compound the gains from WP.
AUR already factors in, thus adding SP would compound the gains from AUR (if any boosters are used)
SP can be gained passively by simply creating a character and letting it sit, thus adding SP would allow ranks to be earned while not even playing the game in any manner (this is feeds into the alt farming issue directly).

Thing is though that it would still take a very long time of just passive SP to get to rank 4.

I seriously feel like SP should also be counted as well. SP per WP ratios have changed several times. I have played since Mordu's Trials, have only 30 million SP due to college, yet I can't trade because I'm only rank 2. That upsets me. A lot.

It's not that AUR is a higher reward, it is just faster.

2 AUR = 1 loyalty
1 match = 2 loyalty
1 victory = +2 loyalty
500 WPs = 1 loyalty
1 daily login = 5 loyalty

Logging in daily, actively participating in matches, and earning victories does earn you loyalty experience... but no where near as quickly as just paying $20.

Thing is though that it would still take a very long time of just passive SP to get to rank 4.

I seriously feel like SP should also be counted as well. SP per WP ratios have changed several times. I have played since Mordu's Trials, have only 30 million SP due to college, yet I can't trade because I'm only rank 2. That upsets me. A lot.

It's not that AUR is a higher reward, it is just faster.

2 AUR = 1 loyalty
1 match = 2 loyalty
1 victory = +2 loyalty
500 WPs = 1 loyalty
1 daily login = 5 loyalty

Logging in daily, actively participating in matches, and earning victories does earn you loyalty experience... but no where near as quickly as just paying $20.

Depends on how quickly you earned that $20, if you're working at wal-mart it's actually faster to just play the game

Back on topic more I do think added vectors for tracking activity would be a good thing thus enabling really active players to earn loyalty ranks faster. It allows them to become a small side goal to work on rather than this thing that sort of just "is" the way they are now.

At some level "buying" a rank will always be faster than earning one through play alone because it only takes you moments to click through a PSN transaction no matter how much you are spending.

As such I think our primary focus should not be on "what is AUR vs other stuff in earnings" but more directly tackling the baseline problem by asking "what can we do to make earning Loyalty Ranks through activity alone more accessible and rewarding"

On that note I will shamelessly solicit more feedback and input on my suggestions of an achievements system and/or adding some loyalty rank xp rewards to daily missions

On that note I will shamelessly solicit more feedback and input on my suggestions of an achievements system and/or adding some loyalty rank xp rewards to daily missions

I think our primary focus should not be on "what is AUR vs other stuff in earnings" but more directly tackling the baseline problem by asking "what can we do to make earning Loyalty Ranks through activity alone more accessible and rewarding"

On that note I will shamelessly solicit more feedback and input on my suggestions of an achievements system and/or adding some loyalty rank xp rewards to daily missions

buy loyalty rank with isk

Too easily exploited. Have one of the old guard PC folks send you 500mil ISK, then convert it into LR XP.